Packers vs Bears Game Thread: Make the Bears Continue to Suck edition

[Calebs Revenge]

Plus every Coach goes through losing cycles when they first take over. Actually Vince was losing at first. He went to his veteran players and asked them what they thought would work. They never looked back.

Robert Saleh took over as DC for SF49ers and they continued to struggle at first. SF49ers ranked in the bottom 10 in scoring D. By his 3rd season he was the #8 ranked Defense

There's no dignity in get screwed by refs.

I see Eberfus is sending a tape to the NFL about the Packers lining up over center. Two players lined up outside center, but were pushed into the lanes on both sides of him. in the continuation of play, he was pretty much run over, but it was squeezing past him on the side, that gave the opportunity for the block. If you watch FG and EP attempts you'll see that the position these defenders ended up in is really no different than any other attempt. The big thing was that the kick had no loft on it. Eberfus can complain all he wants, but it's on him. Like was stated, he had another down and a time out, so he could have advanced the ball further and made it an easier shot. But, it doesn't matter. It is what it is. If the Packers had lost the same way, and LeFleur was all over it, I'd say he was wrong as well.

there's no right or wrong. It just is what it is. Yes Eberflus should've gone for more yards, but the refs also should've thrown flags when the rules were broken, even if the guys were pushed into the center the guy is still blatantly pushing guys in the back right in front of the referee, who turns his head, I guess to watch the kick instead of throwing the flag

 

[Calebs Revenge]

And again, yes, they should've made more plays during the game and they should've won but what's the point of having rules if we're just gonna ignore them. I can lose with Grace.
I thought I did yesterday after a few hard minutes......but having seen the replay, we got cheated, not whining, not crying, just stating a fact.

 

[Calebs Revenge]

Wouldn't do this in the playoffs, you guys push somebody in the back on a field goal and it comes back to bite to bite y'all in the *** bc you got away with it all year. Karma a m.f.er.

 

[Calebs Revenge]

I'm done. Love y'all '

 

[Voyageur]

And this is not sour grapes. It's just a fact on both kicks. You guys hit the long snapper which is illegal and you got a guy pushing guys in the back the AND for anyone wanting to say nuh uh....the one guy even admitted to pushing the guy who blocked the kick in the back during the post game press conference!!!!!!
Bad to lose.....worse to be cheated but it is what it is.
"if you ain't cheating, you ain't trying" lol.

I think you need to revisit your comment. The rule says you cannot line up over the snapper, but it doesn't say you can't go into that area after a blocker has made contact, and pushed your charge in that direction. I understand your feeling bad about losing, but you're totally wrong here. Sorry!

 

[Calebs Revenge]

You're still not addressing the blatant push in the back of the guy who jumped and eventually got the block

 

[Calebs Revenge]

Again y'all will keep doing it till you get flagged, but I'm telling you they may not flag you all season but if you do it in the playoffs, you're gonna get flagged

 

[Voyageur]

You're still not addressing the blatant push in the back of the guy who jumped and eventually got the block

There was no "blatant push in the back." If I thought there was, I'd agree with you.

What you should be mad about is why your kicker decided to kick the ball that low. He set himself up for the failure. In fact, his kick was so low I'm not certain it would have reached the cross bar anyway.

 

[Calebs Revenge]

then what is Pat pointing at. Looks like a push/lift which is........survey says......
ILLEGAL.
Go ahead and explain to me why my eyes are lying to me and Pat

 

[Calebs Revenge]

All I'm trying to say is it's a penalty anytime they wanna call it. They're not gonna do it all season but when and if y'all make the playoffs and you do this on a kick, it's gonna come back and bite y'all in the a.s.s.

 

[Calebs Revenge]

And Voyager we've had some good talks you know I respect you but as far as you agreeing or not agreeing with me, the guy that Pat is pointing at during his press conference he said "I pushed dude in the back" so you're not disagreeing with me you're disagreeing with your own player.

 

[Magooch]

And this is not sour grapes. It's just a fact on both kicks. You guys hit the long snapper which is illegal and you got a guy pushing guys in the back the AND for anyone wanting to say nuh uh....the one guy even admitted to pushing the guy who blocked the kick in the back during the post game press conference!!!!!!
Bad to lose.....worse to be cheated but it is what it is.
"if you ain't cheating, you ain't trying" lol.

Wrong and wrong again.

This isn’t college. You CAN hit the long snapper. Rule 12/3/1m,n. You CAN push a teammate as a defender. It doesn’t matter if he admitted to it because it’s a perfectly legal thing to admit to.

Again please read the rulebook.

 

[Curly Calhoun]

Thank you Rich Bisaccia.

Thank you Karl Brooks.

Thank you football gods for not being Bears fans.


Go Pack Go!

 

[Sanguine camper]

Sorry to be so jaded, but honestly... at this point, I'd be very nervous about Gute using a 1st round pick on a front 7 D, or any other D for that matter. I'm half-kidding here, so take this as just a wise-*** crack, but I almost wonder if he's better off taking a 1st round WR and trading him 2 years later for the DL or LB that someone else took in the 1st.

Again... not a serious suggestion... but not completely off the wall either.

I agree with you. Gute's track record in the first round is not good, especially on defense. I would love to see him trade the first round pick and stockpile 2nd round picks. I would trade the first and third round picks nearly every year and try to get 3 second rounders. The team's original 2nd round pick plus two that come in trades.

