The offense must run through Jones and Dillon

[OldSchool101]

I believe another factor to consider is the offensive line. Sometimes that is what makes defending the run difficult just as stopping the runner.

I think we forget this. Several years ago we were one of the top OL in the business and that had a dramatic impact on our overall O success.
We’ve definitely got the talent to be a top 5 unit again. We will need some relative help on the injury front but keeping Bak on the field is a key component to overall success. All the other positions on that OL fall into place when he’s healthy. Even Myers benefits from having 2 Guards who are regulars.

 

[Voyageur]

The "full playbook" consists of the plays that the coaches believe they can run with the personnel they have. Everything else is theoretically possible to be included in the playbook, assuming they end up with people who can run it.

In the case of Love, his playbook will consist of a lot of what Rodgers had in his, but there were be some of his own plays, and some of those Rodgers had will be scrapped.

It's annoying listening to reporters ask if a guy will be using "the whole playbook," when the answer the coach will automatically give is; "Sure! He's ready." That doesn't tell anyone anything.

Then there's the fact that each "game plan" includes a book of plays (see? Playbook.) that they will employ against the next opponent. Some coaching staffs, but not all of them, also have an "emergency playbook" which they can use, if the QB goes down and they have to put the guy in who usually sits on the bench polishing his clown shoes. Can't expect him to run the same stuff, when he ain't capable. That's asking for trouble.

When I was coaching, I'd have a game plan, but we'd practice my sending in plays from the sideline, with special instructions, on every down, if key players were out of the game. When you practice it enough, the players get with the program pretty easily. I'd also go to it if the opponent was stifling our game plan. Fortunately, I was lucky enough to have players who understood the concept, and won with it.

I think any coach that has an ego so big that he believes his "game plan" is always a winner is being kind of foolish. You need to plan for the unexpected.

 

[Poppa San]

Yeah I hope not, but if TOP is something like 10/20, Packers/Opponent, then the D will be tired for the rest of the game. These guys are well-conditioned athletes, but they are gonna get tired when they're giving it all on every snap and they can't get off the field.

No reason for the defense to get tired if they go 3 and out every series. They aren't tired to start the game. When the offense has 60 plays in 15 drives, the defense should be able to match that. IF they want to be considered a good defense.

It's annoying listening to reporters ask if a guy will be using "the whole playbook," when the answer the coach will automatically give is; "Sure! He's ready." That doesn't tell anyone anything.

Before the game would you rather MLF say "The QB can't hit the broadside of a barn rolling left so we just don't call those plays?"

 

[Voyageur]

No reason for the defense to get tired if they go 3 and out every series. They aren't tired to start the game. When the offense has 60 plays in 15 drives, the defense should be able to match that. IF they want to be considered a good defense.

Before the game would you rather MLF say "The QB can't hit the broadside of a barn rolling left so we just don't call those plays?"

It has nothing to do with what I prefer hearing anyone say. Where did you get that impression? Each game there's a list of plays that are essentially "the playbook" for that game. That's what they choose from on almost all downs. At times, they might go off the board, but it's the exception to the rule.

 

[OldSchool101]

It has nothing to do with what I prefer hearing anyone say. Where did you get that impression? Each game there's a list of plays that are essentially "the playbook" for that game. That's what they choose from on almost all downs. At times, they might go off the board, but it's the exception to the rule.

I agree they ask some stupid questions. It’s like that reporter ? Mr.Gray asking Pete Rose about personal stuff sometimes, they probably want to reach out grab their neck and strangle them to the ground from the looks on their face
One thing I can’t stand is when reporters ask a question and we (the audience) can’t hear the question. What type of reporter only allows you to hear one side of a 2 party interview?

 

[gopkrs]

Before the game would you rather MLF say "The QB can't hit the broadside of a barn rolling left so we just don't call those plays?"

I hope that doesn't remain true. That is something Rodgers excels at. Mahomes too. I hope Love can learn to do that. I believe you can practice that twist of the body.

 

[gopkrs]

It has nothing to do with what I prefer hearing anyone say. Where did you get that impression? Each game there's a list of plays that are essentially "the playbook" for that game. That's what they choose from on almost all downs. At times, they might go off the board, but it's the exception to the rule.

If the game plan is not working; I hope they go deeper in the total playbook. I mean, they get a book of plays. Not a book for each team. I understand what you mean about the game plan each Sunday. But if they just aren't scoring or moving the ball well...they better trash that plan. Just like I truly hope the D learns how to adjust.

 

[Curly Calhoun]

If the game plan is not working; I hope they go deeper in the total playbook. I mean, they get a book of plays. Not a book for each team. I understand what you mean about the game plan each Sunday. But if they just aren't scoring or moving the ball well...they better trash that plan. Just like I truly hope the D learns how to adjust.

Every coach has a game plan...The mark of a superior coach is how well they make adjustments during the game.

I expect Green Bay's offense to struggle early in the season due to a lack of experience at quarterback and pass catchers....I expect that they show improvement in that area as the season wears on, and eventually expand the playbook and add complexity. If they can do all that and avoid devastating injuries, this can end up being a very productive and even explosive offense by season's end. The talent is there, I believe - It just needs to be developed.

