Thurs Bears game: Stopping Howard will be Key

[RRyder]

I don't expect any street free agent to be capable of performing at a level like Sitton by any means. But I definitely believe one of them would be an upgrade over McCray, Pankey or John.

And where I dissagree is that's far from a lock and in any case still wouldn't be starting this week

 

[Dantés]

There are definitely several names on the list that would present an upgrade over the "tackles" currently on the Packers roster.

Whoa, wait a minute.

"Definitely?"

Who??

I'm pretty plugged into the NFL and I haven't even heard of most of those guys. Most of those I have heard of are marked retired. Why would we be confident that any of them would be better or worse than the guys they're working with now? It would seem that they took stock of the FA's and practice squad candidates, liked what they'd seen best from Ulrick John, and signed him. You're telling me that you're super confident that some other no-name from that grab bag would definitely be better?

 

[RRyder]

I'd love to see Bennett traded for an OT. I think he has enough value that someone would want him.

This could be an idea. However no team is giving up a starter for him. So your looking for a quality backup for him to fill the gap. The risk comes from if Bulaga/Bakhtiari come back n stay healthy you just traded one of Rodgers weapons for a guy that's not playing.

Worth exploring. Simply pointing out other angles to look at it

 

[Mondio]

Whoa, wait a minute.

"Definitely?"

Who??

I'm pretty plugged into the NFL and I haven't even heard of most of those guys. Most of those I have heard of are marked retired. Why would we be confident that any of them would be better or worse than the guys they're working with now? It would seem that they took stock of the FA's and practice squad candidates, liked what they'd seen best from Ulrick John, and signed him. You're telling me that you're super confident that some other no-name from that grab bag would definitely be better?

if it can continue beating their drum against Ted, then the answer is "definitely" YES!

 

[Dantés]

To be clear, if one's contention is that they should bring in Oher or Albert for a look-see, I get it and I agree that they should do that. Will Beatty is the only other name that appears to be worth kicking the tires on. But Oher and Albert are coming off of some really weird situations re: concussions and maybe not wanting to actually play football, so they're far from slam dunk options. I'm not trying to say that there's no possible avenues out there. Really, my main point is that it's crazy to me to think that TT should have somehow seen this coming, and that fans may easily overestimate how much OT help is actually out there.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

the word dumb is probably used because a newly acquired player, especially one that hasn't suited up for anyone so far this season, is extremely unlikely to suit up and play on a days practice with his new team. Even a guy like Quinton Dial, who plays in the same type defense and was signed on a Tuesday and was not activated for the game day roster until week 2. That's usually the case and for good reason.

The Packers weren't missing their top four players on the depth chart on the defensive line entering this season in week 1 though.

 

[RRyder]

The Packers weren't missing their top four players on the depth chart on the defensive line entering this season in week 1 though.

Your also talking about a position where they can rotate him in with spot duty play untill he can gain a better understanding of the terminology versus the OL where your playing every snap.

Not even getting to the point that Dial is also in all likelihood better at what he does then any OL on the FA market right now a team isn't going to sign a guy, let him practice once and then have him play 60+ snaps which would be the case if you wanted to start any OL brought in. Sorry. That's just not happening.

(You brought up Sitton earlier but once again no player available has the natural ability to just over come that handicap)

 

[Mondio]

To be clear, if one's contention is that they should bring in Oher or Albert for a look-see, I get it and I agree that they should do that. Will Beatty is the only other name that appears to be worth kicking the tires on. But Oher and Albert are coming off of some really weird situations re: concussions and maybe not wanting to actually play football, so they're far from slam dunk options. I'm not trying to say that there's no possible avenues out there. Really, my main point is that it's crazy to me to think that TT should have somehow seen this coming, and that fans may easily overestimate how much OT help is actually out there.

Your also talking about a position where they can rotate him in with spot duty play untill he can gain a better understanding of the terminology versus the OL where your playing every snap.

Not even getting to the point that Dial is also in all likelihood better at what he does then any OL on the FA market right now a team isn't going to sign a guy, let him practice once and then have him play 60+ snaps which would be the case if you wanted to start any OL brought in. Sorry. That's just not happening.

