Thurs Bears game: Stopping Howard will be Key

[AmishMafia]

no there isn't. we need to get our starting tackles back healthy. If it was just 1 at a time i'm not too worried being this far down on the depth chart because they can gameplan around it and everyone is good enough to do it. The coach, the rest of the line, the QB, and all the skill positions. Both being guys so far down makes it a lot tougher, but they aren't going to give them a do over. Just gotta line up and play.

What I find humorous is that posters are saying they were clamoring for more veterans on the roster prior to the season. I don't know if there were any vets out there who would be worth it, but cutting 2 players from the roster would hurt us at depth and player development down the road. Even with the benefit of hindsight, they still make a decision that makes us worse. The fact our backups played respectably proves TTs gamble was wise at that point. He should not expect 3rd and 5th stringers to get injured prior to 1st and 2nd making it back from injury.

 

[El Guapo]

Kyle Murphy got beat by the same play over and over again. The DE (forgot his name) would run Murphy just wide of Rodgers but close enough. That would get Murphy's momentum going sideways. As soon as the DE got about level with Rodgers, he would stop on a dime, do a club/swim move to push Murphy out of the way using Kyle's momentum, and instantly sack Rodgers. Murphy either couldn't adjust to this or his foot was really preventing it. It seemed like more of an experience problem than injury to me.

 

[PackerfaninCarolina]

Agreed Mondio. It's such killer when they come back for a game and re injure themselves and we lose them for the next 2 or 3.

Well, let's hope MM is constantly subbing Cobb in and out in this next game given that Cobb says he thinks he's going to play.

 

[Dantés]

Not to stir up the whole OL depth thing, because most of you have done a good job of stirring and simmering the pot, but my "beef" with TT stems back to the same beef I brought up before week 1. Bulaga, Spriggs and Barclay started the season hurt and/or IR'd. THAT was the time TT needed to gauge the depth of the OL and bring in a veteran body or 2 and they were out there. Sure, he had some guys like Murphy, Pankey, McCray and Patrick for "depth". But how good of depth was that at the time and how confident should the Packers have been with it? So yeah, losing Bahk sucks, Bulaga still not ready and Murphy now IR'd sucks, but I still say TT started the season with a very shaky 53 when it comes to the OL and now it appears to be biting him in the ****. Talk all you want about losing Bahk and Bulaga......but Bulaga was injured before the season started, as was Spriggs and Barclay. Either the Packers doctors/training staff are feeding TT bad information or TT just started the season without considering what happens when guys start going down on the OL.

These questions are not rhetorical-- I can't remember.

1) Didn't Spriggs hurt his hammy after the season started?

2) Who were the veterans available that have been snapped up since?

This one is kind of rhetorical-- how many tackles do you think they could afford to carry on the roster?

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

What some of you are failing to recall is the Packers started the season with Bulaga injured, Spriggs injured and Barclay on IR. That isn't depth, it is 3 out of 4 of your top Tackles injured. Even calling Barclay and Spriggs your #3 and #4 is a bit scary in my book! I wasn't calling for more UDFA's for depth, I was hoping for signing some veteran FA OL for depth, which there were available.

It's fine to carry a few guys on the roster that are viewed as developmental guys, but when you are forced to use a guy that is viewed as a developmental guard at Tackle, with no NFL experience, something isn't right.

I guess it worked out at CB and RB last year, see what happens.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

These questions are not rhetorical-- I can't remember.

1) Didn't Spriggs hurt his hammy after the season started?

2) Who were the veterans available that have been snapped up since?

This one is kind of rhetorical-- how many tackles do you think they could afford to carry on the roster?

Pretty sure Spriggs was hurt before the season started. He also looked like garbage in the preseason.

Alex Boone was available, the Cardinals snapped him up @ $1.4M. Guessing there have been plenty of veteran OL available between the time of Barclay's injury and now.