 

[SudsMcBucky]

Here's my main concern about considering trading Dillon. If we're trying to find out what we really have in Love, would he be getting a fair shot and showing it if we're trading away a decent weapon and leaving him with Jones and a bunch of rookies and 2nd year guys at WR/TE? I think he'd almost be setting up for failure.

 

[tynimiller]

Here's my main concern about considering trading Dillon. If we're trying to find out what we really have in Love, would he be getting a fair shot and showing it if we're trading away a decent weapon and leaving him with Jones and a bunch of rookies and 2nd year guys at WR/TE? I think he'd almost be setting up for failure.

This OL and roster is not so weak that I don't think a decently intelligent staff would not be able to tell what Love is with or without Dillon.

Now the normal fan, they'll judge him solely on his statlines or some even more ignorantly on just Ws and Ls.

 

[OldSchool101]

This OL and roster is not so weak that I don't think a decently intelligent staff would not be able to tell what Love is with or without Dillon.

Now the normal fan, they'll judge him solely on his statlines or some even more ignorantly on just Ws and Ls.

We have the best evidence ever of this.
Wins and Losses had little to nothing to do with 2008 Aaron Rodgers and much to do with other phases that were struggling mightily. I think that O was ranked #14 in Aaron’s first starting season. Although he had more concrete, established veterans across that Offense so attaining that area would be on the optimistic side.
I still say lean a little more on your more experienced players earlier in the season. That includes AJ+AJ first n foremost.

Probably not an ideal time to part with RB2 though. The other part is most young QB’s perform better with consistency around them. Stripping Dillon away would adversely affect continuity. He’s the second most tenured O weapon we have and we’re already one of the least experienced O rosters in the league. It’d have to be something stupid like Dillon and a 5th for a 2nd rounder. I actually believe Dillon is one area we could ramp up extensively as he played against stacked boxes all through college and his receiving game hadn’t been fully exploited imo.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Dalvin Cook and little known Alexander Mattison combined for 3944 all-purpose yards in 2021 and 2022. That was with Cook only playing 13 games in 2021. In 2020, Cook alone had 1918 yds.

Again, not to take anything away from AJ X 2, but a lot of teams have 2 players that combine for 2000 all purpose rushing and receiving yards each season. Heck, Justin Fields (QB) and Montgomery had a combined 2,260 rushing and receiving total last season.

Speaking of Dalvin Cook, the Jets released him today. Might be a fun pickup for the Packers.

Jets release Dalvin Cook after signing him as highest-paid free agent running back this offseason

The New York Jets are releasing running back Dalvin Cook after signing him to the most lucrative free agent contract at the position this offseason.

www.foxnews.com

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

https://x.com/KenIngalls/status/1742269675726057558

https://x.com/KenIngalls/status/1742272195265544273

 

[milani]

Speaking of Dalvin Cook, the Jets released him today. Might be a fun pickup for the Packers.

Jets release Dalvin Cook after signing him as highest-paid free agent running back this offseason

The New York Jets are releasing running back Dalvin Cook after signing him to the most lucrative free agent contract at the position this offseason.

www.foxnews.com

The Vikings did miss Cook's offense this year. Right now I do not see anyone going after him unless their backfield gets wiped out. Be interesting next season to see where he lands.

 

[Heyjoe4]

Speaking of Dalvin Cook, the Jets released him today. Might be a fun pickup for the Packers.

Jets release Dalvin Cook after signing him as highest-paid free agent running back this offseason

The New York Jets are releasing running back Dalvin Cook after signing him to the most lucrative free agent contract at the position this offseason.

www.foxnews.com

That surprises me a little. As far as I remember, he was a very good back with the Queens. He was also expensive and the Jets could use that money on the OL. And I think they have a feature back, right? Ummm, Breece Hall?

 

[Heyjoe4]

The Vikings did miss Cook's offense this year. Right now I do not see anyone going after him unless their backfield gets wiped out. Be interesting next season to see where he lands.

Yeah ideally he'd find a playoff team now. But most playoff teams probably have a solid running game and adding an impact player this late causes other problems with playbook knowledge, timing with QB and OL. Hard pass on this at least until next season.

I expect Jones and Dillon will be back and there will be no need for a 3rd feature back.

 

[Heyjoe4]

Speaking of Dalvin Cook, the Jets released him today. Might be a fun pickup for the Packers.

Jets release Dalvin Cook after signing him as highest-paid free agent running back this offseason

The New York Jets are releasing running back Dalvin Cook after signing him to the most lucrative free agent contract at the position this offseason.

www.foxnews.com

It's interesting to consider, but probably only if Jones of Dillon goes down. It did look like Dillon hurt his already broken thumb, and Cook is a big guy - power runner like Dillon. So who knows? I don't know if there are other playoff teams in need of a RB.

 

[Curly Calhoun]

Speaking of Dalvin Cook, the Jets released him today. Might be a fun pickup for the Packers.

