The Case for Paying Aaron Jones

[tynimiller]

If you go King instead of Jones...i think there is enough left to resign Lane who may step back into starting role if Wagner and Turner are cap casualties

 

[McKnowledge]

I think that's how Gluten is leaning as well. And RBs have shorter shelf lives than DBs, so yeah, between the two, keep King.

Next year Jaire Alexander is up for an extension and between Alexander and King, who should stay is an easy choice. In my humble opinion, extend Bahktiari and Jones. There is a proposal for a flat cap, with no increase or decrease in change.

https://sportsnaut.com/2020/07/nflpa-proposes-flat-salary-cap-for-2021-nfl-season/#:~:text=However%2C%20due%20to%20the%20COVID,be%20kept%20at%20%24198.2%20million

Secure the core players now. Maximize next year's draft. Skip free agents of 2021 and wait until the 2022 off-season when the salary cap hopefully jumps a lot.

https://overthecap.com/calculator/green-bay-packers/

 

[PikeBadger]

No, Dillon might have the potential to be a good receiver, but he wouldn't be third-string if he was an excellent runner and good receiver too.

Was Jones 3rd string at the beginning of his rookie year?

 

[PikeBadger]

I think that's how Gluten is leaning as well. And RBs have shorter shelf lives than DBs, so yeah, between the two, keep King.

Assuming that Alexander continues his upward trend I don’t see the Packers paying as much as other teams are willing to for King to be their #1 CB. I think King is likely to play himself out of town.

 

[thequick12]

Was Jones 3rd string at the beginning of his rookie year?

Yes

 

[thequick12]

If you go King instead of Jones...i think there is enough left to resign Lane who may step back into starting role if Wagner and Turner are cap casualties

If lane Taylor starts and plays well this season how much do you think he could get on open market? And how much less than the 12 m per that Jones is likely to get do you think king would command. The minimum I see king getting is 10 m per and honestly that number might be low. I get king is not jalen ramsey (21m per) but how far behind is he, certainly king is much better than half as good as ramsey

That is provided king stays healthy and puts up 4 or more picks again...

 

[RRyder]

If lane Taylor starts and plays well this season how much do you think he could get on open market? And how much less than the 12 m per that Jones is likely to get do you think king would command. The minimum I see king getting is 10 m per and honestly that number might be low. I get king is not jalen ramsey (21m per) but how far behind is he, certainly king is much better than half as good as ramsey

That is provided king stays healthy and puts up 4 or more picks again...

1: Its probably not a great i dea to use the Ramsey contract as a guage for King

2: I don't think you fully appreciate just how good Ramsey is with that last part.

 

[thequick12]

1: Its probably not a great i dea to use the Ramsey contract as a guage for King

2: I don't think you fully appreciate just how good Ramsey is with that last part.

First im not comparing king to ramsey as equals...I'm saying king is in the tier below.

So king has played 30 of 48 games in 3 years, ramsey has played 60/64 games in 4 years. On one hand that means ramsey is very available and king less than ideally available. But how many more ints do you think ramsey has in those 30 extra games? Ramsey has 10 to kings 6.

Once again I'm not saying they on the same level I'm just saying king is gonna get paid a lot of money in free agency next year if he puts together a similar season to 2019. He's an athletic 6-3 corner with above average ball skills. With an identical season to 2019, 5 picks 15 pds I'd guess hed get around 15 m per from someone and net the Packers a 3rd round comp pick

 

[PikeBadger]

Yes

Interesting how it tends to work that way. Generally takes a while to get acclimated to the men’s league. Need to give Dillon time to develop as well.

 

[PikeBadger]

1: Its probably not a great i dea to use the Ramsey contract as a guage for King

2: I don't think you fully appreciate just how good Ramsey is with that last part.

Had to giggle when I saw Ramsey’s reported extension numbers. Extraordinary payout with about 75% guaranteed in a cap environment that possibly could be viewed as stagnant for seasons 20-22. Very, very risky imo.

Thank you Russ Ball for keeping the guaranteed portions of our contracts to generally around 30-35% for most of our players. He’s earned his rep among agents for being a tough nut to crack. I’m proud he’s in our camp.

 

[PikeBadger]

First im not comparing king to ramsey as equals...I'm saying king is in the tier below.

So king has played 30 of 48 games in 3 years, ramsey has played 60/64 games in 4 years. On one hand that means ramsey is very available and king less than ideally available. But how many more ints do you think ramsey has in those 30 extra games? Ramsey has 10 to kings 6.

Once again I'm not saying they on the same level I'm just saying king is gonna get paid a lot of money in free agency next year if he puts together a similar season to 2019. He's an athletic 6-3 corner with above average ball skills. With an identical season to 2019, 5 picks 15 pds I'd guess hed get around 15 m per from someone and net the Packers a 3rd round comp pick

You might be right on the 15M per year. It only takes one overeager and desperate GM to pull the trigger in those first 48 hours of free agency. I’d be floored if the Packers would even consider it though.

 

[Sunshinepacker]

Was Jones 3rd string at the beginning of his rookie year?

Yes, was Jones a 2nd round pick?

