Studs n duds Cards

[JK64]

Tonyan (sure hope he didn't tear an ACL).

He sure did....dam it.

 

[JK64]

Summers - pick up the ball and score a TD on the punt fumble.

He probably didn't know the ball was touched. If not, running the ball into the endzone would have been a touch back.

 

[JK64]

I disagree. When seen from the goal line cam you could see the ball break the plane at the very end of Jones' extension as his upper body was laid out parallel to the ground. When shown from behind you could see when his *** hit the ground his upper body was still fairly upright. There was not one single view to overturn it but when looked at together it was pretty clear to me that he was down. It won't be a popular view with Packer fans but I think they got it right.

Well the rules are that unless there is clear evidence to overrule the call on the field, the play should stand. How many times have you seen the call on the field stand when there is no visual evidence to overturn the call? I've seen it plenty of times. Bad CALL!

 

[JK64]

Amos post game talking about how much it helped to have Jerry Gray in Barry’s absence.

Gee, who could have ever thought such a thing?

Thoughts @captainWIMM ?

Jerry Gray gave himself an opportunity for advancement by his performance last night.

 

[JK64]

On one of the time outs; Rodgers made Deguara move all the way from the left side to the right. There was not enough time. He should have just let him stay on the left side all by himself. Another time out was just to save 5 yards. I thought he just should have taken the penalty. As it turned out; it was better that Arizona did not have more time.

Maybe Deguara is a dumb ****. He needs to be coached up, seriously.

 

[JK64]

I was shocked how that game went minus the ending where they let the cards drive all the way down the field there defense played really good. I didn’t expect that kind of performance I thought Murray was gonna ABUSE them on the ground. Fwiw that was a good game with all the adversity surrounding them and it should have not went to the ending it did. But man leave Barry at home for now on lol. We are about to get healthy too with bahk back for the chiefs game. Hill and tonyan are out for the year. I would love to see z smith back there it’s been quiet around his status. I hope they make a trade to get even better moving forward. In the end they will have to beat Brady

Yeah, you were ruh ruh wrong!

Did you notice Campbell spying Murray all game? Good game plan that Barry had a major hand in.

Z Smith tweeted he just landed back in GB and is looking forward to join the team. A good sign.

 

[Dantés]

Jerry Gray gave himself an opportunity for advancement by his performance last night.

He deserves it. He has a wealth of experience and he's done a good job with his position group.

 

[JK64]

I hope I am wrong but I think you guys are way too optimistic on when Jaire is coming back.

4-6 weeks and then hope he doesn't re-injure the shoulder, and need surgery.

 

[OldSchool101]

Put in three TEs and ram Dillon at them. I’ll take our jumbo package with Dillon over anyone

What’s intriguing to me is that Running the ball becomes more vital in the playoffs in particular in the elements of Green Bay.
We have a very unique pair of RB’s. Dillon will likely get ramped up closer to playoff time. His style is bruising and our running game is going to get featured more in postseason and that’s where opponents will learn his true value.. in the elements.. real time

We will only get better as our OL gets healthy. Once Myers and Bak are back we can go full throttle.

 

[Dantés]

Some takeaways for me from this one:

-I am totally for trading Rodgers after this season because of how close retirement is getting for him. I think they need to get lots of assets while they still can, even if they trade him one year too early. That said, they will really miss him in spots like last night. He guided that team through a terrible situation and got the win. Furthermore, while I think the guy is personally pretty distasteful, that image of him complaining to the ref while actively getting drug to the ground by Zach Allen is one of my favorite images ever. Lastly, the guy really wants to win and if you doubt that, look at him throw his body out there in the attempt at the goal line.

-LaFleur is one of the best offensive minds in the game and he is overthinking things in goal line situations.

-The offensive line is doing a better job right now of executing gap and power runs than they are zone.

-The defensive front has looked really impressive; PFF thinks Lowry is about the same as he's been, but he's serious popping for me this season. Gary has leveled up. Preston isn't quite as effective as a rusher as I thought he'd be, but still far better than in 2020. If and when this unit gets Z back... look out. Kyler Murray is awesome, but he's also fragile and I think maybe a little soft-- hitting him early and often paid dividends.

-Campbell absolutely changes this defense and we need to continue to credit Barry for getting Campbell to this level because he hasn't been a startable guy for years.

-Stokes got crushed on that savvy early look by Hopkins, but the kid can play.

-Winning games in this spot means you have to be good, gritty, and lucky. The Packers had their luck tonight-- a tipped pass that got intercepted, a fumble that went out of bounds, Green not looking for the ball, etc.

 

[Arod2gjdd]

I didn't think he looked shaken at all. He fielded all three punts and returned one of them what, 10 yards-ish?

He fumbled one and dropped an easy reception on the very next play....

At the time I was thinking try a QB sneak.

Rodgers should do this more, he's actually not bad at it.

 

[JK64]

I think the guy is personally pretty distasteful, that image of him complaining to the ref while actively getting drug to the ground by Zach Allen is one of my favorite images ever.