Jets release Dalvin Cook after signing him as highest-paid free agent running back this offseason

The New York Jets are releasing running back Dalvin Cook after signing him to the most lucrative free agent contract at the position this offseason.

www.foxnews.com

No room for him on the current roster. If the Jets don't want him, he's likely lost a step.

 

[milani]

Yeah ideally he'd find a playoff team now. But most playoff teams probably have a solid running game and adding an impact player this late causes other problems with playbook knowledge, timing with QB and OL. Hard pass on this at least until next season.

I expect Jones and Dillon will be back and there will be no need for a 3rd feature back.

Still like to see more of Walker.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Still like to see more of Walker.

Walker? Maybe you mean Wilson?

No doubt that signing Dalvin Cook would be a wildcard factor. He doesn't know the playbook, maybe guys like Patrick Taylor feel slighted, but who is the better RB? No doubt in my mind Cook is better than anyone on the team not named Aaron Jones.

What you would get in Cook is a guy that is hungry for another contract and maybe only a few games to show what he has. Cook was one of the top backs in the NFL and at the age of 28, he should still have a lot of tread on his tires. Of course he wasn't all that good with the Jets, who has been?

Anyway, I expect the Packers to beat the Bears on Sunday and face either the Lions or Cowboys in Week 1, both games would be on Turf and indoors, perfect conditions for Cook. Aaron Jones has been in and out of the lineup and Dillon is still playing with a broken thumb, nothing like a quality 3rd RB, with a chip on his shoulder and at a cheap price.

 

[milani]

Walker? Maybe you mean Wilson?

No doubt that signing Dalvin Cook would be a wildcard factor. He doesn't know the playbook, maybe guys like Patrick Taylor feel slighted, but who is the better RB? No doubt in my mind Cook is better than anyone on the team not named Aaron Jones.

What you would get in Cook is a guy that is hungry for another contract and maybe only a few games to show what he has. Cook was one of the top backs in the NFL and at the age of 28, he should still have a lot of tread on his tires. Of course he wasn't all that good with the Jets, who has been?

Anyway, I expect the Packers to beat the Bears on Sunday and face either the Lions or Cowboys in Week 1, both games would be on Turf and indoors, perfect conditions for Cook. Aaron Jones has been in and out of the lineup and Dillon is still playing with a broken thumb, nothing like a quality 3rd RB, with a chip on his shoulder and at a cheap price.

Sorry. Wilson. If you sign someone like Cook it would have been earlier in a season. Like the 9ers getting McCaffrey. A perfect year when we needed to sign a back was in 2010 when Ryan Grant went down in Week One. Starks did not come back until the second half and our running game was missing even though it was a SB year.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Sorry. Wilson. If you sign someone like Cook it would have been earlier in a season. Like the 9ers getting McCaffrey. A perfect year when we needed to sign a back was in 2010 when Ryan Grant went down in Week One. Starks did not come back until the second half and our running game was missing even though it was a SB year.

I would still be fine seeing the Packers kick the tires on Cook. I believe that because it is after the trade deadline, he must go through waivers. That puts the Packers in a decent position to grab him, over other playoff teams.

If nothing else, it gives the Packers and Cook a mini-tryout for 2024. At the right price, a tandem of Jones and Cook, would be awesome!

"While Cook struggled to make an impact for the Jets (292 scrimmage yards, 3.2 yards per carry), he's still a four-time Pro Bowler who tallied 1,468 scrimmage yards last season. Cook was also rarely used in New York, meaning he should be as fresh as a veteran ball-carrier could be in January."

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[mradtke66]

I wouldn't mind bringing him in, with a few caveats.

I don't think any of the other playoff bound teams are looking for a RB, so offer him a spot on the practice squad. That'd give you this week to bring him up to speed and give him a few packages/plays to focus on.

For the Bears week, if Dillon has any lingering issues and Cook understands enough of the offense, elevate Cook to the active 53. You get a chance to evaluate him in a game, but you still have Jones and Wilson to do most of the heavy lifting.

Assuming we win, you either continue to promote him or sign him to the 53 for real if we have an injury and we need.

In short, he'd be cheap insurance.

 

[Heyjoe4]

Does anyone know why the Queens let Cook go in the first place? And 28 is actually pretty old for a RB. Although neither **** or Jones strike me as guys who have lost much, if anything, due to age and number of snaps.

 

[milani]

I would still be fine seeing the Packers kick the tires on Cook. I believe that because it is after the trade deadline, he must go through waivers. That puts the Packers in a decent position to grab him, over other playoff teams.

If nothing else, it gives the Packers and Cook a mini-tryout for 2024. At the right price, a tandem of Jones and Cook, would be awesome!

"While Cook struggled to make an impact for the Jets (292 scrimmage yards, 3.2 yards per carry), he's still a four-time Pro Bowler who tallied 1,468 scrimmage yards last season. Cook was also rarely used in New York, meaning he should be as fresh as a veteran ball-carrier could be in January."

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Cook with a better O line and a QB named Rodgers would still have put up those numbers. And after watching the Vikings this year I can say they missed him. Even with Hall at QB a defense could not ignore DC.