Emmanuel Sanders

[Dantés]

If the Packers are actually serious about upgrading their WR group this season, I would rather them go after a younger player like Corey Davis or DeVante Parker. Offer a 3rd round for Davis, a 4th Rd. for Parker. Davis is still on his rookie deal through next year, with a 5th year option after that. Parker is affordable as well. Both of these guys have under achieved with less than stellar QB's and offer more upside in the long term than a 32 year old Sanders.

The downside being that neither are half the WR that Sanders is.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

The downside being that neither are half the WR that Sanders is.

Sure, this season but either of the other two guys you get at a much cheaper salary and potentially for a lot more seasons. I get that people like Emmanuel Sanders, but are we THAT close to being a SB caliber team that he is going to be that big if a difference to justify the cost?

 

[Dantés]

Sure, this season but either of the other two guys you get at a much cheaper salary and potentially for a lot more seasons. I get that people like Emmanuel Sanders, but are we THAT close to being a SB caliber team that he is going to be that big if a difference to justify the cost?

Depends on the cost.

I mean, you've been talking a lot about finding a LB. What's the difference?

 

[PackerDNA]

If they are serious about a real upgrade at wide receiver , then it's AJ Green or bust, depending on his health.

 

[Dantés]

If they are serious about a real upgrade at wide receiver , then it's AJ Green or bust, depending on his health.

Why? No doubt Green is the best option when healthy, but why is it him or bust?

 

[PackerDNA]

Because go long or stay home don't half-*** it

 

[PackerDNA]

No one else being mentioned is a difference-maker, much less for a draft pick Black eyed peas.

 

[Dantés]

No one else being mentioned is a difference-maker, much less for a draft pick Black eyed peas.

Why isn't Emmanuel Sanders a difference maker?

 

[PackerDNA]

He might be, but age and all things considered I don't think enough of one . Definitely not as much as AJ Green would be. Going to spend the draft pick? Get a noticeable difference maker. The best bet for that is Green.
Again, go big or stay home. if you're not going to go for the big difference maker, save the pick and stay with the kids.

 

[Dantés]

He might be, but age and all things considered I don't think enough of one . Definitely not as much as AJ Green would be. Going to spend the draft pick? Get a noticeable difference maker. The best bet for that is Green.
Again, go big or stay home. if you're not going to go for the big difference maker, save the pick and stay with the kids.

We probably aren't talking about the same pick. I would guess Sanders is cheaper unless Green never gets healthy.

Sanders is 32 and averaged 72 yards per game last year. He's off to a good start through four games.

Green is 31 and averaged 77 yards per game last year. He's currently injured.

I fail to see the dramatic difference that you're suggesting.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Depends on the cost.

I mean, you've been talking a lot about finding a LB. What's the difference?

I would feel the same way about acquiring an ILB, I wouldn't want to mortage the future for what would potentially be just a one year rental. Before Davante's injury, ILB was a also a higher priority IMO. Finally, I think an ILB playing the Will is going to fit into the defense a lot faster than a WR would, even one as good as Sanders.

It's one thing to shell out some cash for a Free Agent that you are only going to lock down for a year (one year rental). However, if you also have to use draft picks on top of that, I would only do it if I thought we had a legit SB team.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

But Manny is better than Cobb? And who cares if he's 32? He's good, and still excelling athletically even after tearing his Achilles, AND coming back earlier than expected. That's freaky.

Gutekunst should definitely care about Sanders being 32 years old as acquiring him as a one year rental won't make the Packers a Super Bowl contender. The money he earns and the draft pick it would take to trade for him would be better used on improving the team next offseason.

We'd expect his numbers to be trending downward though, have you seen the QB's he's playing with? Sanders has had to deal with some horrible QB play prior to the acquisition of Flacco and even then, Flacco is not the same player he was.

Sanders two best seasons came with Peyton Manning throwing him the ball. Other than that he hasn't put up significantly better numbers than Cobb.

