Ted Thompson Era Should Be Over

[Mondio]

I didn't compare Brees and Rodgers, I compared the Packers and the Saints. Rodgers is clearly the better quarterback. Brees is clearly no slouch when it comes to the QB position. Had some good years left, had a very potent offense and they been relegated to the sidelines these days. Thought it might be beneficial for people to think about. But I knew before I typed it how it would be received. Next time I'll know better.

 

[brandon2348]

I didn't compare Brees and Rodgers, I compared the Packers and the Saints. Rodgers is clearly the better quarterback. Brees is clearly no slouch when it comes to the QB position. Had some good years left, had a very potent offense and they been relegated to the sidelines these days. Thought it might be beneficial for people to think about. But I knew before I typed it how it would be received. Next time I'll know better.

I can appreciate that but im not the guy in the chatbox typing "Fire Capers" every 10 seconds. ive actually been called a homer and optimistic on here more then not. I feel like I have legitimate concerns.

I dont think the Packers should spend money just to spend money but there are holes an IMO there gonna need more then the draft to get home field advatage and a 1st round by next year. Gotta play the AFC North and those games tend to be blood baths.

 

[Bagadeez04]

So if you have three job offers in three different parts of the country, you wouldn't consider location in trying to make your decision?

I'm hear what you're saying, but I would guess the biggest factor in a player deciding which offer to take is the money. I know it would be for me.

With the short window these guys have to make as much money as possible, location I don't believe is as big a deal as some might think. You have off seasons at home, and most will be out of football in their late twenties, early thirties...they can "retire" and still live in their preferred location at a very young age.

I guess what I'm saying is that if Ted were to "show them the money", Green Bay would be just fine with most free agents.

 

[Dantés]

All things being equal, sure. However, playing pro football for cruddy franchises in nice/active areas isn't the same as playing for the Packers in Green Bay. Job satisfaction has to be as big a factor as outside interests.

That could end up working out in GB's favor. It weeds out the guys who are just looking to get paid and then party. That seemed to be a big issue with the Chargers. Guys would get paid and then their performance would tank. The Packers aren't going to attract guys that aren't serious about football.

 

[7thFloorRA]

A certain running back that is constantly in milwaukee might fall into that category.

 

[Dantés]

A certain running back that is constantly in milwaukee might fall into that category.

You're gonna have to spell it out for me.

 

[7thFloorRA]

S A W F T

 

[Packer Brother]

Maybe the reason TT isn't "gone" is because Wolfe or that other dude isn't ready. In that case, why not " nudge" TT to retire, hire a president of all football ops ( Ala Favre, Parcells, Holmgren, Ron Wolfe) until they are ready ( 2- 3 years).

This accomplishes two things: Murphy will work strictly on the business side. Packers also bring in a respected mind.

Thoughts?

 

[longtimefan]

S A W F T

Whattttttttttt

Lol

Answer is who is Eddy Lacy

 

[longtimefan]

Maybe the reason TT isn't "gone" is because Wolfe or that other dude isn't ready. In that case, why not " nudge" TT to retire, hire a president of all football ops ( Ala Favre, Parcells, Holmgren, Ron Wolfe) until they are ready ( 2- 3 years).

This accomplishes two things: Murphy will work strictly on the business side. Packers also bring in a respected mind.

Thoughts?

There is legitimate talk of Brett doing something... Not sure what? I just heard it last week?

 

[Dblbogey]

It will be more of the same if we don't say heck with worrying about cap problems down the road. The time to win is now.

I suspect you would be screaming the loudest when the Packers have a few 4 win seasons as a result.

 

[adambr2]

I suspect you would be screaming the loudest when the Packers have a few 4 win seasons as a result.

Once Aaron Rodgers retires, that might be where we are headed either way unless an adequate replacement can somehow be quickly obtained. The current talent on this roster that TT has assembled isn't nearly good enough to even contend for a playoff spot if you remove the HOF caliber QB from the roster.

 

[7thFloorRA]

Rodgers should take TTs' hand and raise him. Hold out until he spends the majority of the cap. I would be livid as hell if he YET AGAIN rolls over 8-10 mil to the next years cap....just to not use it. You would be surprised how much 8-10 mil can buy you in the titletown district.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

everybody has different priorities in life. Plenty of players would love to come here, plenty would hate it and couldn't wait to leave town. Very few of them are worth it, or available. One thing I do know, if someone can help this team, at a price that makes sense, they'll be here. If those criteria don't fit, they won't.

