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[Pokerbrat2000]

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Sorry but Cowturd is an idiot and has developed an extreme hardon to say anything he can to try and discredit Rodgers or the Packers.

Case in point here. He leads his discussion of why the Packers messed up by not getting Mack with:

"Point A: The Packers were the only team with 2 first round picks in 2019, have them Raiders, we want the next future Lawrence Taylor".

Problem is Mr. Cow Dung, do you know that the Packers didn't offer that and do you understand that the 2 draft picks that the Bears gave up are more perceived to be way more valuable than the 2 the Packers possessed?

 

[Firethorn1001]

Did you just REALLY post a clip of Cowherd to make your point?

Just an idea, when trying to make a point, best not to use the most click-bait, say something for ratings guy out there.

Edit: Ugh.. now I'm capitalizing stuff. It's contagious.

 

[pizzle]

The message-not the messenger. I'm not a Cowherd fan. It's not about that-or him. He spoke alot of truths about the situation. I wish some of you guys would take off your rose-colored (or should I say emerald-colored) glasses sometimes.

Mack going to Chicago and not being in Green Bay is a big deal. Years back we may say that it was the seminal move that caused us to waste the rest of 12's prime. Or is Clay/Nick capable of being what they haven't been to date-effective enough to garner a Packers' SB berth?

And the satire wasn't asked for...

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Mack going to Chicago and not being in Green Bay is a big deal. Years back we may say that it was the seminal move that caused us to waste the rest of 12's prime.

Or in one year we say "sure glad we didn't trade for Mack". Look, you and some posters may be right that the Packers should have traded for Mack and those of us who said "no" are dumb or it could turn out that all of you will look like idiots in a year or 2 as well. Who knows and we may never truly know. But to use hind site and call out moves as being really dumb and costing championships isn't really that tough to do. Hell, Bostick should have never been on the field, Packers are in the Super Bowl....easy fix! So by you saying the Packers were idiots for keeping Matthews and Perry around and wasting AR isn't fully looking at the big picture, as the events unfolded.

 

[XPack]

What people don't realize that it's not going to be Mack all by himself that is keeping us away from the SB. Mack is equally a threat to Vikings and Lions and I presume they'd be making their own plans on this.

We'd win a SB if we had gotten Mack is also not a certainty as many seem to think. Lots other things needs to go right. It'll definitely improve our chances, that's all. We only won 1 SB in 6 seasons with Reggie.

 

[Firethorn1001]

Sounds like you just want to be patted on the back and say you're right.

Going from a position of 'Do anything at any cost and sell the farm' is a horrible negotiating position to take. There is no way I'd want a GM to go into a situation like this and just throw whatever at it to get it done. If I'm the Raiders and I sense desperation, I'm pounding that GM. 'Hey, we want 5 1st round picks and Khalil wants the rest of your cap. Sounds great, sign me up! Oh wait.. 5 1st rounders, we meant 6.

Presumably the Packers took their shot and didn't work out. IMHO 3 teams that were interested still were better positioned from projected draft pick quality and cap availability due to cheap QB contracts so, the Packers were not in a position of strength from a draft capital standpoint. Another brutal truth is that maybe Mack wanted another 10M to play in GB instead of Chicago or NY. (Trade for him.. still have to sign him)

Now, if the Packers went in and say only offered a 3rd? Well.. shame on them. If they went in offering 2 1st knowing what they would have to outlay in cash and cap space well.. honestly, not much more you can do. 3 1st would have been too rich IMHO. And given I think there is one trade with 3 1st round picks given up (Walker), assuming the rest of the league agrees.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

We only won 1 SB in 6 seasons with Reggie.

Don't worry, I am sure someone will find one person to pin that on.

 

[XPack]

Don't worry, I am sure someone will find one person to pin that on.

Obviously, we didn't have Janis. Damn him for not being born earlier!

 

[AmishMafia]

Or in one year we say "sure glad we didn't trade for Mack". Look, you and some posters may be right that the Packers should have traded for Mack and those of us who said "no" are dumb or it could turn out that all of you will look like idiots in a year or 2 as well. Who knows and we may never truly know. But to use hind site and call out moves as being really dumb and costing championships isn't really that tough to do. Hell, Bostick should have never been on the field, Packers are in the Super Bowl....easy fix! So by you saying the Packers were idiots for keeping Matthews and Perry around and wasting AR isn't fully looking at the big picture, as the events unfolded.

Pizzle will get over this, just like when he was upset we didnt go after Albert Haynesworth, Asomugh, Mario Williams, Byrd, orakpo, and Suh.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Pizzle will get over this, just like when he was upset we didnt go after Albert Haynesworth, Asomugh, Mario Williams, Byrd, orakpo, and Suh.

Doesn't really bother me, since on On December 12, 1980, I bought 100,000 shares of Apple Stock and am doing "ok" since.

 

[AmishMafia]

Doesn't really bother me, since on On December 12, 1980, I bought 100,000 shares of Apple Stock and am doing "ok" since.

Sweet! A better use of the time machine than football games.

But just go to 2005 and buy Mizuho. Exec was supposed to sell 1 share for 610,00 yen. Accidentally sold 610,000 shares for 1 yen. Oooops. $225M gone in a few seconds.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Sweet! A better use of the time machine than football games.

Yup. Heck with a time machine, every fans team would have won the Super Bowl every year, we would have 32 SB winners yearly. Ok, maybe Browns and Vikings would be stretching it too far.

 

[PikeBadger]

There are so many factors when it comes to winning SB titles it’s insane to try and pin it on something/someone directly. Clay has had good years he’s not a bad player even these past years. Plus you also need to remember that the players do what they are told by their respective coordinators. Someone mentioned this in an earlier post about players playing where they shouldn’t. He was talking about CBs more specifically but it’s the idea I’m referring to. Clay was told play this spot, do this by Dom Capers, could be his play suffered from that. Just saying we don’t know exactly why Clays play suffered, could be he’s losing his edge, could be DC misused him. We’ll get a better idea after this season, new GM and new DC.

It also could be that Matthews has whiffed on a lot of potential sacks over the years. He misses just as much as he hits. I’d like to see his finishing percentage improve significantly.