Your last question is easy to answer. We still have cap space right? Isn't about how many, its about quality of. How many bad OL can we afford before AR is injured?

 

[Dantés]

Pretty sure Spriggs was hurt before the season started. He also looked like garbage in the preseason.

Alex Boone was available, the Cardinals snapped him up @ $1.4M. Guessing there have been plenty of veteran OL available between the time of Barclay's injury and now.

Your last question is easy to answer. We still have cap space right? Isn't about how many, its about quality of. How many bad OL can we afford before AR is injured?

Ok, you obviously know what I mean Poker. You have to distribute roster spots across the positions. Should they carry 6 tackles?

Boone is a guard no?

 

[Mondio]

Boone is a guard, and not an upgrade over anybody we have

 

[Mondio]

In a league where most teams do not have 2 legit starting tackles you're thinking is beyond wishful if you think there were some just sitting there waiting for a job. in a league where your determined garbage player like Spriggs wouldn't let 2 seconds on the waiver wire, you think teams are just letting good tackle talent just go for other teams?

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Boone is a guard, and not an upgrade over anybody we have

Might want to check on that, Boone has played at both Guard and Tackle. Was starting for AZ week 2, but injured Monday night.

You still don't understand what I am saying or just don't want to admit it. We started this season with terrible depth on the Oline....and 3 weeks in, if you can't recognize the dumpster fire that is currently burning, I can't explain it to you.

Where and who were the depth on the entire OL when this season started? Not going to keep rehashing the same thing, our depth was injured. This is just yet another case of TT thinking he can rely on developmental guys for depth.

 

[Dantés]

Might want to check on that, Boone has played at both Guard and Tackle. Was starting for AZ week 2, but injured Monday night.

You still don't understand what I am saying or just don't want to admit it. We started this season with terrible depth on the Oline....and 3 weeks in, if you can't recognize the dumpster fire that is currently burning, I can't explain it to you.

Where and who were the depth on the entire OL when this season started? Not going to keep rehashing the same thing, our depth was injured. This is just yet another case of TT thinking he can rely on developmental guys for depth.

I think some of us totally understand, but disagree.

We entered the season with one injured OT-- Bulaga. His injury was not considered serious or long term. Spriggs was not injured to start the season.

It's unreasonable to think that TT should have somehow expected what's happened at OT to this point because one guy had turned an ankle before the season. To take a shot at him over it is silly.

 

[Mondio]

Might want to check on that, Boone has played at both Guard and Tackle. Was starting for AZ week 2, but injured Monday night.

You still don't understand what I am saying or just don't want to admit it. We started this season with terrible depth on the Oline....and 3 weeks in, if you can't recognize the dumpster fire that is currently burning, I can't explain it to you.

Where and who were the depth on the entire OL when this season started? Not going to keep rehashing the same thing, our depth was injured. This is just yet another case of TT thinking he can rely on developmental guys for depth.

I understand completely what you're saying and I think your are being completely unrealistic. Week one against one of the best dlines in the league we played 1 backup tackle for Bulaga, and he did ok. About as good as any backup tackle in this league and better than some teams starters.

They're expecting Bulaga to come back in a couple weeks or sooner at that point. And we're sitting with 2 backups. Who cares if they signed Boone. So now he's hurt and we don't have McCray on the team because they cut him to make room for boone. Or should we have IRd Bulaga? We blinked and next thing our franchise left tackle and his backup were out too.

You're right, it's becoming a bad situation, you're crazy if you think it was preventable. Half the teams don't have 2 legit tackles, Ted left is high and dry for not having 6 lol

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Saying the signing of Boone would have been a mistake because he got injured Monday night? Really? Come on man.