(You brought up Sitton earlier but once again no player available has the natural ability to just over come that handicap)

2 excellent responses to the situation that faces GB right now. Measured, thoughtful and realistic

 

[Deleted member 6794]

I'd love to see Bennett traded for an OT. I think he has enough value that someone would want him.

I highly doubt the Packers are interested in trading Bennett and to be honest there's no reason to give him up for a tackle most likely ending up being a stopgap.

And where I dissagree is that's far from a lock and in any case still wouldn't be starting this week

Whoa, wait a minute.

"Definitely?"

Who??

I'm pretty plugged into the NFL and I haven't even heard of most of those guys. Most of those I have heard of are marked retired. Why would we be confident that any of them would be better or worse than the guys they're working with now? It would seem that they took stock of the FA's and practice squad candidates, liked what they'd seen best from Ulrick John, and signed him. You're telling me that you're super confident that some other no-name from that grab bag would definitely be better?

It's ridiculous to suggest a veteran tackle that has started for several seasons at the position wouldn't be an upgrade over a journeyman that was signed to be a backup on the interior of the offensive line as well as an undrafted rookie that was promoted from the practice squad solely because of injuries.

Really, my main point is that it's crazy to me to think that TT should have somehow seen this coming, and that fans may easily overestimate how much OT help is actually out there.

I haven't read any comment within the last few hours suggesting Thompson should have anticipated a rash of injuries at offensive tackle.

Your also talking about a position where they can rotate him in with spot duty play untill he can gain a better understanding of the terminology versus the OL where your playing every snap.

Not even getting to the point that Dial is also in all likelihood better at what he does then any OL on the FA market right now a team isn't going to sign a guy, let him practice once and then have him play 60+ snaps which would be the case if you wanted to start any OL brought in. Sorry. That's just not happening.

Once again, I'm absolutely convinced a veteran tackle would be capable of blocking an opposing pass rusher one-on-one without having in-depth knowledge of the offensive scheme.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

Packers inactives for tonight's game vs. the Bears:

Davon House
Devante Mays
Lenzy Pipkins
David Bakhtiari
Bryan Bulaga
Mike Daniels
Montravius Adams

 

[AmishMafia]

Packers 37 Bears 26

Packers exploit the Bears secondary easily move the ball. Bennett has his biggest day of his Packer career so far, motivated by the desire to stick it to his former team. Packer defense shuts down the Bears passing game. Look for the Packers to play Josh Jones and Barnett close to the line of scrimmage to shut down the running game.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

Look for the Packers to play Josh Jones and Barnett close to the line of scrimmage to shut down the running game.

I actually expect the Packers to use less of their nitro package to stop the Bears rushing attack.

 

[Carl 2]

Packers inactives for tonight's game vs. the Bears:

Davon House
Devante Mays
Lenzy Pipkins
David Bakhtiari
Bryan Bulaga
Mike Daniels
Montravius Adams

Some good in news in that we have Perry and Cobb back.

 

[PackerfaninCarolina]

I think with our tackles situation, we gotta use a lot of flare passes to Montgomery tonight

 

[Dantés]

It's ridiculous to suggest a veteran tackle that has started for several seasons at the position wouldn't be an upgrade over a journeyman that was signed to be a backup on the interior of the offensive line as well as an undrafted rookie that was promoted from the practice squad solely because of injuries.

I haven't read any comment within the last few hours suggesting Thompson should have anticipated a rash of injuries at offensive tackle.

Which ones? You said there were several guys on that list who would definitely be better. Who? The retirees?

The Thompson thing is where this started. So I was reiterated my original point.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

Which ones? You said there were several guys on that list who would definitely be better. Who? The retirees?

The Thompson thing is where this started. So I was reiterated my original point.

As I've mentioned before, Michael Oher is one of them. Just imagine, he has started more games in the league than the number of combined snaps McCray and Pankey have played. Other than him Albert, Kouandijo and Winston definitely would present an upgrade as well.

