Is it time?

[tynimiller]

Exactly on Cook, I bet IMO he regretted not taking it once he realized no better offer elsewhere was coming and he wasn't going to have Aaron as his QB any longer.

Correct, now if resigning of Cobb news breaks I will admit that would make me think....or Tonyan.

A Big Dog resigning given what he said about playing again here would be about the staff and playing for MLF would not make me think anything Rodgers related.

 

[gopkrs]

It doesn't make sense to solely look at Rodgers' stats without comparing it to other QBs though.

Except it was a stat about Mahommes. In general, statistics w/o context are often misleading.

 

[tynimiller]

Except it was a stat about Mahommes. In general, statistics w/o context are often misleading.

At least 75% of the time

 

[OldSchool101]

At least 75% of the time

Statistics are like experiments. They often do not represent factual data unless a proper sample size is used. With a proper sized analysis they are still far better than 95% of the opinions I hear

 

[Magooch]

I feel like I'm missing something here. You're saying a team would want a commitment from Rodgers for two years. He's under contract for that long, so I don't believe it would be rental. Are you saying they would want a verbal that he is not going to retire after one season with a new team?

Yes, more or less. Given we are now at two years in a row of "will he, won't he," I suspect both GB and/or any prospective trade partner will be a bit leery of facing the same prospect for a 3rd year in a row, following next season (should he return, of course).

Naturally one would expect that any team considering a trade for Rodgers would adjust their (potential) offers accordingly. I'd think that a team who gets Rodgers under contract for two years but with little-to-no confidence he'll necessarily play beyond 23/24 wouldn't want to part with nearly as much as one who was confident he'd be playing for at least two years. I know I wouldn't!

 

[Deleted member 6794]

So I will say Gute's interview, the full length, 100% does leave me with the belief at a minimum that for whatever reason (we could speculate all kinds of things but doesn't matter) that Gute sees the situation as a retiring Rodgers or a trading Rodgers.

There's one issue with that though. Rodgers could veto a trade by threatening to retire which might force the Packers to keep him. As mentioned previously it was stupid to structure his contract that way.

Then of course the trouble is that a two year commitment from Rodgers probably means needing to move Love as I don't see us carrying the financial hit of both of them over two years.

Most importantly, I would fully expect Love asking to be traded if the Packers and Rodgers commit to another two seasons.

The Bucs had young proven studs at every level. Better defense at every level, better playmakers all over from RB, TE when Gronk came back, and 3 stud WR's plus depth. Offensive line was tremendous. and a proven coach.

Jets have some pieces, and they're good, I don't think they're nearly as ready as the Bucs were when Brady joined them. If I was a Jets manager, I'd want 2 years at least to realize the goal. I don't think they're as set up to do it now as others.

The Bucs defense was coming off a season in which they finished 29th in points allowed. While some of that can be blamed on Winston throwing too many interceptions and pick 6s that unit wasn't close to being as good as the one the Jets featured last year. They finished fourth in points allowed while featuring an offense that struggled for most of the season with a lack of a talented quarterback being the main reason for it.

In my opinion the Jets seem to be the perfect place for Rodgers to get another realistic shot at a Super Bowl.

I feel like I'm missing something here. You're saying a team would want a commitment from Rodgers for two years. He's under contract for that long, so I don't believe it would be rental. Are you saying they would want a verbal that he is not going to retire after one season with a new team?

Either the Packers or a team acquiring Rodgers would need him to allow them to spread out the guaranteed money over at least two seasons to have him commit to playing through 2024 at least. Otherwise there's no way to have him commit to playing another two years at this point.

If Rodgers chooses to remain in GB, he will need a tight end who (a) can catch, (b) gain a yard separation and (c) keep us away from the all too often 3 and out.

The offense had many issues last season but three-and-outs weren't any of them. Actually, they had the lowest percentage at 14.1% in the entire league.

Except it was a stat about Mahommes. In general, statistics w/o context are often misleading.

It doesn't matter. It makes sense to compare how Mahomes and Rodgers did against the 2020 Bucs defense.

 

[Pkrjones]

There's one issue with that though. Rodgers could veto a trade by threatening to retire which might force the Packers to keep him. As mentioned previously it was stupid to structure his contract that way.

