Packers vs Seachickens Pregame

[OldSchool101]

Gute has done a great job in free agency and picks 4-7 but has too many high draft pick busts. MLF is a good offensive coordinator but is he a good head coach ?

I’m a little more careful of what I’d call a bust. The bold players are really the only guys who are arguably “busts” based on draft position.
JA Alexander, J Jackson, O Burks
R Gary, D Savage, E Jenkins J Sternbgr
J Love, AJ Dillon, J Deguara
E Stokes, J Myers, A Rodgers
Q Walker,D Walker,C Watson, S Rhyan
L Van Ness, L Musgrave, J Reed, T Kraft

To defend Brian he backed up in Rd1 and traded away a 3rd for a 6th to get
Savage/Runyan. So really a 3rd Rounder is TWO serviceable starters (not a combined 3rd bust)

That’s 17/20 players in Day1-2 that I could argue are not “busts”.
Even Stokes had at least had 1 good year and 1 as serviceable starter and he’s #29 overall and still playing today so maybe at worst semi-bust or more moderately underperforming?
How many selections were Top 10 draft picks? Zero.
How many selections were Top 20?
2- J’aire and Rashan.

Picking 22-29 in draft order is MUCH different for me than picking 1-10.
So 1 semi Bust (Stokes) in Round 1 across 6 drafts isn’t a bad track record

Lastly, QB holds highest priority. We gotta franchise QB at #26? That’s an A grade that easily covers a multitude of draft sins. Really the only true full “Busts” for Day 2 are Josh Jones and Amari Rodgers imo

 

[Thirteen Below]

He's said several times that we'll finish in the cellar next year.

Not to mention suggested that Jordan Love is just another Kapernick or Fields.

Thet guy's just like a little kid. All over the place emotionally, saying whatever pops into his head withoutany thought or consistency. Very difficult to take anything he says seriously, because he'll say something completely different tomorrow.

 

[gopkrs]

The Packers are who they've been for the past 14 seasons. Good enough to make the playoffs but lacking in focus and intensity. The roster always has exploitable holes that arise from the GM doubling down to fix holes from previous high draft pick busts. I expect this team to make the playoffs and then get bounced again.

MLF is in his 6th season. The question I have with keeping him on is whether he learns enough from his mistakes to improve? Same as for a player. If the Packers are ever really going to compete for a SB, then both MLF and Gute need to improve their performances. Gute has done a great job in free agency and picks 4-7 but has too many high draft pick busts. MLF is a good offensive coordinator but is he a good head coach

Well, it's easy to say they will get bounced. Almost all playoff teams do. I'd like to see them start a strong finish starting this weekend. The secondary and linebacker injuries do hurt for this game but I think the team is playing and will play with intensity. A lot of it has to do with how Hafley plays them imho. He cannot be too conservative. The linebackers can drop back. But not so far. They so obviously have to be aware of the short passes. I'm optimistic for tomorrow and for the playoffs.

 

[Pugger]

Who is “they”?
I highly doubt our Coaches or Staff think he’s “severely injured”. First of all I don’t think they’d allow a severely injured player to suit up. Secondly severely injured people are in a hospital or at minimum soaking in an ice bucket, they don’t suit up and run around the field imo

I didn't say "severely injured". It is probably not bad enough to shut him down but it flares up in practice and then he can't play.

 

[OldSchool101]

I didn't say "severely injured". It is probably not bad enough to shut him down but it flares up in practice and then he can't play.

That’s possible.
My guess is we were just a little shy (1-2 more weeks etc) of giving JA adequate time to heal up.

Recall he came back at 3 weeks last time and tweaked it. We are now 4 weeks from that Chicago game.
At 5 or 6 weeks I suspect he’d be a thumbs up.
Personally I’d have him test it next week (5 additional weeks) with <20 snaps and then lose the training wheels at US Bank. Unless we beat Seattle + Washington, LA loses + Vikings Win.
Then we’ll lock a 6th at minimum and likely can’t better our seeding.

 

[Heyjoe4]

Who is “they”?
I highly doubt our Coaches or Staff think he’s “severely injured”. First of all I don’t think they’d allow a severely injured player to suit up. Secondly severely injured people are in a hospital or at minimum soaking in an ice bucket, they don’t suit up and run around the field imo

Pugger didn't say JA is "severely injured". Be more careful.

JA hasn't played in weeks, so it's fair to say he has a significant injury. But whether it's "severe" or "significant", who cares? Bottom line is the guy isn't playing.

