Packer Receivers in 2024

[gopkrs]

So...what has happened to Jayden Reed?

Before the bye week he was averaging:
5 targets, 4 receptions, 69 yards, and had 3 rec TD and a rush TD.

Since coming back from the bye?
3 targets, 2 receptions, 18 yards, but to be fair still 3 rec TD.

JMO but I'm not worried about that at all. We have a well rounded receiving corps. The decision on who to throw the ball too is determined by Love while he is usually under quite a bit of pressure. For me, it doesn't have to happen every game for Reed. Glad, really, to see that it's not like the old Davante days.

 

[milani]

So...what has happened to Jayden Reed?

Before the bye week he was averaging:
5 targets, 4 receptions, 69 yards, and had 3 rec TD and a rush TD.

Since coming back from the bye?
3 targets, 2 receptions, 18 yards, but to be fair still 3 rec TD.

With Doubs out he should be in the thick of it. But I am sure he will be again. Watson seems to have had his number called more.

 

[El Guapo]

I really hope that LaFleur is holding back for the playoffs, but really believe that he is over-thinking the offense. He needs to stay true to what we are good at, and not try to change things based on what the defense is doing. Run the ball and get the ball to your best WR - which right now is Reed. LaFleur admitted in his press conference that he didn't run the ball in the first quarter because Detroit was baiting us to throw the ball. My advice - don't fall for their traps. Who cares if they are defending the run. They were doing it with backups. Let your starting OL dictate the game by going after them.

 

[PackerDNA]

Don't know if this has been posted before but just read that we lead the lead in drops and drops percentage, with three of our guys in the top ten.

 

[tynimiller]

Don't know if this has been posted before but just read that we lead the lead in drops and drops percentage, with three of our guys in the top ten.

In WR only. If league wide 3 in top 20...regardless NOT how you want to rank so high. One thing that is concerning is many of the leaders have a lot more targets.

For those curious:

Wicks - 8 / 56 targets
Reed - 7 / 59
Doubs - 6 / 53


For those wondering some very good WRs are high on this:

Amari Cooper leads with 11 / 80
Nabers - 9 / 126
CeeDee Lamb - 7 / 131
Waddle - 7 /72
Brian Thomas Jr - 7 / 85
Courtland Sutton - 6 / 104
Darnell Mooney - 6 / 94
Tank Dell - 6 / 72
Xavier Legette - 6 / 67

 

[Half Empty]

In WR only. If league wide 3 in top 20...regardless NOT how you want to rank so high. One thing that is concerning is many of the leaders have a lot more targets.

For those curious:

Wicks - 8 / 56 targets 14.3%
Reed - 7 / 59 11.9%
Doubs - 6 / 53 11.3%


For those wondering some very good WRs are high on this:

Amari Cooper leads with 11 / 80 13.8%
Nabers - 9 / 126 7.1%
CeeDee Lamb - 7 / 131 5.3%
Waddle - 7 /72 9.7%
Brian Thomas Jr - 7 / 85 8.2%
Courtland Sutton - 6 / 104 5.8%
Darnell Mooney - 6 / 94 6.4%
Tank Dell - 6 / 72 8.3%
Xavier Legette - 6 / 67 9.0%

 

[milani]

I really hope that LaFleur is holding back for the playoffs, but really believe that he is over-thinking the offense. He needs to stay true to what we are good at, and not try to change things based on what the defense is doing. Run the ball and get the ball to your best WR - which right now is Reed. LaFleur admitted in his press conference that he didn't run the ball in the first quarter because Detroit was baiting us to throw the ball. My advice - don't fall for their traps. Who cares if they are defending the run. They were doing it with backups. Let your starting OL dictate the game by going after them.

Detroit still held us under 100 yards on the ground. They played the run well even with some back ups unlike most of our 2024 opponents. When teams stack the box at some point you have to try and burn them. And with the powerful Detroit offense you cannot expect to win by punting and playing defense. We put up 31. They gave us plenty of chances to stop them on 4th down. We just did not do it.

 

[OldSchool101]

Detroit still held us under 100 yards on the ground. They played the run well even with some back ups unlike most of our 2024 opponents. When teams stack the box at some point you have to try and burn them. And with the powerful Detroit offense you cannot expect to win by punting and playing defense. We put up 31. They gave us plenty of chances to stop them on 4th down. We just did not do it.

Yeah. Plus we’re playing a #1 rated Offense. When you miss a 4th down stop or give them ANY help whatsoever. (Like Quay unsportsmanlike) that type Offense and assertive style play calling will embellish D mistakes. 1-2 less penalties and 1-2 more D stops on 3rd or 4th down and the tide sways.