While I agree that the contract structure (& the entire extension) was foolish on Gute's part I disagree with the 1st part. AR can't "force" GB to keep him with a retirement threat... either he gets traded OR he retires, he can't "force" the Packers to eat his entire salary by hanging around. If AR chooses to play games it would alter the trade compensation to only allow future-year picks (which become nothing if he actually retires before playing for the other team) but that would be the extent of retirement threats (in my opinion).

 

[Sunshinepacker]

While I agree that the contract structure (& the entire extension) was foolish on Gute's part I disagree with the 1st part. AR can't "force" GB to keep him with a retirement threat... either he gets traded OR he retires, he can't "force" the Packers to eat his entire salary by hanging around. If AR chooses to play games it would alter the trade compensation to only allow future-year picks (which become nothing if he actually retires before playing for the other team) but that would be the extent of retirement threats (in my opinion).

There is not a single team that is going to trade, even hypothetical picks, for a player that says he WON'T play. No team wants to plan around getting a starting QB and then ALSO have to play for what happens if that QB doesn't play. Teams aren't going to say, "well, we only traded a potential second round pick so now we STILL have to find a guaranteed starter at QB in case the guy we traded for doesn't want to play." That would be one of the worst GM'ing moves of all time.

 

[gopkrs]

There's one issue with that though. Rodgers could veto a trade by threatening to retire which might force the Packers to keep him. As mentioned previously it was stupid to structure his contract that way.

Yes, Rodgers could play mind games and force the Jets or whoever to re-think if they really want him. But I think if Aaron wants to play; that's what he'll do. Traded or not. But I believe we have to go with Love this next season and if that is clear to Aaron whether he is in Green Bay or not; And if we trade him to a contender; then I believe the deal will get done. Gute needs to be crystal clear w/o being antagonistic. If ARod is in Green Bay; he is the backup. imho

 

[tynimiller]

Yes, Rodgers could play mind games and force the Jets or whoever to re-think if they really want him. But I think if Aaron wants to play; that's what he'll do. Traded or not. But I believe we have to go with Love this next season and if that is clear to Aaron whether he is in Green Bay or not; And if we trade him to a contender; then I believe the deal will get done. Gute needs to be crystal clear w/o being antagonistic. If ARod is in Green Bay; he is the backup. imho

Arod is not going to be QB2 ANYWHERE. Won't happen. He would shred his contract and retire before he'd live that life.

 

[Mondio]

Yes, Rodgers could play mind games and force the Jets or whoever to re-think if they really want him. But I think if Aaron wants to play; that's what he'll do. Traded or not. But I believe we have to go with Love this next season and if that is clear to Aaron whether he is in Green Bay or not; And if we trade him to a contender; then I believe the deal will get done. Gute needs to be crystal clear w/o being antagonistic. If ARod is in Green Bay; he is the backup. imho

#1, I don't think either of the two men involved, Gute or Aaron are going to do that to the player, or the team so it's really a non-issue

and #2, there isn't a GM in the league that will make Rodgers their #2.

 

[Magooch]

There is not a single team that is going to trade, even hypothetical picks, for a player that says he WON'T play. No team wants to plan around getting a starting QB and then ALSO have to play for what happens if that QB doesn't play. Teams aren't going to say, "well, we only traded a potential second round pick so now we STILL have to find a guaranteed starter at QB in case the guy we traded for doesn't want to play." That would be one of the worst GM'ing moves of all time.

This. Rodgers effectively has that no-trade power even if not formally written as such. Even IF a conditional deal was agreed that would result in zero compensation paid if Rodgers doesn't play...no team would spend their entire offseason planning around Rodgers as their starting QB knowing that he may very well simply choose to not play. You'd basically have thrown away an entire year if you did that, even if it didn't cost you any draft capital to do so. Not happening IMO.

And as we know Rodgers' dead cap is something like 100m if we were to try and cut him, so if he says he's not retiring and doesn't want to be traded anywhere, our hands are basically tied. Some have suggested that Gute and Co could just gut our roster and tell Rodgers he's QB2 to try and force him out...while I'm sure that's a fun fantasy for many of the Rodgers-Out crowd to dream about I don't think it's remotely realistic.

