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Again, thank the powers that be that you all are just sitting there on your computers sharing only opinions and not in the Packers offices making decisions.
Our team would be in dire chaos if even a minority of Packer forum members were running the team instead.
I trust in the Packers organization.
As always, they will take a very close look at Dom at the end of the season and if they like what they see, they keep him.
If not, he goes. And either one is fine and dandy with me.
If this post is taken to its logical conclusion, it's an argument against commenting on this forum, except to agree with whatever the Packers organization does.

Beyond that, you rate the OP "old" even though I, for one, hadn't seen the suggestion of the Cleveland DC as a replacement for Capers. Or is it old because it advocates replacing Capers? Then you say Capers gets no credit again yet in this post say you're fine if he stays or if he's fired?

BTW, the Packers finished tied for 24th in points surrendered and finished 25th in yards surrendered. Just a reminder: there are only 32 teams. ;)
 

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Disagree that Jones is being unfairly held out. Typically DLs need a year or two to figure out the pro game and so it makes sense to use him as a spot player, especially since he missed so much time in camp and during the pre-season. A kid like Datone Jones needs some time to fine tune his technique, watch film, figure out blocking schemes etc. Guys like JJ Watt and Suh are few and far between. See Mario Williams' first season, or for that matter Nick Fairley.
JJ didnt figure it out til year 2, so its the norm for sure.
 

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I know yesterday three big plays on scoring drives were not on Capers: Shields mistiming his jump, Burnett letting Jeffrey run free, and Perry leaving Forte all alone. Without those big plays, the defense could have been much better.
 

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He wouldn't even let Datone Jones step on the field. He also had Raji on the field nearly the entire game. He helped clean up on 1 single tackle. Other than that he sat there like a fat tub. The team has been really good the last few weeks when Datone, Daniels and Boyd were all in at the same time. I didn't see that trio once.
That's what you're upset about? Daniels playing LDE while Raji played RDE, Perry on LOLB while Clay is out, Mulumba playing excessive snaps, Richardson's diminished playtime even in the redzone, and you want to worry about the 43 DE (talking about fit, not what he played in college) that we converted to a 24 DT who gets washed out in the run game? Daniels Boyd Jones base is probably the worst idea I've ever heard, might as well be a 52. The only way to make it worse is to replace Boyd with Worthy and try to make Datone NT. You think the run D is bad now, get that package on the field with Neal/Mulumba, Brad Jones, and Jennings.
 

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I know yesterday three big plays on scoring drives were not on Capers: Shields mistiming his jump, Burnett letting Jeffrey run free, and Perry leaving Forte all alone. Without those big plays, the defense could have been much better.

Was that #53? For some reason, I seem to have zeroed in #57 for being out of position on 3 consecutive...could be wrong and could be mixing "out-of-position" WITH "missed tackles" ... it was hard to tell where one f**k up ended and the next one began.
 

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McGinn wrote that only 4 of 50 snaps in were in the base 3-4. Here's the snap count he reported: Raji 32; Daniels 26; Pickett 25; Boyd 9; Datone Jones 5; Worthy 2; and Wilson was inactive.

I think Lattimore is the fastest ILB but those calling for him to start ahead of a healthy Brad Jones should re-watch that game. There was good reason for Jones to be starting ahead of him.
 

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The thing is that he has played in the last few weeks though and throughout the season for the most part. Why was he missing yesterday? I totally understand him developing over time but why was he no longer in the rotation yesterday?

Inside linebacker Brad Jones was a surprise scratch from Sunday's game after initially being listed as probable to play through his lingering sprained ankle.

Despite not playing against the Chicago Bears, defensive coordinator Dom Capers seemed to be optimistic Jones will be back.

"I have a lot of respect for Brad because he's fighting his way through and trying to play every week." Capers said
"I think now the fact he didn't play on Sunday he ought to be lot healthier than he he's has been for a while because it has been one week he'll make it three quarters and we have to pull him out... I am thinking Brad will be better this week than he's been for a while."

Source: Green Bay Press-Gazette - January 1, 2014- Packer Notebook by Weston Hodkiewicz Press Gazette media
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Was that #53? For some reason, I seem to have zeroed in #57 for being out of position on 3 consecutive...could be wrong and could be mixing "out-of-position" WITH "missed tackles" ... it was hard to tell where one f**k up ended and the next one began.

Yeah, Perry is 53
 

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I only question is if the 49ers put up 35+ will Mr. Warm Press Box be fired? The D cant get much worse so it wouldn't hurt to try a new D cord. The in worst case it wasn't Capers fault and the defense would still suck.
 

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I only question is if the 49ers put up 35+ will Mr. Warm Press Box be fired? The D cant get much worse so it wouldn't hurt to try a new D cord. The in worst case it wasn't Capers fault and the defense would still suck.

Or the defense could become one of the worst ever like what happened in Dallas.
 

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Or the defense could become one of the worst ever like what happened in Dallas.
And what happened here in 2011. I'd give Capers one more year. With the probability of three more top 100 draft picks added to the roster, if things don't get better, he does need to be replaced.
 