 

[OldSchool101]

Pugger didn't say JA is "severely injured". Be more careful.

JA hasn't played in weeks, so it's fair to say he has a significant injury. But whether it's "severe" or "significant", who cares? Bottom line is the guy isn't playing.

Jaire is out. I suspect his injury is more severe than they are letting on...

I care! Why do you think I asked him who “they” is?! I care about topics of our top players condition of health and I don’t think that’s unfair or unreasonable or deserving of scolding or being reprimanded by you for asking who “they” is?
Alexander practiced in pads this week and I watched him on film this week, so unless he reinjured on Friday?
I 100% want to know who they is and why he said he thinks he’s more severely injured than they thought.

 

[Sanguine camper]

I’m a little more careful of what I’d call a bust. The bold players are really the only guys who are arguably “busts” based on draft position.
JA Alexander, J Jackson, O Burks
R Gary, D Savage, E Jenkins J Sternbgr
J Love, AJ Dillon, J Deguara
E Stokes, J Myers, A Rodgers
Q Walker,D Walker,C Watson, S Rhyan
L Van Ness, L Musgrave, J Reed, T Kraft

To defend Brian he backed up in Rd1 and traded away a 3rd for a 6th to get
Savage/Runyan. So really a 3rd Rounder is TWO serviceable starters (not a combined 3rd bust)

That’s 17/20 players in Day1-2 that I could argue are not “busts”.
Even Stokes had at least had 1 good year and 1 as serviceable starter and he’s #29 overall and still playing today so maybe at worst semi-bust or more moderately underperforming?
How many selections were Top 10 draft picks? Zero.
How many selections were Top 20?
2- J’aire and Rashan.

Picking 22-29 in draft order is MUCH different for me than picking 1-10.
So 1 semi Bust (Stokes) in Round 1 across 6 drafts isn’t a bad track record

Lastly, QB holds highest priority. We gotta franchise QB at #26? That’s an A grade that easily covers a multitude of draft sins. Really the only true full “Busts” for Day 2 are Josh Jones and Amari Rodgers imo

Sternberger and Deguara weren't busts? Does a guy just have to suit up to avoid that label? I've posted before what I think deserves a bust label. Much has to do with draft position. A GM needs to find at least 4 starters per year and one of those needs to be all pro/pro bowl quality if you're serious about winning a SB. If a lot of those top 3 picks aren't at least solid starters, the roster will have exploitable holes.

 

[milani]

I do think they’ll proceed with caution with J’aire. The first attempt was 3 weeks out from initial injury. J’aire said he reaggravated it. Although I doubt it was worse than the original injury. Next week’s Saints game will be 5 weeks from that Chicago game in reference. My guess is he’s a 50/50 coin flip for that game. I’d say more like 70/30 he plays by Minnesota in 2 weeks. That’s 6 weeks out from him tweaking it and 9 Weeks from the initial tear.

If we can Win in Seattle there’s only way the Packers would miss postseason is Seattle or LA going 3-0 + GB going 0-3 to to finish. Could happen but very unlikely. What I’m saying is a Packer Win Sunday could give us more reason to take a chance resting players. Until we win another game we are not guaranteed anything though. Get this Win and I’ll feel much better about Playoffs and the so called “resting players” idea. Might be resting JA and the entire organization 4-5 months if we’re not careful.

MLF needs to show that this team if a force on the national stage. At least in the NFC.

 

[Pugger]

I care! Why do you think I asked him who “they” is?! I care about topics of our top players condition of health and I don’t think that’s unfair or unreasonable or deserving of scolding or being reprimanded by you for asking who “they” is?
Alexander practiced in pads this week and I watched him on film this week, so unless he reinjured on Friday?
I 100% want to know who they is and why he said he thinks he’s more severely injured than they thought.

Who else besides the medical folks and/or coaches would be "they"?

My, you must have thin skin if you felt I was scolding or reprimanding you even if I am old enough to be your mother. If anyone should be scolded it might be "they" who should rest Jaire until he is completely healthy? We need Jaire down the stretch.