I've said it before - I think Rodgers and the Packers FO really went to some great lengths to patch up the relationship there and I don't think either party wants to turn around and immediately burn those bridges. Maybe it's just more Rodgers-mind games but his recent comments on the matter make it seem pretty clear that if GB doesn't want him to return he will accept that without causing trouble. If the Packers FO tell Rodgers they're ready to move on (or if nothing else - they inform Aaron that they are not going to be bringing back some of his guys and are starting the transition to the next 'era') I don't think he plays any games to try and force a return to GB. And if Aaron tells the FO he's ready to move on, they're not gonna force him to stay. Under the right circumstances I think both parties would be open to him returning for another season but I also don't think either side is going to create a fuss if it's time to separate.

 

[gopkrs]

Maybe it's just more Rodgers-mind games but his recent comments on the matter make it seem pretty clear that if GB doesn't want him to return he will accept that without causing trouble.

Why this hasn't happened is beyond me. Maybe it has. This should not be ARod's decision imo. Gute should already have told ARod the best case scenario for Gute. Maybe he has. I can see ARod waffling but Gute should not. Tell Aaron the way it is and expect a decision. Obviously Arod would need to be in talks with the OTHER team if that is the way it is going. Procrastinating on that is bad business imo. I love it that Aaron has been and likes being a Green Bay Packer. But it's a decision for what is best for the franchise now. And really, Aaron does a lot of detrimental things for the coach and the receivers

 

[tynimiller]

It's because IMO the decision he has to have made with Gute is not if he is coming back to GB it's if he is retiring or wants to dicsuss trade locations.

 

[Mondio]

Why this hasn't happened is beyond me. Maybe it has. This should not be ARod's decision imo. Gute should already have told ARod the best case scenario for Gute. Maybe he has. I can see ARod waffling but Gute should not. Tell Aaron the way it is and expect a decision. Obviously Arod would need to be in talks with the OTHER team if that is the way it is going. Procrastinating on that is bad business imo. I love it that Aaron has been and likes being a Green Bay Packer. But it's a decision for what is best for the franchise now. And really, Aaron does a lot of detrimental things for the coach and the receivers

It's not just Aaron's decision. It is a two way street. Both men have a bit more respect for each other, the team and the league to act that way I think. Rodgers isn't some 3rd rate QB you just toss aside and move on from.

and the reason Gute hasn't just made the decision is likely because there are some circumstances that will make it the best decision to keep him and others that will make it so trading is a possibility and the best decision and in both scenarios your QB does need to be on board. Telling him how it is isn't going to get it done.

 

[gopkrs]

It's not just Aaron's decision. It is a two way street. Both men have a bit more respect for each other, the team and the league to act that way I think.

Don't understand how you misunderstand me. I said it is mainly Gute's decision (although cutting Arod is not an option). But Arod has to be willing to talk to the other team in a trade. You and your respect thing. Of course everyone will be respectful and I certainly did not say anything that could be construed as disrespectful. Maybe it is in your mind. You seem kind of sensitive about that.

 

[Mondio]

first, I think you and everyone else needs to come to the realization that when I'm disagreeing, I'm simply disagreeing. I'm not sensitive, I'm not butthurt, I'm not upset, my ******* are not wadded, or twisted, most days I don't even wear any. I simply have a different take on it. and yes, respect. and I generally am until I determine someone isn't worth of it anymore.

So now that that is out of the way, Someone said, "Maybe it's just more Rodgers-mind games but his recent comments on the matter make it seem pretty clear that if GB doesn't want him to return he will accept that without causing trouble."

to which you responded, "Why this hasn't happened is beyond me. Maybe it has. This should not be ARod's decision imo. Gute should already have told ARod the best case scenario for Gute."

I took that to mean, Gute should already have told Aaron GB doesn't want him to return.

Petty much everything you wrote after that basically said, GB is moving on from Rodgers and he can accept it, or not.

and I disagree with that. I'm not offended you don't agree with me, can we leave that crap out please?

 

[OldSchool101]

The only way I see Aaron staying from a team perspective is if he 100% knows this is his last year and then he’s agreeable to a trade next offseason.
Also one where Jordan is agreeable to sitting 1 more season and becoming our starter in 2024 on that 5th year option.