The injuries that the Packers have suffered along the OL weren't preventable, no. Having to start players along the OL in week's 1-4 that have had no or little experience, could have been prevented. Again, it comes back to TT fooling himself that he can stash undeveloped players on the 53 and then when they do have to step up, they aren't ready. We saw it at CB and we saw it at RB last year. Now we get to see it on the OL. Have said it before, doing this to the OL, is probably the most dangerous thing TT could do to the long term success of the team. Rodgers gets blindsided, goodbye season. Even the media is talking about the need for the Packers to get immediate help on the OL, this despite still having 3 developmental guys on the roster.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

It's unreasonable to think that TT should have somehow expected what's happened at OT to this point because one guy had turned an ankle before the season. To take a shot at him over it is silly.

So it's unreasonable for us to expect him to make moves...NOW... to fix it?

 

[C-Lee]

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[Dantés]

So it's unreasonable for us to expect him to make moves...NOW... to fix it?

Nope. I'm not saying I know what those moves would be... tackles are really hard to find at the best of times, much less week 3. But I get wanting to see him keep trying.

I'm saying it's unreasonable to act as though he should have seen this coming.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

I'm saying it's unreasonable to act as though he should have seen this coming.

Hard to agree with that, I saw it coming the whole preseason and I'm not much of a football expert. What was everyone in here talking about all preseason? The crappy depth at OL. I mean come on, Barclay as your top reserve T? This has been taking shape for months now and people seem to be acting like it's a big surprise and only due to injuries that couldn't be foreseen. When was the last time the Packers made it through 16+ games without losing a starter on the OL for an extended period of time? Sticking so close to D&D has stung TT and the Packers in the past and its stinging them again on the OL.

 

[Dantés]

Hard to agree with that, I saw it coming the whole preseason and I'm not much of a football expert. What was everyone in here talking about all preseason? The crappy depth at OL. I mean come on, Barclay as your top reserve T? This has been taking shape for months now and people seem to be acting like it's a big surprise and only due to injuries that couldn't be foreseen. When was the last time the Packers made it through 16+ games without losing a starter on the OL for an extended period of time? Sticking so close to D&D has stung TT and the Packers in the past and its stinging them again on the OL.

Bull... you did not see Bakh, Murphy, and Spriggs getting hurt and Bulaga getting reinjured.

 

[Mondio]

Saying the signing of Boone would have been a mistake because he got injured Monday night? Really? Come on man.
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I said it for a reason. You seemed to have picked up on it by your statement. But it's ironic you haven't picked up on why i said it

 

[Deleted member 6794]

Packers list Bakhtiari and Bulaga as doubtful for tomorrow's game vs. the Bears. That's terrible news.

In addition House has been ruled out with Daniels and Perry being questionable.

 

[Dblbogey]

Boone is a guard, and not an upgrade over anybody we have

When Bahktiari is healthy, the line improves 40%. IF he and Linsley stay healthy, it'll be OK. IF Bulaga also gets healthy, we could have a very good line again in 3 weeks. Today, I am an optimist. Don't ruin my dreams.

 

[Dblbogey]

So it's unreasonable for us to expect him to make moves...NOW... to fix it?

Probably one of those guys who thinks he could get a quality tackle in a trade for Fackrell.

 

[Dblbogey]

Packers list Bakhtiari and Bulaga as doubtful for tomorrow's game vs. the Bears. That's terrible news.

In addition House has been ruled out with Daniels and Perry being questionable.

I'm thinking Perry will play. Wonder since it is just one finger if a cast will allow him use of a couple of fingers and thumb. That would help. If Bakhtiari is out, we are screwed again.

 

[GBkrzygrl]

I would really like to see what Williams and Jones can do. We don't really know if they are good or not. I know Howard was good coming to start with but Cohen is a 4th rounder and is doing well.

How are we going to find out if either of them can help out if they are not given a chance with multiple plays?

We already know that Monty can block maybe the other RB's can. At least try the committee approach.

 

[C-Lee]

Expect a lot of **** and dunk passes and an attempt to get the run game going. If we keep AR12 alive and stop Howard/Cohen, we’ll win.