It's gamesmanship. Trying to get an edge. Distasteful like flopping, but Rodgers sees other guys getting away with it. Maybe it felt like a horse collar to Rodgers. He did end up with two broken collar bones in his career. How many times have we seen Rodgers getting hit late, hit helmet to helmet and nothing is called?

 

[Darth Garfunkel]

Good summary. The only thing I’ll disagree with is Gary. While not his best game, he flushed Kyler multiple times. 1 time he actually caught him at the corner and hit his leg as he threw, causing a key incompletion. He got cheated that should’ve been a QB hit.

Rasul Douglas played great. He gets the game ball imo. I’d sign that kid to an extension before he gets away.

Gary was also the guy in Murray’s face that caused the bad pass that was picked off

 

[Mondio]

Some takeaways for me from this one:

-I am totally for trading Rodgers after this season because of how close retirement is getting for him. I think they need to get lots of assets while they still can, even if they trade him one year too early. That said, they will really miss him in spots like last night. He guided that team through a terrible situation and got the win. Furthermore, while I think the guy is personally pretty distasteful, that image of him complaining to the ref while actively getting drug to the ground by Zach Allen is one of my favorite images ever. Lastly, the guy really wants to win and if you doubt that, look at him throw his body out there in the attempt at the goal line.

-LaFleur is one of the best offensive minds in the game and he is overthinking things in goal line situations.

-The offensive line is doing a better job right now of executing gap and power runs than they are zone.

-The defensive front has looked really impressive; PFF thinks Lowry is about the same as he's been, but he's serious popping for me this season. Gary has leveled up. Preston isn't quite as effective as a rusher as I thought he'd be, but still far better than in 2020. If and when this unit gets Z back... look out. Kyler Murray is awesome, but he's also fragile and I think maybe a little soft-- hitting him early and often paid dividends.

-Campbell absolutely changes this defense and we need to continue to credit Barry for getting Campbell to this level because he hasn't been a startable guy for years.

-Stokes got crushed on that savvy early look by Hopkins, but the kid can play.

-Winning games in this spot means you have to be good, gritty, and lucky. The Packers had their luck tonight-- a tipped pass that got intercepted, a fumble that went out of bounds, Green not looking for the ball, etc.

Lowry used to make a play every 3 games or so and he's making 2-3 that stand out every game now. He's playing better.

 

[longtimefan]

Flat wrong. Gary and Preston, honestly the front was incredible. Disruptive at times to a level I hadn’t seen and lane discipline was incredible.

That poster hated the Gary pick if not mistaken???

Sometimes stat lines dont show impact

 

[longtimefan]

I was shocked how that game went minus the ending where they let the cards drive all the way down the field there defense played really good. I didn’t expect that kind of performance I thought Murray was gonna ABUSE them on the ground. Fwiw that was a good game with all the adversity surrounding them and it should have not went to the ending it did. But man leave Barry at home for now on lol. We are about to get healthy too with bahk back for the chiefs game. Hill and tonyan are out for the year. I would love to see z smith back there it’s been quiet around his status. I hope they make a trade to get even better moving forward. In the end they will have to beat Brady

You have insider info.. When alexander coming back

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

I'm going to continue to enjoy this win, perhaps the most satisfying of the season. I have faith that the Packers coaches and players can work on improving the red zone play, as well as play clock management. Seems people are ultra focused on the short comings of the Packers, rather than bask in the victory. Few gave the Packers a chance to win the game and if they can learn a few things that they need to improve upon and still win games, even better.

 

[longtimefan]

Gary was also the guy in Murray’s face that caused the bad pass that was picked off

Not the last one. Gary wasnt near at all

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[Sunshinepacker]

You keep saying this … but certainly haven’t convinced me… especially after the 3rd down (or was it 4th?) Where Dillon was met squarely by a linebacker full force 2 yards behind the line of scrimmage and he managed to end up with a first down.

Jones, over his career, has more yards after contact per attempt, is more trusted by the coaches, and has more short yardage conversions; though this year the yards after contact is a tie. You bring up Dillon's great run while conveniently ignoring Jones doing the same thing at the goal line in the same game. You believe 40 extra pounds is a massive difference in getting short yardage but I'll take the guy that doesn't give defenders a clean shot over the guy that relies on overpowering the defender; Dillon is a massive, strong man but he's not running through a 300+ pound DT. Jones can squeeze through a much smaller hole than Dillon. I've always thought that being a big back is more advantageous once you get past the los, not so much AT the los (I also think bigger backs are far more impactful when you have a dominant run blocking oline that can keep that dline off the RB and force the smaller guys to tackle him).

I'm not saying Dillon is a bad running back, he's good. Jones is one of the 5-7 best running backs in the league though.

We're also not even discussing that Jones is much better in pass pro in case they audible or that Jones is treated as a bigger receiving threat by defenses than Dillon (though Dillon fumbles slightly less per touch). Which is why I'm still confused why we didn't see more Jones just lined up at WR with Dillon at RB. Hopefully someone can explain what I'm missing with that potential lineup.

