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The Packers shouldn't be interested in a 32-year old wide receiver. In that case it would have been better to hold on to Cobb.
 

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The Packers shouldn't be interested in a 32-year old wide receiver. In that case it would have been better to hold on to Cobb.

You could make the case against this because Sanders is a better receiver than Cobb, and because Cobb is perpetually banged up and rendered less effective as a result.

In keeping with his pattern, Cobb had a great showing for the Cowboys in week one and then some sort of injury was immediately reported and he has been somewhat less effective since then.
 

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You could make the case against this because Sanders is a better receiver than Cobb, and because Cobb is perpetually banged up and rendered less effective as a result.

In keeping with his pattern, Cobb had a great showing for the Cowboys in week one and then some sort of injury was immediately reported and he has been somewhat less effective since then.
I only watched bits and pieces of the game last night, but I did see Cobb drop a short pass across the middle that would have been a first down. It was little behind him, but he had both hands in it and simply did not catch it.
 

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I only watched bits and pieces of the game last night, but I did see Cobb drop a short pass across the middle that would have been a first down. It was little behind him, but he had both hands in it and simply did not catch it.
It was a 3rd and short play, should have had it. He did that catch at the end to give them a chance at a hail mary. Not sure what he did the rest of the night
 

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The Packers shouldn't be interested in a 32-year old wide receiver. In that case it would have been better to hold on to Cobb.

But Manny is better than Cobb? And who cares if he's 32? He's good, and still excelling athletically even after tearing his Achilles, AND coming back earlier than expected. That's freaky.
 

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The Packers shouldn't be interested in a 32-year old wide receiver. In that case it would have been better to hold on to Cobb.

But Manny is better than Cobb? And who cares if he's 32? He's good, and still excelling athletically even after tearing his Achilles, AND coming back earlier than expected. That's freaky.
 

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Trade for Sanders or Corey Davis. Or just put a healthy Kumerow out there... Assuming his shoulder is healed up.
 

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Packers seem content on fielding a bunch of undrafted WRs and tightends who have very little impact in the passing game. All while expecting Rodgers to be Superman.
 

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As much as I've pissed and moaned the past 4 months about the Packers need for an ILB and at least one more veteran WR, I'm not so sure I would want to see them start acquiring older "one year rentals"just to fill those needs for 2019, especially if draft picks are involved. Sanders is a good WR, but is in the final year of his contract, will be 33 in March and his stats are trending downward.

I like the way this team has begun the season at 3-1, but realistically, they could very easily be 1-3. The Defense has made strides, but is still a few players short (ILB and DL). The offense needs weapons at WR and TE and by next year possibly a RT. All that said, I think they have to make moves this season with a careful eye on the future. This doesn't mean the season is lost, but I just don't think they are good enough, even if they added 2 quality starters, to make a run at the SB. Sure, if they can pick up a quality player of need now at a good price, that has a long term future with the team, than go for it. Otherwise, I would rather see them keep the bullets in the chamber and not just take wild shots at trying to fix this season and possibly mortgage the future in the process.
 

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As much as I've pissed and moaned the past 4 months about the Packers need for an ILB and at least one more veteran WR, I'm not so sure I would want to see them start acquiring older "one year rentals"just to fill those needs for 2019, especially if draft picks are involved. Sanders is a good WR, but is in the final year of his contract, will be 33 in March and his stats are trending downward.

I like the way this team has begun the season at 3-1, but realistically, they could very easily be 1-3. The Defense has made strides, but is still a few players short (ILB and DL). The offense needs weapons at WR and TE and by next year possibly a RT. All that said, I think they have to make moves this season with a careful eye on the future. This doesn't mean the season is lost, but I just don't think they are good enough, even if they added 2 quality starters, to make a run at the SB. Sure, if they can pick up a quality player of need now at a good price, that has a long term future with the team, than go for it. Otherwise, I would rather see them keep the bullets in the chamber and not just take wild shots at trying to fix this season and possibly mortgage the future in the process.