In hindsight I can't help but think they should have traded that #12 pick (that was used on Rashan Gary) for O. Beckham. Probably be 4-0 right now and favored in the NFC to be in the Super Bowl.

The Packers would be nearly out of cap space in that scenario as well not being able to roll over any into next season to further improve the roster as well as re-sign Clark.

Gutekunst needs to improve the position but with the 2020 receiver class being extremely talented it might be smart to make it happen that way.

Dudes still trying to fix the defense when the offense is honestly why we lost. Sure the dudes couldn’t stop the run, but they sucked in the red zone.

The Packers offense put up nearly 500 yards vs. the Eagles. It's true they struggled in the red zone and Rodgers fumble didn't help but they were definitely improved over the first three weeks of the season.

 

[swhitset]

Sure, this season but either of the other two guys you get at a much cheaper salary and potentially for a lot more seasons. I get that people like Emmanuel Sanders, but are we THAT close to being a SB caliber team that he is going to be that big if a difference to justify the cost?

I would say no..... I would also have said that at this point in 2010... go figure.

 

[elcid]

Personally I'd be happy with any move the Packers make at WR. With Adams the passing game has already been inconsistent to say the least, without him it would probably be diabolic. Green sounds like an intriguing option, and given that he is in a contract year will probably also not cost too much.

What would his average salary per year be though after 2019? He has had some similar injuries recently, but on the open market he'd still command a hefty sum presumably. For anything more than a 3rd round pick and 12M a year over 2 years would be a bad investment imo. 12m a year we can pretty much offset by cutting Graham next year.

 

[hasamikun]

If they are serious about a real upgrade at wide receiver , then it's AJ Green or bust, depending on his health.

Sry but the Packers wont invest high draft picks for an injury prone WR, no matter how good he is. He also has a kinda big cap hit, which Packers could afford to pay but I dont see the point in it.
Next draft will be loaded with WR talent. It makes more sense to invest a 1st or 2nd pick in a WR next draft than investing it in a Green trade.
Packers drafted defense-focused the last couple years and now the core defense stands. Now its time to get some big talent for the offense.

I mean I would love Green here but it isnt worth it imo. I can see a trade for someone like Sander happening because that would take 2nd or 3rd day draft pick.

 

[PackerDNA]

I fail to see the dramatic difference that you're suggesting.

If healthy, Green is the better of the two. In fact if health he's one of the best in the league.

Sry but the Packers wont invest high draft picks for an injury prone WR, no matter how good he is. He also has a kinda big cap hit, which Packers could afford to pay but I dont see the point in it.
Next draft will be loaded with WR talent. It makes more sense to invest a 1st or 2nd pick in a WR next draft than investing it in a Green trade.
Packers drafted defense-focused the last couple years and now the core defense stands. Now its time to get some big talent for the offense.

I mean I would love Green here but it isnt worth it imo. I can see a trade for someone like Sander happening because that would take 2nd or 3rd day draft pick.

I agree that we'll probably go wide receiver or offensive line in the first round next year. I'm just saying if we're going to make a move at wide receiver now why not go big? And if health is good, Green is my choice.

 

[PackerDNA]

I'd also prefer to pick up veterans at these positions, rather than continuing to go through a perpetual learning curve with rookies.

 

[Dantés]

If healthy, Green is the better of the two. In fact if health he's one of the best in the league.


I agree that we'll probably go wide receiver or offensive line in the first round next year. I'm just saying if we're going to make a move at wide receiver now why not go big? And if health is good, Green is my choice.

That's probably true about him being better if healthy, but that still doesn't explain why he's the only one who could make a difference.

 

[PackerDNA]

That's probably true about him being better if healthy, but that still doesn't explain why he's the only one who could make a difference.

Didn't say he's the only one who can make a difference. He would be my preference.
I'd be fine with Sanders too. I do believe we're going to make a move for a veteran wide receiver at some point in the next few weeks anyway.

 

[Dantés]

A couple thoughts here.