 

[Dantés]

As I've mentioned before, Michael Oher is one of them. Just imagine, he has started more games in the league than the number of combined snaps McCray and Pankey have played. Other than him Albert, Kouandijo and Winston definitely would present an upgrade as well.

If Oher and Albert are healthy and want to play, then I see it. The other guys I'm not convinced of. But I said as much in a post that I'm pretty sure you already responded to.

 

[swhitset]

This could be an idea. However no team is giving up a starter for him. So your looking for a quality backup for him to fill the gap. The risk comes from if Bulaga/Bakhtiari come back n stay healthy you just traded one of Rodgers weapons for a guy that's not playing.

Worth exploring. Simply pointing out other angles to look at it

lol after watching him drop everything thrown at him... I'm not sure he isn't a weapon for the opposing team.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

It seems like the Packers will line up Lane Taylor at left tackle with Lucas Patrick playing left guard and Justin McCray starting at right tackle.

 

[kevans74]

the only thing that worries me is the injuries every year...

WTF is up with TT and scouting for injury risks and the conditioning in the offseason????

this is insane

can we get Brett to come back to show an example to play through/with pain?

 

[kevans74]

To be clear, if one's contention is that they should bring in Oher or Albert for a look-see, I get it and I agree that they should do that. Will Beatty is the only other name that appears to be worth kicking the tires on. But Oher and Albert are coming off of some really weird situations re: concussions and maybe not wanting to actually play football, so they're far from slam dunk options. I'm not trying to say that there's no possible avenues out there. Really, my main point is that it's crazy to me to think that TT should have somehow seen this coming, and that fans may easily overestimate how much OT help is actually out there.

of course TT didn't see it coming

having your franchise caliber LT injured so soon isn't exactly on anyone's "wish list" right?

Bulaga, i've liked him since college, but he's ALWAYS been an INJURY risk.... let's be honest here....


I'm really just starting to question WTF was the Spriggs pick for now? Seems like another complete miss, much like Sherrod

God... I mean.... just awful

 

[Jerellh528]

That ball touched his foot

 

[Patriotplayer90]

My goodness, these injuries. I actually like what I'm seeing out of Jones. Rodgers looks otherworldly, line looks awful.

 

[Carl 2]

So the concerns about TT not picking up "better" veteran OTs for this game were overblown.

 

[Sunshinepacker]

I mean, if you want to bring up PFF's grades on pass blocking with a small sample size, certainly we can bring up Williams' rush per attempt is at 4.2 v.s. 3.0 for Montgomery. I don't put any weight into that, because Williams has only rushed the ball 4 times. But it makes about as much sense as you trusting PFF's grade for pass blocking.

I'm basing my opinion on Williams' pass blocking off of what I seen him produce in college, albeit sparingly as I didn't watch every game, and based on what the coaching staff and Rodgers and others have pointed out during the offseason, and based on what I've seen from Montgomery with my own eyes through the first 3 games. He's almost gotten ARod killed on multiple occasions where he's either failed to pick up a blitzer when he should have (not understanding what his responsibility is), or totally demonstrating a lack of skill to effectively keep the blitzer in question from reaching Rodgers' grill when he does pick it up.

I think if nothing else, Williams needs to see some more action either through getting an entire drive, or by rotating in and out with Montgomery. I don't feel comfortable with Ty's current work load, and again, in a short week, I think it would be the smart move to give Williams more snaps.

I think you missed the part where i pointed out the small sample size in my original post. But thank you for bringing it up again! As we all know, college pass blocking translates very well to the NFL and the coaches on the team, who see these guys about a thousand times more often than we do, must not realize that fact. We should send them a letter to tell them that Williams is better at pass blocking. Who knows, maybe the coaches will be so appreciative of the assistance they'll send us some free bobble heads!

Would it be nice if Ty didn't have to play more offensive snaps than any other RB in football? Yeah, but that only tells me the coaches must have a reason for not putting Williams on the field.

(Un)luckily, it doesn't seem that this conversation is going to matter too much since bother are now injured, so that's good-ish?