It gives us that one last shot Or possibly gives us some draft equity in a trade scenario to propel Love going forward.

 

[AKCheese]

Love is the guy with very little voice and that’s fine. If Rodgers plays this year in Green Bay he could well stick around for next year as well if things are looking up. After that the best situation for Love would be Green Bay.
I don’t see Rodgers staying or Green Bay keeping him, anticipating trading him NEXT year.

 

[tynimiller]

If I'm Seattle and Pete Carroll I am quietly hoping Rodgers wants back in GB...and GB is forced to unload Love to avoid just a messy messy situation. I think he fits there very well.

 

[rmontro]

$50.3M at QB last season shouldn’t equate to 17pts/GM for a half season.

Offensive performance over time is cyclical though. And last season was likely at or toward the bottom of a cycle, what with losing Adams and some new talent learning on the job. The question is whether or not some serious improvement in the near future is likely.

I expected our running game to be better though.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

While I agree that the contract structure (& the entire extension) was foolish on Gute's part I disagree with the 1st part. AR can't "force" GB to keep him with a retirement threat... either he gets traded OR he retires, he can't "force" the Packers to eat his entire salary by hanging around.

Actually Rodgers can do just that as long as the Packers don't find another team agreeing to trade conditional picks with his contract counting $16 million against their cap despite him being clear about not wanting to play for that team. I don't see any reason why another team would help the Packers out by doing that.

And if we trade him to a contender; then I believe the deal will get done. Gute needs to be crystal clear w/o being antagonistic. If ARod is in Green Bay; he is the backup. imho

Which team is a contender in need of a quarterback aside of the Jets in your opinion? Rodgers won't be the backup while earning $60 million next season.

Arod is not going to be QB2 ANYWHERE. Won't happen. He would shred his contract and retire before he'd live that life.

I'm not sure about Rodgers retiring in that scenario but there's no general manager that would pay him $60 million to sit on the bench.

This. Rodgers effectively has that no-trade power even if not formally written as such. Even IF a conditional deal was agreed that would result in zero compensation paid if Rodgers doesn't play...no team would spend their entire offseason planning around Rodgers as their starting QB knowing that he may very well simply choose to not play. You'd basically have thrown away an entire year if you did that, even if it didn't cost you any draft capital to do so. Not happening IMO.

In addition Rodgers would count $16 million against their cap as long as he doesn't actually file his retirement papers. Not going to happen.

And really, Aaron does a lot of detrimental things for the coach and the receivers

I don't consider that to be true at all.

It's because IMO the decision he has to have made with Gute is not if he is coming back to GB it's if he is retiring or wants to dicsuss trade locations.

Once again, Gutekunst will mostly likely not be able to do anything if Rodgers wants to force him on the Packers for next season.

 

[gopkrs]

Which team is a contender in need of a quarterback aside of the Jets in your opinion? Rodgers won't be the backup while earning $60 million next season.

I don't know what other GMs are thinking about how good they believe their team to be. As far as the $60KK; I just don't think money considerations should be put above what is best for the team. Mistakes are made in draft picks and in giving out salaries. You don't in my opinion play someone if it is better for the team to play somebody else. PROBABLY we have a better record with Rodgers but now is the time to find out things about Love imho which I think is important for the franchise to know.

 

[tynimiller]

Once again, Gutekunst will mostly likely not be able to do anything if Rodgers wants to force him on the Packers for next season.

Stop, Gute absolutely could play hardball right back - it would be tough but they could afford both and tell him Love is starting.

Gute will never do that publically, just as I don’t think Rodgers will sling mud at Gute publically any longer either.

Gute and Rodgers both could absolutely make this incredibly disruptive and implosive if they wanted to.

 

[Jayzee1981]

If I'm Seattle and Pete Carroll I am quietly hoping Rodgers wants back in GB...and GB is forced to unload Love to avoid just a messy messy situation. I think he fits there very well.

For what Gute gave up to get Love and all the backlash that came with it, his ego won’t let him go. Love is his boy. Ala Ron Wolf/Favre, TT/ Rodgers. It’s Love or bust IMO