We'd expect his numbers to be trending downward though, have you seen the QB's he's playing with? Sanders has had to deal with some horrible QB play prior to the acquisition of Flacco and even then, Flacco is not the same player he was.
 

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We'd expect his numbers to be trending downward though, have you seen the QB's he's playing with? Sanders has had to deal with some horrible QB play prior to the acquisition of Flacco and even then, Flacco is not the same player he was.

Good point, but still would be a "no" for me. We have too many holes to fill, to start trying to fill them with one year rentals of older vets, that will cost us not just future cap money, but draft picks. Find me a 20 something WR with a bright future and I would be more excited.
 
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Good point, but still would be a "no" for me. We have too many holes to fill, to start trying to fill them with one year older vets, that will cost us not just future cap money, but draft picks. Find me a 20 something WR with a bright future and I would be more excited.

I think we let that ship sail by this year with our selection of Savage. We opted for safety help rather than to bolster our WR corps (Campbell, Deebo, Brown... they would look REAL nice in this offense right about now).
 

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I think we let that ship sail by this year with our selection of Savage. We opted for safety help rather than to bolster our WR corps (Campbell, Deebo, Brown... they would look REAL nice in this offense right about now).

You have only so many draft picks and so much money for free agency each off season. So far it would be hard to argue that this might have been one of Gutes most successful off seasons, with the draft grade still pending. Hate to bring TT up, but all of the failed draft picks that he had trying to fix the secondary finally caught up to us. Gute didn't have much choice but to spend a lot of resources in the last 2 years to fix a bad secondary.

So yes, it would have been nice to use a high pick on a WR, but there were probably more pressing needs and better perceived values when our selections came around. I am not so sure that had we used a top pick on a WR, he would be making much of a difference right now, but a potential investment for 2020 and beyond.

Finally, I am not so sure that the Packers perceived WR as a high need. They had a couple of Rookies that showed some signs of being good last year and sort of a hopeful starter in Allison. I haven't given up on the WR's, but if history repeats itself for the Packers, I think by year end, WR will be a #1 need in the off season. If it is, I hope to see a quality one signed in Free Agency, which I think will have a greater impact in 2020.
 

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If the Packers feel that another weapon could help them make a push for or in the playoffs, and said weapon won't cost more than, say, a 5th round pick, I have no issue with that move.

Yes, Sanders is old. And yes, he would be a rental. But that's also why he'd be cheap, in theory. He wouldn't be part of the future, but he also would not cost the Packers their future.
 

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If the Packers feel that another weapon could help them make a push for or in the playoffs, and said weapon won't cost more than, say, a 5th round pick, I have no issue with that move.

Yes, Sanders is old. And yes, he would be a rental. But that's also why he'd be cheap, in theory. He wouldn't be part of the future, but he also would not cost the Packers their future.

With a base salary of $10,250,000, he would currently cost $7.687 M, that isn't cheap or something to sneeze at.

I mean I get it, I am one who has been b*tching about the WR group for months. However, 1/4 of the way into the 2019 season, that has uncovered the fact that the Packers have more weaknesses than just WR, I wouldn't want to see the money or picks spent on a 3/4 year rental that might end up taking a bunch of games just to get in sync with Rodgers and the offense.
 

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Packers seem content on fielding a bunch of undrafted WRs and tightends who have very little impact in the passing game. All while expecting Rodgers to be Superman.

You hit the nail on the head rodell.

In the entire Favre/Rodgers era the Packers have used just ONE 1st round draft pick on a WR, Javon Walker (if my recollection is right, please correct me if I'm wrong).

TE Bubba Franks I suppose can be mentioned as a 1st round pick to be thorough, if anyone cares. (S. Sharpe was drafted in the 80's years before Favre got here, so, I don't want to hear about him.)