 

[Sunshinepacker]

Dud:

Didn't utilize Dillon enough. Granted his fumbling was a problem against WTF, but he's a big physical rested player. He was by far our most effective offensive weapon last night and IMO we should have gotten him at least another 4 carries, really wanted to see him with 20+ last night. Heck I would have aimed for 25+, just keep pounding them in the ribs. If they were having that hard of a time bringing him down in the second they werent going to get better against him in the 3rd and 4th quarters.

So you wanted Jones to have what, seven carries? Now I'm with you if Jones is lining up out wide on all those snaps since he was the best receiving option the Packers had last night. Either way though, Packers won and I think this game is going to help inspire this defense ENORMOUSLY.

 

[OldSchool101]

Winning games in this spot means you have to be good, gritty, and lucky. The Packers had their luck tonight-- a tipped pass that got intercepted, a fumble that went out of bounds, Green not looking for the ball, etc.

I appreciate the honesty in trying to be fair. However both sides had miscues that were crucial.

1. Savage missed another very catchable INT on what appeared to be a tipped pass by our D.

2. Rodgers took a delay of game on a crucial goal to go from inside the 1
yard line. He made up for it by scrambling back to the 1, but it essentially netted a loss of down. We would’ve had 2 tries from 1 yard, instead of one try from 1 yard. That play alone could’ve cost us the game.

3. There was a run by Murray that his knee touched on the way down and I froze that play. He was near 1 yard shy of the first down marker. The Ref moved the ball forward a full yard and gave him the first down.

4 The AZ fumble on KR was actually recovered slightly inside the 2 yard line. When they set the ball for our O, the ball was moved back a full yard to the 3.

5 Poor Khylin ran out a ball from -4 in the Endzone in a game where field position was at a premium. Had there been no returner we would’ve netted +15 yards and not lost him to season ending.

6 Malik pushed an AZ player in the back that had zero bearing on the return. Amari took it to the 36 and was DJ ready upfield from the infraction. Instead we started from our 10. That’s a 26 yard penalty, which is crucial in low scoring games.

7. There was another play that AZ caught a pass and ran out of bounds outside 5 min. The game clock stayed frozen after reset. That basically gave AZ a free 20 sec Timeout in a time sensitive game that came down to seconds at the end.
8. On the Cobb route to the left Endzone corner where Rodgers appeared to slightly overthrow, Cobb got hand hooked by an AZ DB around the waist area as he tried to bend to corner. It was 1 sec brief but slowed his route. You could also see Cobb turn and look for the flag. 50% of the time that gets called 1st n goal from the 1.

I’m not negating that there was some sloppiness, but more so just stating that both teams were fortunate and had miscues or got lucky.

 

[OldSchool101]

Gary was also the guy in Murray’s face that caused the bad pass that was picked off

Yes that led to 7 points. (Pass to Cobb)

 

[swhitset]

Jones, over his career, has more yards after contact per attempt, is more trusted by the coaches, and has more short yardage conversions; though this year the yards after contact is a tie. You bring up Dillon's great run while conveniently ignoring Jones doing the same thing at the goal line in the same game. You believe 40 extra pounds is a massive difference in getting short yardage but I'll take the guy that doesn't give defenders a clean shot over the guy that relies on overpowering the defender; Dillon is a massive, strong man but he's not running through a 300+ pound DT. Jones can squeeze through a much smaller hole than Dillon. I've always thought that being a big back is more advantageous once you get past the los, not so much AT the los (I also think bigger backs are far more impactful when you have a dominant run blocking oline that can keep that dline off the RB and force the smaller guys to tackle him).

I'm not saying Dillon is a bad running back, he's good. Jones is one of the 5-7 best running backs in the league though.

We're also not even discussing that Jones is much better in pass pro in case they audible or that Jones is treated as a bigger receiving threat by defenses than Dillon (though Dillon fumbles slightly less per touch). Which is why I'm still confused why we didn't see more Jones just lined up at WR with Dillon at RB. Hopefully someone can explain what I'm missing with that potential lineup.

*****

… apparently the forum software won’t allow that response. I’ll try and give you more when I’m sober. Suffice it to say … I don’t agree.

 

[rrudolph]

Studs-
Gutie put the team together, one bandaid after another.
AJ Dillion and Aaron Jones.
Defensive line.
Campbell.
Douglas.
Duds-
Goal line play design and play calling.
Clock management.
Tyler Lancaster whiffing on the chance to get a safety and close the game.

 

[longtimefan]

Studs-
Gutie put the team together, one bandaid after another.
AJ Dillion and Aaron Jones.
Defensive line.
Campbell.
Douglas.
Duds-
Goal line play design and play calling.
Clock management.
Tyler Lancaster whiffing on the chance to get a safety and close the game.

Whiffing? to me, that means he never touched the guy.
He had the guy and just didnt have the strength to hold him back one yard