 

[OldSchool101]

then what is Pat pointing at. Looks like a push/lift which is........survey says......
ILLEGAL.
Go ahead and explain to me why my eyes are lying to me and Pat

Not sure what game you are watching? THIS is our game and the film does not lie. THERE IS NOONE PUSHING KARL INTO THE LS!!

The rule states you cannot line over LS which no one did.
The rule states you cannot make contact with the LS until he
1. Lifts his head (which he smartly kept it down)
2. 1 second into snap (which arguable 1 second lapsed)

That was a phantom appeal. This play was 100% within the rule. Karl blocked that ball with jumping on our getting pushed forward by over player.

 

[Calebs Revenge]

Like I said it is what it is, but I just really really really hope you guys try to block a kick exactly like this in the playoffs(if you get there) and when the yellow flag comes out and move them close.....plz you think of me ehh.

 

[Calebs Revenge]

The flag isn't for where 34 is lined up. It's for the dude that lifted and pushed the guy in the back which you're not allowed to do. I can remember clearest day again between the Bears and Packers years ago, where Erlacher pushed and lifted a guy and got called for it.

 

[OldSchool101]

The phantom push was your Bears Blocker pushing #90 across sideways and he barely brushed Karl Brooks. That will never be a flag and if it is it’s not an NFL rule.

You can even see the Bears helmet of the blocker shoving Lukas sideways. Hes slid behind brooks and brushed him as he fell down with 1 hand on #95 who was not involved in the block.

The rule was setup to keep Defenders from landing on the LS or using leverage such as jumping over him or onto another player. Or lifting or pushing him up. No one can AID the blocker or use the LS as leverage.
You are allowed to push the LS after 1 second which is exactly what happened. The ball was already snapped and waiting to be kicked.

No leverage was used on this play and it’s not even debatable. It’s a total fabricated breach by a team who continually blames everyone else rather than fixing its mistakes.

It was one Hel of a play by a Karl Brooks with sheer will and determination and he did it ALONE!

If anything there’s holding on the Bears player to the Right. He had a grasp of our jersey prohibiting a pass rush by holding and thus preventing him to leap to make a block. If that Bears blocker held us down any tighter they’d both be pregnant and making Wedding plans

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[Magooch]

The flag isn't for where 34 is lined up. It's for the dude that lifted and pushed the guy in the back which you're not allowed to do. I can remember clearest day again between the Bears and Packers years ago, where Erlacher pushed and lifted a guy and got called for it.

Again I’ll say: show me which rule says a DEFENDER cannot push or “lift” a teammate. I’ll wait.

 

[OldSchool101]

Again I’ll say: show me which rule says a DEFENDER cannot push or “lift” a teammate. I’ll wait.

THERE IS NO PUSH OR LIFT!! that’s Luka’s falling down sideways. He was being throttled by some Bears as he tried to power rush arms extended and was tripped sideways.

Total sore losers

This is the most desperate attempt for a non call that I’ve seen this season.
This HC has his head on the chopping block for failure to take accountability and Coach football. He’s rather blame everyone and this only leads to one thing.

More Failure and more finger pointing to others being at fault for a 4-game losing stretch.

After hearing this? I predict the Bears finish 6-11 or 5-12 after 6 or 7 game losing Run

 

[Magooch]

THERE IS NO PUSH OR LIFT!! that’s Luka’s falling down sideways. He was being throttled by some Bears as he tried to power rush arms extended and was tripped sideways.

To be fair LVN himself *did* say he got hands on Brooks and pushed him as best he could. But it doesn’t matter. It’s legal.

 

[OldSchool101]

To be fair LVN himself *did* say he got hands on Brooks and pushed him as best he could. But it doesn’t matter. It’s legal.

Oh well in that case.
Go Lukas!

 

[Calebs Revenge]

Oh well in that case.
Go Lukas!

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[Calebs Revenge]

Wrong and wrong again.

This isn’t college. You CAN hit the long snapper. Rule 12/3/1m,n. You CAN push a teammate as a defender. It doesn’t matter if he admitted to it because it’s a perfectly legal thing to admit to.

Again please read the rulebook.

Listen to Teddy Bruschi today/yesterday. He is yelling exactly what I said that the referees need to get on the same page with the special teams coordinators because what yall did was a penalty.
It is what it is.

 

[Magooch]

Listen to Teddy Bruschi today/yesterday. He is yelling exactly what I said that the referees need to get on the same page with the special teams coordinators because what yall did was a penalty.
It is what it is.

Once again: read the rulebook and get back to me. Did Bruschi say which rule was broken? Somehow I doubt it.
The only remotely debatable aspect here is whether or not one second elapsed between when the ball was snapped and the long snapper was engaged. The rest of it is perfectly legal. Pushing and “lifting” a fellow defender are not illegal.

Is there a reason you’re so opposed to actually showing me the rule that says otherwise? The rulebook is free and easy to find. I’ll even help you out:

See, wasn’t that easy?

(This is also a good reminder that AI is not infallible. If you actually took the time to look at the sources it used to generate that answer, you’d notice that they all refer specifically to circumstances involving aiding the ball carrier on offense, nothing to do with defenders.)