 

[Mondio]

Yes, was Jones a 2nd round pick?

No, but he was behind a fellow rookie and a converted WR.

I’d say Williams and Jones are levels above the quality of RB we had in 2017.

 

[thequick12]

Yes, was Jones a 2nd round pick?

Dillon wasn't a 2nd round pick either, the Packers just chose to take him in 2nd. Haha just kidding but not really

Don't worry man dillon is gonna get some touches no matter where he's listed on the depth chart.

And once again dillon is the backup to Aaron jones. There's no way jamal williams would be the feature back over dillon

 

[tynimiller]

As I stated earlier in discussions with Dillon's draft position.

This 3rd string dog crap....folks Adams came in as a "3rd string" WR behind Nelson and Cobb.

I get it, some feel Dillon was a waste of a pick, others (raise my hand very high) think it wasn't the pick for that spot....but folks step back from the ledge and allow unbias thoughts to filter in.

**and before anyone claims I said as much, I am not stating Dillon is going to become arguably one of the top 3-5 guys at his position as Davante arguably has accomplished by making this statement.

 

[XPack]

Jones is if anything underutilized. He can catch balls more and that hasn't been utilized well. I hope we retain Jones.

Everytime, we get a star player who deserves a raise, we get a rinse and repeat of this conversation. If only we can field a team of bargain basement finds and win a SB....

 

[tynimiller]

Oh my word some of you I swear.......so I guess now Aaron Jones was a first round draft pick, Donald Driver a first round draft pick....Blake Martinez a 2nd/3rd rounder and Aaron Rodgers the first pick overall....

Dillon was and is a 2nd round pick.

 

[tynimiller]

Jones is if anything underutilized. He can catch balls more and that hasn't been utilized well. I hope we retain Jones.

Everytime, we get a star player who deserves a raise, we get a rinse and repeat of this conversation. If only we can field a team of bargain basement finds and win a SB....

I don't disagree at all...but it isn't as simple as pointing at him and saying "He good, re-sign"

We (organization) has gambled on rolling money elsewhere over keeping certain guys over the years...sometimes we've failed miserably in the gamble, other times it was the right decision. This decision I know is the first time I'm very mixed personally on.

 

[gopkrs]

Jones is if anything underutilized. He can catch balls more and that hasn't been utilized well. I hope we retain Jones.

Everytime, we get a star player who deserves a raise, we get a rinse and repeat of this conversation. If only we can field a team of bargain basement finds and win a SB....

I agree mostly. He caught 50 passes last year. That is pretty good. I don't want to use him up. We have two other backs that should be able spell him. If we sign him; we are in it for the long haul.

 

[Mavster]

As I stated earlier in discussions with Dillon's draft position.

The difference being a 3rd string receiver can and will be on the field at the same time with the #1 and #2 WRs.

That is not the case with running backs.

And no, this is not me saying Dillon is some bum. I hope and expect he takes Williams touches.

 

[GleefulGary]

The difference being a 3rd string receiver can and will be on the field at the same time with the #1 and #2 WRs.

That is not the case with running backs.

And no, this is not me saying Dillon is some bum. I hope and expect he takes Williams touches.

We'll see plenty of packages with multiple rb's on the field.

 

[Jerellh528]

I dunno if they’ll re-sign Jones, but I doubt it. Jones doesn’t seem like the type of back they want to feature in this offense. I believe we’re going for a power run offense where a big back can continually wear down defenses and churn for yardage. Jones while having some great games last season disappeared too often. He’d have one game go for like 30 yards and then blow up for 150 a few games down the road. I think they would rather seen a consistent guy go for 75 yards a game than 20 one game and 120 the next. I’ve always thought Jones was more of an elite complimentary guy rather than a feature guy, he’s just not consistent enough of a runner. Wouldn’t be surprised if they spent a second rounder for Dillion to come in and be our feature back after jones is out of town.

 

[Heyjoe4]

Jones is if anything underutilized. He can catch balls more and that hasn't been utilized well. I hope we retain Jones.

Everytime, we get a star player who deserves a raise, we get a rinse and repeat of this conversation. If only we can field a team of bargain basement finds and win a SB....

Hey XPack, with all due respect, I disagree on Jones's utilization. He had 19 touchdowns last year, I think 15 were rushing and 4 were through the air. Not sure what more a guy can do. Or maybe I'm missing something in your comment.

 

[Heyjoe4]

Dillon wasn't a 2nd round pick either, the Packers just chose to take him in 2nd. Haha just kidding but not really

Don't worry man dillon is gonna get some touches no matter where he's listed on the depth chart.

And once again dillon is the backup to Aaron jones. There's no way jamal williams would be the feature back over dillon

I agree quick. The only reason dillon is listed behind Williams is that Dillon is a rookie. He should ascend to the #2 back by mid-season, and replace Jones next year if Jones walks.

 

[Heyjoe4]

If you go King instead of Jones...i think there is enough left to resign Lane who may step back into starting role if Wagner and Turner are cap casualties

Makes sense. I don't expect Turner to be around next year. We'll see about Wagner. Lane is a possibility, OR they take a RT early in the draft. FA would be too expensive.