 

[Schultz]

I’m a little more careful of what I’d call a bust. The bold players are really the only guys who are arguably “busts” based on draft position.
JA Alexander, J Jackson, O Burks
R Gary, D Savage, E Jenkins J Sternbgr
J Love, AJ Dillon, J Deguara
E Stokes, J Myers, A Rodgers
Q Walker,D Walker,C Watson, S Rhyan
L Van Ness, L Musgrave, J Reed, T Kraft

To defend Brian he backed up in Rd1 and traded away a 3rd for a 6th to get
Savage/Runyan. So really a 3rd Rounder is TWO serviceable starters (not a combined 3rd bust)

That’s 17/20 players in Day1-2 that I could argue are not “busts”.
Even Stokes had at least had 1 good year and 1 as serviceable starter and he’s #29 overall and still playing today so maybe at worst semi-bust or more moderately underperforming?
How many selections were Top 10 draft picks? Zero.
How many selections were Top 20?
2- J’aire and Rashan.

Picking 22-29 in draft order is MUCH different for me than picking 1-10.
So 1 semi Bust (Stokes) in Round 1 across 6 drafts isn’t a bad track record

Lastly, QB holds highest priority. We gotta franchise QB at #26? That’s an A grade that easily covers a multitude of draft sins. Really the only true full “Busts” for Day 2 are Josh Jones and Amari Rodgers imo

IMO Sternberger was a bust. DeGuera a semi-bust. I am not arguing with you. I respect your opinion. I just wanted to add my opinion.

 

[OldSchool101]

Sternberger and Deguara weren't busts? Does a guy just have to suit up to avoid that label? I've posted before what I think deserves a bust label. Much has to do with draft position. A GM needs to find at least 4 starters per year and one of those needs to be all pro/pro bowl quality if you're serious about winning a SB. If a lot of those top 3 picks aren't at least solid starters, the roster will have exploitable holes.

ok I’ll give you Sternberger. Drafted at #75 overall and only played 2 seasons.
So loss of value of 50% of his Rookie contract is a pretty good argument for a Bust.

Josiah Deguara was drafted at #94 overall (basically a 3rd Comp area) and played out his 4 year Rookie contract. I think I’d have to push back on that one. His late Draft stock protects him. Had he went back of Round 2nor earlier? then I think we’d have a case for bust. I call him lower performing, but not worthless either. Recorded 2 Td’s and a Safety on ST

 

[OldSchool101]

MLF needs to show that this team if a force on the national stage. At least in the NFC.

Amen. Imo to do this we need to play with more energy. This is a Seattle franchise thats basically owned us lately. I know it’s not an easy environment, but not only does a Packer Win dramatically increase our Playoff Birth, it may very well cause Seattle to falter.

Not to mention this could be a wonderful payback for the 2014 NFC game. Seattle loses this they are in much more fragile position for Postseason. There’s a realistic chance whoever misses Leading the West Division sits home this year.

 

[rmontro]

Not to mention this could be a wonderful payback for the 2014 NFC game.

This wouldn't make even a small down payment towards that debacle.

 

[Sanguine camper]

ok I’ll give you Sternberger. Drafted at #75 overall and only played 2 seasons.
So loss of value of 50% of his Rookie contract is a pretty good argument for a Bust.

Josiah Deguara was drafted at #94 overall (basically a 3rd Comp area) and played out his 4 year Rookie contract. I think I’d have to push back on that one. His late Draft stock protects him. Had he went back of Round 2nor earlier? then I think we’d have a case for bust. I call him lower performing, but not worthless either. Recorded 2 Td’s and a Safety on ST

I would argue Dequara would've been ok as a 6th round pick. As a 3rd Rounder, you're expecting a solid starter. Draft position should increase the expectations for a player. There are other players like LVN that should also be graded on that curve. At the 13th pick in the draft, you're needing an impact player, not a role player who makes a play every 3 weeks. As I've posted in the past, Gute's tremendous drafting in rounds 4-7 has saved his job because I think he has too many disappointments in the first 3 rounds. Gute has also done a real good job in free agency and in general, knowing who to jettison and who to resign. That said, the Packers have the typical holes in the roster that keeps them from being a legitimate SB contender that you have to blame on poor drafting in rounds 1-3.

 

[milani]

This wouldn't make even a small down payment towards that debacle.

And you can throw in the Fail Mary game.

 

[OldSchool101]

This wouldn't make even a small down payment towards that debacle.

I know it @rmontro it sure did sting.
It would give me comfort if we ended the Seahawks season by knocking them out of Postseason directly Wildcard Weekend.
If Seattle finishes as a 3 Seed and we finish as a 6th seed we’d have 2 chances at ending their season. As of now this is a very realistic possibility