I think it has more about managing the team and the cap than pride. Somebody brought up New Orleans before, and I think that would be a great situation to look at deeper. For everyone. Why are they where they are, why, with a great QB and offense have that been largely irrelevant and needing to clear away their best players just to unload salary?

Then couple that with the situation we find GB in this year. Coming off almost a decade of relevancy and a game short again of the super bowl we find ourselves with a fairly high priced player in Sam Shields (yes I think he can be counted as a FA signing of a sizeable contract, but if you don't want to, that's fine the example will still work) But we signed him to a sizable contract and now it looks like he won't contribute any more and has largely been absent from this team for a season and a half. Did it hurt this team? Of course it did. Will it devastate us? I guess it could, but at this point, we have flexibility and options in which to keep ourselves relevant. I trust this staff to keep us that way.

I see all the same people year after year after year saying what we should do, well you know what? New Orleans fate would look good compared to the situations most fans on this thread would have us in. Everyone needs to keep in mind that going "all in" has it's consequences. ala, the Saints. Everyone *****es about Ted and "wasting Rodgers" which i find laughable. You guys undervalue what it takes to win a Super Bowl daily in here. It's almost laughable how little respect some have for the title or what it takes to get there and win it.

The Saints are a perfect example of how not to use free agency. There's a smart way to do it though as well. Just take a look at the Patriots. They are going to their seventh Super Bowl while having a future HOF quarterback and have significant more cap space than the Packers entering this offseason.

Not using all methods to improve a roster is plain and simple stupid.

Rodgers should take TTs' hand and raise him. Hold out until he spends the majority of the cap. I would be livid as hell if he YET AGAIN rolls over 8-10 mil to the next years cap....just to not use it. You would be surprised how much 8-10 mil can buy you in the titletown district.

NFL teams need to save some cap space entering the season to replace players to be placed on injured reserve. I'm fine with rolling some cap space over into next season as well.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

Maybe the reason TT isn't "gone" is because Wolfe or that other dude isn't ready. In that case, why not " nudge" TT to retire, hire a president of all football ops ( Ala Favre, Parcells, Holmgren, Ron Wolfe) until they are ready ( 2- 3 years).

This accomplishes two things: Murphy will work strictly on the business side. Packers also bring in a respected mind.

Thoughts?

I would prefer the Packers to hire a general manager once the team decides to move on from Thompson or he walks away.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

McGinn's take on Thompson, whose formula for success fizzles according to him.

http://www.jsonline.com/story/sport...d-thompsons-formula-success-fizzles/97136720/

One thing is pretty interesting and I forgot about that transaction. Yeah, it was absolutely impossible to trade for a cornerback.

On Sept. 7, a few days after the final roster reduction, the New England Patriots probably were no better or worse than the Packers at cornerback. New England’s depth chart showed Malcolm Butler and Logan Ryan as starters followed by rookie Cyrus Jones, a second-round draft choice, and free agents Justin Coleman and Jonathan Jones.

The Patriots were interested in Eric Rowe, a cornerback that the Eagles had traded up to draft in the second round of the 2015 draft. The two teams agreed on a trade in which Rowe went to New England for a conditional fourth-round pick in 2018 that could improve to a third based on performance/playing time clauses.

Rowe, 6 feet ½ inch and 205 pounds, had been the 47th overall selection. At No. 30, the Packers’ pick had come down to Randall or Rowe.

For some reason, new Eagles defensive coordinator Jim Schwartz didn’t like Rowe. Maybe Bill Belichick knew that; he was the one who gave Schwartz his first NFL job 25 years earlier in Cleveland.

As the rest of the league slept, Belichick stole a first- or second-round talent for possibly a fourth-round pick.

Rowe, who has 4.41-second speed and a 39-inch vertical jump, turned out to be a valuable addition. Used primarily as a nickel back in his 452 snaps, his size and speed have helped produce the league’s No. 1 scoring defense.

 

[gonzozab]

McGinn's take on Thompson, whose formula for success fizzles according to him.

http://www.jsonline.com/story/sport...d-thompsons-formula-success-fizzles/97136720/

One thing is pretty interesting and I forgot about that transaction. Yeah, it was absolutely impossible to trade for a cornerback.

I was just about to post this. Bravo to McGinn for telling it like it is. I couldn't have wrote it any better.

 

[Poppa San]

Once Aaron Rodgers retires, that might be where we are headed either way unless an adequate replacement can somehow be quickly obtained. The current talent on this roster that TT has assembled isn't nearly good enough to even contend for a playoff spot if you remove the HOF caliber QB from the roster.

Yeah it's a good thing Denver had Peyton to carry them to the superbowl last season. This season proved their team is no better than ours without him. How far did that vaunted defense get in the playoffs this year again?