Sure, they got good value on 2nd rounders like Jennings/Nelson/Adams. Nevertheless, they let guys like Randy Moss slip through their fingers and it cost us at least two more championships for Favre alone.

In hindsight I can't help but think they should have traded that #12 pick (that was used on Rashan Gary) for O. Beckham. Probably be 4-0 right now and favored in the NFC to be in the Super Bowl.

Why pay Rodgers all that $ and not get some WR's? It is baffling.
 
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I think i would rather us beef up our run D and offensive line. It may be cool to win games scoring 40 or more points but i think the packers should ditch that identity and hope and instead become a team that controls possession, has a solid D that gets off the field. I dont want to see us win games with scores like 42-37. I want us to change the narrative and start winning games 24-18 or scores like that. Building a team that wins by scoring into the 40s is NOT sustainable. But clock possession and solid defense are timeless
 

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I think i would rather us beef up our run D and offensive line. It may be cool to win games scoring 40 or more points but i think the packers should ditch that identity and hope and instead become a team that controls possession, has a solid D that gets off the field. I dont want to see us win games with scores like 42-37. I want us to change the narrative and start winning games 24-18 or scores like that. Building a team that wins by scoring into the 40s is NOT sustainable. But clock possession and solid defense are timeless

I understand wanting a great defense, but when you have #12 as your QB, you really should have a great offense too. I think having #12 and #4 as your QB for 25+ seasons, allows you to "cheat" a bit on just how much you spend on your receiving group. Let's face it, both of those QB's could do more with less. However, it has become pretty obvious that TT rode the gas tank to just about empty with a pretty good group of receivers and Gute has done very little to fill that tank back up, except to take a shot with a 4th, 5th and 6th in his first draft. Rodgers is a great QB, but he can't be expected to turn mid to late round picks and UDFA's into Pro Bowlers.

I still like the potential of MVS and maybe Lazard, but until they can prove themselves and become solid, dependable contributors, this team is a one trick pony with Adams.
 

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I think i would rather us beef up our run D and offensive line. It may be cool to win games scoring 40 or more points but i think the packers should ditch that identity and hope and instead become a team that controls possession, has a solid D that gets off the field. I dont want to see us win games with scores like 42-37. I want us to change the narrative and start winning games 24-18 or scores like that. Building a team that wins by scoring into the 40s is NOT sustainable. But clock possession and solid defense are timeless

I actually agree with you on the basis of GB being a cold weather, grass team.

However, that train left the station the minute they gave Rodgers the big $ extension last year.

Had they wanted to go your route, they should have fired MM prior to the 2018 season and traded Rodgers for three 1st round picks prior to the 2018 draft instead of extending him. But, it is too late for all that.

Now they have no choice, IMO, but to maximize their investment in Rodgers. Which means give him some weapons.

Anyway, back to the topic of the thread. If the Packers are willing to eat Sanders remaining $7,000,000 contract, they should be able to get him for a #7 round pick...that is a lot of money off the Broncos' books.
 

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Dudes still trying to fix the defense when the offense is honestly why we lost. Sure the dudes couldn’t stop the run, but they sucked in the red zone.
 

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Even though he would likely just be a rental, if his presence would allow the offense to flow more efficiently and create more success, I think he could be worth it. Success tends to beget success.
 

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Make it happen, Manny is a better receiver then cobb. manny can stretch the field even at 32. thats like saying talib is not a good corner because he 33 lol. They still out there ballin. frank gore 36yr old running back still out there producing. Bring in Manny.
 

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If the Packers are actually serious about upgrading their WR group this season, I would rather them go after a younger player like Corey Davis or DeVante Parker. Offer a 3rd round for Davis, a 4th Rd. for Parker. Davis is still on his rookie deal through next year, with a 5th year option after that. Parker is affordable as well. Both of these guys have under achieved with less than stellar QB's and offer more upside in the long term than a 32 year old Sanders.
 
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