Ted Thompson Era Should Be Over

[Deleted member 6794]

It's not an arbitrary timeframe. A big point on this thread has been Ted only gettin us to one SB with AR12. My point being that 1. It's not easy to do, and 2. Brady/Belichick have 1 ring in 12 years, since ARod entered the league.

Belichick has taken the Patriots to four Super Bowls since Thompson became the Packers general manager and it´s possible he wins his second one since 2005 on Sunday. There´s absolutely no doubt he´s the superior GM when comparing the two of them.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

I'm also not ignoring the fact that during the same exact time frame, when all other variables were as equal as they were going to get, they're fairly similar

I must have missed the Packers going to four Super Bowls as well as eight championship games (currently on a streak of six in a row) since Thompson became general manager. My bad.

 

[Mark Andrew Hooley]

And they played a whole bunch of awful QBs this year. 9 teams with losing records. They have again had an easy schedule. You won't convince me that in the last decade, the AFC East has been stronger than our division, or that the AFC hasn't been weaker generally. Doesn't matter how many Superbowls you go to if you are losing 2 of the last 3. My point specifically was about since Rodgers started, and he has the same as Brady under TT.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

My point specifically was about since Rodgers started, and he has the same as Brady under TT.

While you´re at it just eliminate the Patriots win in Super Bowl XLIX because of Carroll´s terrible play call to end the game and Rodgers has one more title than Brady since the last full solar eclipse in Greenland.

 

[Packer Brother]

Ted Thompson would be absolutely ran out of town in a NY, Boston, Philly market. He's lucky in that respect.

BB and TT shouldn't be mentioned in the same sentence. One is an average, egomaniac GM who won't do what's necessary in getting his team over the top. The other is a brilliant mind who will go down as one of the best.

Unless the Packers win at minimum another SB, nobody will look back on TT's tenure with fondness.

 

[Mark Andrew Hooley]

If they lose on Sunday, they will have lost 3 of their last 4 Superbowls. In more than a decade, they've won 1 Superbowl. I say that as it's instructive of how hard it is to win it all.

 

[Half Empty]

It's not an arbitrary timeframe. A big point on this thread has been Ted only gettin us to one SB with AR12. My point being that 1. It's not easy to do, and 2. Brady/Belichick have 1 ring in 12 years, since ARod entered the league.

If the point is to make comparisons of Brady/Belichick and AR/TT, perhaps looking at the first 12 years of each combo would eliminate the 'cherry-picking' aregment?

 

[Mark Andrew Hooley]

Why 12 years when AR12 only became our starter in 2008?

 

[Half Empty]

If they lose on Sunday, they will have lost 3 of their last 4 Superbowls. In more than a decade, they've won 1 Superbowl. I say that as it's instructive of how hard it is to win it all.

I don't think anyone has said it's not difficult to do. The problem for some of us is that it's easier with an elite QB, and I'm only interested in the Pack. Had they won the SB two of the three years after Holmgren/Favre, many would still be basking in that glory, even if there had been only one more since then. Heck, a lot of Packer fans reach back to Lombardi for their bragging right, and some all the way back to the beginning.

Also seems a little disingenuous to begin the post with the assumption of a loss on Sunday.

 

[Mark Andrew Hooley]

I said 'if they lose', not when they lose. A QB can't Do it all on their own though.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

I said 'if they lose', not when they lose. A QB can't Do it all on their own though.

True, the Packers have found that out over the last six seasons as the defense lacked talent.

 

[Half Empty]

I said 'if they lose', not when they lose. A QB can't Do it all on their own though.

Then why even begin a strawman about their SB record now? Or, to be fair, let's go with 'if they win Sunday, they'll have won two of the last three'.

 

[Mondio]

I must have missed the Packers going to four Super Bowls as well as eight championship games (currently on a streak of six in a row) since Thompson became general manager. My bad.

Oh, now other things count and it's not just about championships lol

And fairly similar doesn't meant exactly the same. And in that timeframe it's basically the Patriots with only GB being mentioned in the same sentence

 

[Mark Andrew Hooley]

I can't say I agree that the Defense has lacked talent though. Not completely. There's 4 First round picks rushing the passer. One of the best safety tandems in the league. A shut down corner. If anything, we've been very unlucky with injuries.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

And fairly similar doesn't meant exactly the same. And in that timeframe it's basically the Patriots with only GB being mentioned in the same sentence

Aside of the Steelers and Giants of course which have both won two Super Bowls during Thompson´s tenure as the Packers GM.