 

[El Guapo]

They played the run well even with some back ups unlike most of our 2024 opponents. When teams stack the box at some point you have to try and burn them.

That's not how the game unfolded though. Our first drive was five passing attempts and one run, then a punt. Our second drive was two passing attempts and one 5 yard run, then a punt. Our third drive was a 7 yard run by Jacobs followed by the Watson fumble.

We didn't ever try to run the ball early on, and when we did, we had success. It is a FACT that LaFleur (he admitted to it) let Detroit dictate how he called plays and it burned us. On the fourth drive where we scored the touchdown, LaFleur called seven straight rushing plays and moved 45 yards. Overall on that drive it was 10 rushing plays and 4 pass plays. We scored.

All of the evidence points to the reality that LaFleur played scared. When he went back to our bread and butter, we scored. Generally on all of our drives, when we started on first down with a run we eventually scored. When we started with a pass on first down, we generally had to punt.

Good teams dictate to their opponents. We need to make them stop us, not try to take what they offer.

 

[games]

That's not how the game unfolded though. Our first drive was five passing attempts and one run, then a punt. Our second drive was two passing attempts and one 5 yard run, then a punt. Our third drive was a 7 yard run by Jacobs followed by the Watson fumble.

We didn't ever try to run the ball early on, and when we did, we had success. It is a FACT that LaFleur (he admitted to it) let Detroit dictate how he called plays and it burned us. On the fourth drive where we scored the touchdown, LaFleur called seven straight rushing plays and moved 45 yards. Overall on that drive it was 10 rushing plays and 4 pass plays. We scored.

All of the evidence points to the reality that LaFleur played scared. When he went back to our bread and butter, we scored. Generally on all of our drives, when we started on first down with a run we eventually scored. When we started with a pass on first down, we generally had to punt.

Good teams dictate to their opponents. We need to make them stop us, not try to take what they offer.

LaFleur, like McCarthy before him, gets so darn pass happy. I get it in Q4 down 10+. But, at no time before that. Gotta let your RBs (and Reed) cook.

 

[OldSchool101]

We didn't ever try to run the ball early on, and when we did, we had success. It is a FACT that LaFleur (he admitted to it) let Detroit dictate how he called plays and it burned us. On the fourth drive where we scored the touchdown, LaFleur called seven straight rushing plays and moved 45 yards. Overall on that drive it was 10 rushing plays and 4 pass plays. We scored.

I’ve seen other teams very successfully overcome an over aggressive pass rush. Actually Favre was pretty good at it. We’d either hit Driver on a quick 5 yard slant that ends in a 6-7 yard gain (and I’m talking 1.3 sec)
Or Put that soft touch arc over the top of the 5-6 guys Rushing. You have the TE cover the DE and pull a Guard to block and give a fake “long ball” look right and then dump the screen to Jacobs or Wilson in space.

Instead? We either run it up the A gap into 6 guys rushing abuse our RB for -1 or we look for the 15 yard route to develop as our QB gets assaulted. If a an early Sack happens? It’s 90% a Punt. Why give them any momentum?

Opposing Defenses rarely go full throttle for long if you get a couple 1st downs. Quit the deep passing stuff early on. Other Defenses WILL go full throttle if we run plays that feed into their success. A -2 run, a Sack etc.

We should NEVER run a play that results in a Sack on the very first play of the game. That’s play is a trend setter for the entire game. Take 0 before you run a -negative play. That’s 100% on our Playcaller. That ball comes out immediately in that 1st possession and I’m talking 1 sec flat

 

[shockerx]

Agree, also like for the first play is Love under center with fake to handoff up the middle, let Love use is feet and bootleg out to leaking TE or a 5 yard run. It gets Love jitterbugs out of the way and its a safe run throw option.

 

[OldSchool101]

Agree, also like for the first play is Love under center with fake to handoff up the middle, let Love use is feet and bootleg out to leaking TE or a 5 yard run. It gets Love jitterbugs out of the way and its a safe run throw option.

That’s exactly the play I’ve been thinking. We used to run those with success and it’s like it disappeared from the playbook. Maybe just an oversight due to protecting his injury but he’s obviously past that now.

The other advantage is it gets us outside the pocket. Meaning it avoids grounding flags, tipped passes, INT fumble anything <negative> etc.
Very very worst case we’re back to that 0. If the play blows up just throw it incomplete out of bounds or at someone’s feet or their HC feet. Make them aware who controls who play #1. If I can get out of bounds with a +2 yard play take it and if not throw it at their Head Coaches feet. I’m being serious. I said no negative yardage…
I didn’t say play nice. Make him move

 

[shockerx]

That’s exactly the play I’ve been thinking. We used to run those with success and it’s like it disappeared from the playbook. Maybe just an oversight due to protecting his injury but he’s obviously past that now.