1) I don't necessarily view the Packers as a serious SB contender this year mostly because first year head coaches basically never sin Super Bowls. So I'm just being realistic about the probabilities. But if the team is 5-2 heading up to the trade deadline, I doubt they'll think that way. With a resurgent defense and Aaron Rodgers, they will probably like their chances (and with some good reason).

2) If they traded for Sanders and he enhanced the offense and helped drive the team towards success, but success short of a Super Bowl, that would still be worth something. It's important that Green Bay gets back to some winning ways, even if it's not a championship. And it's important that they get Rodgers and the offense in a groove. They will be in better shape heading into 2020 if they have some success to build on.

3) The sense or lack thereof in making a move like this is relative to the cost. Sanders would cost them about 5M in space over the back half of the season, but the draft capital is the bigger question. Given his age and the reality that it could be a rental, a 5th would not be unreasonable, nor would it have a major impact on the future of the Packers and their ability to continue building.

4) If Sanders found success with Rodgers, he could be brought back on a one year deal as a bridge to a younger draft pick. OR he could be allowed to walk and potentially return a late comp. pick, recouping the pick traded away for him.

 

[Dantés]

If they are serious about a real upgrade at wide receiver , then it's AJ Green or bust, depending on his health.

Because go long or stay home don't half-*** it

No one else being mentioned is a difference-maker, much less for a draft pick Black eyed peas.

Didn't say he's the only one who can make a difference. He would be my preference. I'd be fine with Sanders too. I do believe we're going to make a move for a veteran wide receiver at some point in the next few weeks anyway.

 

[PackerDNA]

Also said I'd be fine with Sanders. But I see what you're saying I could have been clearer. I just want to know how the Black eyed peas ended up in one of my posts.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

I have a fair question to ask of posters and it isn't being asked knowing the answer, nor probably do the Packers know the answer.

How long do you think it will take for a new WR to not only come in and learn the Packers playbook, but more importantly get in sync with Rodgers?

In the past we have heard how important chemistry and trust is for Rodgers and his receivers. Besides Adams in 2014, there hasn't been a new WR's brought in that had the proven talent that some of the WR's mentioned in this thread as potential options have, but its something to consider. The only recent history of "decent/proven" players being signed to play on offense were TE's, Cook, Bennett and Graham. All 3 of those players had the benefit of going through training camp and PS to get up to speed with Rodgers, yet there was still constant chatter about "they just need playing time together."

I still think that if the Packers are going to invest a lot of capital into a proven WR, especially if its just for a 1 year rental, I would prefer it to be done in the offseason, assuring the player of enough time to get up to speed with the Packers offense and Rodgers.

 

[Dantés]

I have a fair question to ask of posters and it isn't being asked knowing the answer, nor probably do the Packers know the answer.

How long do you think it will take for a new WR to not only come in and learn the Packers playbook, but more importantly get in sync with Rodgers?

In the past we have heard how important chemistry and trust is for Rodgers and his receivers. Besides Adams in 2014, there hasn't been a new WR's brought in that had the proven talent that some of the WR's mentioned in this thread as potential options have, but its something to consider. The only recent history of "decent/proven" players being signed to play on offense were TE's, Cook, Bennett and Graham. All 3 of those players had the benefit of going through training camp and PS to get up to speed with Rodgers, yet there was still constant chatter about "they just need playing time together."

I still think that if the Packers are going to invest a lot of capital into a proven WR, especially if its just for a 1 year rental, I would prefer it to be done in the offseason, assuring the player of enough time to get up to speed with the Packers offense and Rodgers.

I think it's a legitimate concern, but Sanders being a good veteran with an abundance of experience, I think the process could be accelerated. I also think the lack of alternatives could force the process-- if Allison and other secondary options have not improved their production by that time.

 

[Dantés]

Here's an honest question back: when was the last time that Rodgers was given a new wide receiver who wasn't a rookie? "They need time together" is indeed a common theme, but I can't think of that happening with a veteran-- only rookies (who may just need time anyways).