I can't say I agree that the Defense has lacked talent though. Not completely. There's 4 First round picks rushing the passer. One of the best safety tandems in the league. A shut down corner. If anything, we've been very unlucky with injuries.

The Packers have tried to invest a lot of early draft picks on defense by using the last five first rounders on that side of the ball but unfortunately that hasn´t resulted in a decent unit over the past six seasons.

 

[Mark Andrew Hooley]

Aside of the Steelers and Giants of course which have both won two Super Bowls during Thompson´s tenure as the Packers GM.



The Packers have tried to invest a lot of early draft picks on defense by using the last five first rounders on that side of the ball but unfortunately that hasn´t resulted in a decent unit over the past six seasons.

I think we were a more than decent unit on Defense in both 2011 and in 2014. This year we had huge injuries in our secondary. People need to give Randall and Rollins a chance when healthy. Clark and Daniels are beasts. I think we will sign a replacement for Shields. If we add a coverage LB and another pass rusher, we will be in very good shape. I fully expect it.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

I think we were a more than decent unit on Defense in both 2011 and in 2014. This year we had huge injuries in our secondary. People need to give Randall and Rollins a chance when healthy. Clark and Daniels are beasts. I think we will sign a replacement for Shields. If we add a coverage LB and another pass rusher, we will be in very good shape. I fully expect it.

The Packers defense was flat out terrible during the 2011 season, having allowed an NFL record in opponents passing yards that season. I agree the unit could at least perform on an above average level next season by adding a shutdown cornerback as well as an impact pass rusher in free agency this offseason but I don´t hold my breath on that happening.

 

[Mark Andrew Hooley]

Aside of the Steelers and Giants of course which have both won two Super Bowls during Thompson´s tenure as the Packers GM.



The Packers have tried to invest a lot of early draft picks on defense by using the last five first rounders on that side of the ball but unfortunately that hasn´t resulted in a decent unit over the past six seasons.

Except that the Giants nor Steelers have been to the playoffs 8 straight. Only us and that team from New England.

 

[Mark Andrew Hooley]

The Packers defense was flat out terrible during the 2011 season, having allowed an NFL record in opponents passing yards that season. I agree the unit could at least perform on an above average level next season by adding a shutdown cornerback as well as an impact pass rusher in free agency this offseason but I don´t hold my breath on that happening.

I meant the Superbowl year clearly.

 

[Dantés]

Thompson is no Belichick. I think to compare them favorably is misguided. And at the same time, I think to criticize Thompson because he's not Belichick is to have unreasonable standards. One can be very good without being the absolute best.

Belichick trades more than anyone, and it works for him more than anyone. There's a reason for that. As he is in control of both the personnel and the coaching, he can identify struggling players who have skill sets to offer that their current teams aren't using (e.g. Rowe, Van Noy, McClellin), buy them cheap, and then redeploy them on his own team (and under his own coaching) to do the things he knows they do well.

The dude is a freaking savante. No one is better a recognizing a player's strengths and cultivating a scheme to take advantage of those strengths while hiding weaknesses. We can all lament that our team doesn't have a guy in charge who is that good, but if you're only going to be happy with a guy who is probably the best ever, then you're not going to be happy.

 

[longtimefan]

Mondio and captain

Just because the other thread was locked, don't think you can continue the crap here..

Either ignore each other or we will handle it. And I guarantee you won't like it

 

[Mondio]

I will be fine with whatever is decided

 

[Mark Andrew Hooley]

This is an interesting assessment of our D from the Super Bowl year. High praise for Capers too. If anything, our current D is missing some veteran depth and a healthy cornerback group. http://m.bleacherreport.com/article...ackers-defense-has-been-so-successful-in-2010

 

[Half Empty]

Except that the Giants nor Steelers have been to the playoffs 8 straight. Only us and that team from New England.

So it appears that you're on the other side of my fence. You'd rather have a streak of Playoff Participation trophies and one Lombardi than two of the latter with some down years?

 

[Mark Andrew Hooley]

So it appears that you're on the other side of my fence. You'd rather have a streak of Playoff Participation trophies and one Lombardi than two of the latter with some down years?

I never said that. You were the one bringing up the point of AFC Championship games lol. I'm saying that TT is the only GM in the league out of New England that has this team consistently in the playoffs. Took a miracle 2014 to not go to the big one. We cannot ignore the streak of bad injuries too.