The other advantage is it gets us outside the pocket. Meaning it avoids grounding flags, tipped passes, INT fumble anything <negative> etc.
Very very worst case we’re back to that 0. If the play blows up just throw it incomplete out of bounds or at someone’s feet or their HC feet. Make them aware who controls who play #1. If I can get out of bounds with a +2 yard play take it and if not throw it at their Head Coaches feet. I’m being serious. I said no negative yardage…
I didn’t say play nice. Make him move control him.

Very well said Oldschool...as we get later into the year I want Love to use his feet for easy yard chain movers, AKA Mahomes...those are mini dagers. wish Love did vs SF on that last throw across his body on first down play.

 

[OldSchool101]

Very well said Oldschool...as we get later into the year I want Love to use his feet for easy yard chain movers, AKA Mahomes...those are mini dagers. wish Love did vs SF on that last throw across his body on first down play.

Oh my gosh. I think he picks up +3 yards and gets a clock stop. That really displayed for me his inexperience. Love played so good down the stretch that I forgot how he’s still pretty young as far as raw experience.

 

[PackerDNA]

Dan Graziano at ESPN made a point that including playoffs Love has made 31 starts. Mac Jones has made 46. He named others too but you get the point

Oh my gosh. I think he picks up +3 yards and gets a clock stop. That really displayed for me his inexperience. Love played so good down the stretch that I forgot how he’s still pretty young as far as raw experience.

 

[OldSchool101]

Dan Graziano at ESPN made a point that including playoffs Love has made 31 starts. Mac Jones has made 46. He named others too but you get the point

Exactly.
Although that’s misinformation by Graziano. To be accurate, Love was playing in just his 20th start when he threw that INT at 49ers in Playoffs.

Love threw his very last INT in his 27th start (including Playoffs)

2021 1 (KC)
2022 0 Starts
2023 17 Starts
Postseason 2 Starts

2024 11 Starts

So it’s even harder to believe our QB has essentially 1.5 seasons of actual quality starting time. That’s nothing in this league. I think we forget (I do also) that Love is around 10% into a full career as a Starter

J Love = 61-27 (TD-INT) 1st 31 Starts
Rodgers = 57-20 (TD-INT) “ “ “ “

I’m using Rodgers for obvious reasoning. He’s the epitome of protecting the football for QB’s #1 best ever.

 

[Schultz]

Exactly.
Although that’s misinformation by Graziano. To be accurate, Love was playing in just his 20th start when he threw that INT at 49ers in Playoffs.

Love threw his very last INT in his 27th start (including Playoffs)

2021 1 (KC)
2022 0 Starts
2023 17 Starts
Postseason 2 Starts

2024 11 Starts

So it’s even harder to believe our QB has essentially 1.5 seasons of actual quality starting time. That’s nothing in this league. I think we forget (I do also) that Love is around 10% into a full career as a Starter

J Love = 61-27 (TD-INT) 1st 31 Starts
Rodgers = 57-20 (TD-INT) “ “ “ “

I’m using Rodgers for obvious reasoning. He’s the epitome of protecting the football for QB’s #1 best ever.

If you add up those starts it equals 31. That makes me think he said it after the last Packer game.

 

[OldSchool101]

If you add up those starts it equals 31. That makes me think he said it after the last Packer game.

It’s just eye opening though isn’t it. Seems like Love has been here for a few years (technically I guess he has) but he’s barely past the Rookie stage as far as actual playing time.

 

[OldSchool101]

I really think we’re 1 more upper echelon WR or getting Musgrave back (if he pops closer to potential) from being very dynamic in the Passing game. Not sure if Wicks can become that or not but call it a Wicks + version that has to be accounted for at all times, but still puts up solid 1,000
and 8-10 TD’s
I’m not expecting Musgrave to equal young TE, Jimmy Graham, but I see the physical attributes to become formidable in his own right. Even if Luke gets going into that 800-1000 level Receiving threat
OR
a regular 600-800 yard producer and a Redzone threat in that 8+ TD range. We’d be really hard to stop by next year with Kraft/Musgrave
Jacobs/Lloyd
Reed,Watson,Doubs, “X+???”

My gut tells me we are still missing that WR who steps up from a WR3-5 and suddenly is making noise as if flirting for the WR1-2 limelight. That or we just get bold and add 1 more upper echelon WR. I’m not even greedy just a Tee Higgins type performer that if you ignore will start stacking 1000 yard seasons.