 

[Half Empty]

Don't follow other teams, but I thought I'd heard a lot about the defense changing for Denver from last year to this.

 

[Mondio]

McGinn's take on Thompson, whose formula for success fizzles according to him.

http://www.jsonline.com/story/sport...d-thompsons-formula-success-fizzles/97136720/

One thing is pretty interesting and I forgot about that transaction. Yeah, it was absolutely impossible to trade for a cornerback.

and that trade happened September 7th.

Just FYI, people were still saying this about guys like Randall a week after that trade occured,

Second-year cornerback Damarious Randall was all over the field in this one, as he prevented two receptions, including one pass breakup, had an impressive stop on a run play and registered a tackle even on special teams. While he was targeted six times in coverage, he allowed only two receptions for 13 yards.

McGinn likes his revisionist history as much as some others. I'm thankful I don't read his garbage. Create controversy to create readers, what a hack.

 

[Bagadeez04]

The Saints are a perfect example of how not to use free agency. There's a smart way to do it though as well. Just take a look at the Patriots. They are going to their seventh Super Bowl while having a future HOF quarterback and have significant more cap space than the Packers entering this offseason.

Not using all methods to improve a roster is plain and simple stupid.



NFL teams need to save some cap space entering the season to replace players to be placed on injured reserve. I'm fine with rolling some cap space over into next season as well.

I know it's not fair to compare to Patriots because they are just a leg up on everyone else with the Billicheck/Brady combo, but I am amazed at the good players they constantly trade away, and still are able to come back and be a Super Bowl caliber team every year.

What they are able to do with that roster is incredible. I don't understand how they are as good as they are.

 

[7thFloorRA]

What I can't process is what happens to the cap rollover the next year when you roll over some again. If you roll over 10 mill in 2015 and then roll over 8 mil in 2016......didn't you pretty much pocket 8 mil that Murphy can dump into that ridiculous monstrosity he is building?

 

[Bagadeez04]

and that trade happened September 7th.

Just FYI, people were still saying this about guys like Randall a week after that trade occured,

McGinn likes his revisionist history as much as some others. I'm thankful I don't read his garbage. Create controversy to create readers, what a hack.

I gotta say, I remember watching Randall all last year and wondering why he got so much praise. Yes he makes a nice play every now and again, but he just flat out gets beat a lot or is playing way too soft in coverage. I specifically remember Troy Aikman praising him last year as this great draft pick, and you realize that a lot of what these guys say and write is fed to them. A narrative was created last season that said Randall was playing great, was a great pick. From what I saw, he got beat constantly. Honestly I came away impressed with Rollins way more than Randall.

This year they both looked awful. People will look to injuries, but Randall just doesn't seem to have what it takes at this point. This next season will tell us a lot. Rollins looked worse than Randall which is saying something.

What I'm saying is its not surprising you can find someone who praises Randall at one point or another, but it was a mistake to go so young at corner. Can anyone doubt that? Should the organization learn from their mistakes so they don't make them again (only having two running backs on roster). It doesn't seem to be the MO of this organization. We will see.

 

[PackerfaninCarolina]

I gotta say, I remember watching Randall all last year and wondering why he got so much praise. Yes he makes a nice play every now and again, but he just flat out gets beat a lot or is playing way too soft in coverage. I specifically remember Troy Aikman praising him last year as this great draft pick, and you realize that a lot of what these guys say and write is fed to them. A narrative was created last season that said Randall was playing great, was a great pick. From what I saw, he got beat constantly. Honestly I came away impressed with Rollins way more than Randall.

This year they both looked awful. People will look to injuries, but Randall just doesn't seem to have what it takes at this point. This next season will tell us a lot. Rollins looked worse than Randall which is saying something.

What I'm saying is its not surprising you can find someone who praises Randall at one point or another, but it was a mistake to go so young at corner. Can anyone doubt that? Should the organization learn from their mistakes so they don't make them again (only having two running backs on roster). It doesn't seem to be the MO of this organization. We will see.

I think Randall just had a sophomore slump, no different than the one Davante Adams had. It's not uncommon in the NFL for 2nd year players of all positions to have.

 

[Bagadeez04]

I think Randall just had a sophomore slump, no different than the one Davante Adams had. It's not uncommon in the NFL for 2nd year players of all positions to have.

What I'm saying is he got beat a ton his rookie year, he got beat a ton his second year. That's not a slump, that's a pattern.

I understand he is young and he could progress into a solid corner, but the evidence from his first two seasons is that he tends to get beat an awful lot, and is a poor tackler.