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Dom Capers’ 3-4 defense is at its best with vets playing but injuries have forced the Packers defensive coordinator to adjust. The odds might be stacked against them because of one factor: youth.

Source: JSOnline.com
 

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Capers is more respected around NFL circles than he is with Packers fans because those that know his defense understand he has not been afforded the same luxury as his Pittsburgh Steelers counterpart, **** LeBeau.

In a recent story in the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette, LeBeau, who together with Capers and head coach Bill Cowher transformed the Steelers into a 3-4 defensive powerhouse in the early '90s, basically said he wanted no part of rookies playing in his defense.

"The formula for us has been to get these guys and let them get assimilated into the defense and watch the veterans run it," LeBeau said. "If I had my choice I'd let (them) learn from the veterans and let them step into it as they become real comfortable in the defense."

When you look at people, you're going study them and you're going to try to attack them with things you think they don't have as much experience on," Capers said. "That's kind of where we've been throughout the course of the year. We're playing a lot of young guys.

"If you're dealing with injuries week in and week out, you have to adjust. And you have to make decisions on what you think guys can do and do it efficiently enough to give you a chance to win the game."


Capers said he has simplified the defense as much as possible, but there are still elements of it that require experience and football smarts to be successful.


Former Steelers all-pro defensive back Rod Woodson played under both Capers and LeBeau and brought up a term heard every time the Packers give up a big play: communication.


"If you watch Green Bay play this year, they have a lot of young guys in the secondary and at linebackers and you see guys running wide open," Woodson said. That's not how the coaches called it.


If everyone isn't seeing the offense the same way, the defense falls apart.
 
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That IS a good article. I realize I'm doing the MMQB thing and all, but if Dom knows the Packers value youth players, and his system is better with veterans, then doesn't it make sense to either tweak the defense to work better with youth or find another D? Are there other teams running the 3/4 doing it better with younger players, or is the LeBeau 3-4 the only scheme, etc?

I think the conclusion out of this article is that Capers scheme is the wrong one for the Packers draft and develop philosophy.
 

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I think the conclusion out of this article is that Capers scheme is the wrong one for the Packers draft and develop philosophy.

Yep! I've been saying this for years. I have no doubt Capers is a brilliant "football mind"... but his defenses have given so many record settingly bad performances over the years (and with totally different rosters/players) that there's no way it can be ignored.
 

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I think people are taking the wrong things from that article. No NFL defense is simple. If you're going to get 25 starts from defensive rookies in ANY defensive scheme, you're going to have a ton of breakdowns. The problem is that the Packers haven't found enough playmakers in the draft on the defensive side of the ball to keep around. I'm sure TT would be more than happy to keep vets that were worth it (e.g., Clay, Burnett, hopefully Shields) but we keep searching for guys at too many positions because the guys we draft don't work out.
 

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I was digging through some old stats on Capers, and came across some interesting information. It appears that he has success initially leading a defense, only to decline sharply the longer he is there. The trend seems to have continued in Green Bay.

His first DC gig does not fall into the pattern, he was quite successful with the Steelers(no surprise) every year he was DC there
(ranks are based off yards allowed, then in points allowed)
1992-Defense ranked #13(2)
1993-Defense ranked #3(8)
1994-Defense ranked #2(2)

Then he went to become the Head Coach of the Panthers
1995-Defense ranked #7(8)
1996-Defense ranked #10(2)
1997-Defense ranked #15(13)
1998-Defense ranked #30(27)

As DC of Jacksonville
1999-Defense ranked #4(1)
2000-Defense ranked #12(16)

As Head Coach of Texans
2002-Defense ranked #16(20)
2003-Defense ranked #31(27)
2004-Defense ranked #23(15)
2005-Defense ranked #32(32)

As DC of Miami
2006-Defense ranked #4(5)
2007-Defense ranked #23(30)

As DC of Green Bay
2009-Defense ranked #2(7)
2010-Defense ranked #5(2)
2011-Defense ranked #32(19)
2012-Defense ranked #11(11)
2013-Defense ranked #25(24)

I'm sorry I know I just threw out a lot of information here. But what I'm trying to point out is that Capers seems to throw off opposing offenses at first, and then they figure him out. It's happened enough times now that it's hard not to see. There is a reason he hasn't stuck around anywhere. I know some people will disagree with me, and some will agree, but it's time for him to go(and I'm usually hesitant about firings), especially if he can't figure out a way to slow down the 49ers on Sunday.
 

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If he has another disaster like the playoff game last year this coming Sunday, I doubt he returns for 2014. The defense is the only thing holding this team back. The offense is plenty good enough to win a Super Bowl.
 

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If he has another disaster like the playoff game last year this coming Sunday, I doubt he returns for 2014. The defense is the only thing holding this team back. The offense is plenty good enough to win a Super Bowl.

Absolutely, this is his fourth time against the 49ers, the defense has gotten beat badly each time. If he gets shredded by Steve Young Joe Montana Colin Kaepernick again, he needs to go.
 

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