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[longtimefan]

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… apparently the forum software won’t allow that response. I’ll try and give you more when I’m sober. Suffice it to say … I don’t agree.

Sunshine didnt like dillion pick at all. So will never agree he did well

Sorry sun, but this is how you come across

 

[Schultz]

Lancaster had great penetration on that play. If Dillon runs through a tackler he is the greatest thing in the world. If a RB runs through Lancaster then he whiffed. I got it now.

 

[Pugger]

For those talking about the play clock.. ALOT of the issue is the fact these are new guys who don't know how to fukn line up correctly. Deguaria couldn't figure out where to go in goal line formation MULTIPLE TIMES. Winfree was lost on what to do on another timeout the last drive and Rodgers had to burn one.

If you actually paid attention Rodgers was constantly motioning to the sideline to HURRY THE HELL UP with the plays being sent in. They showed him waving his hands numerous times times throughout that drive cause he knew exactly what was happening..... New little used players have no idea where to go

In that instance, yes. But how many times in how many games over the years have we had to burn time outs because the play clock was approaching zero?

 

[Pugger]

Dud:

Didn't utilize Dillon enough. Granted his fumbling was a problem against WTF, but he's a big physical rested player. He was by far our most effective offensive weapon last night and IMO we should have gotten him at least another 4 carries, really wanted to see him with 20+ last night. Heck I would have aimed for 25+, just keep pounding them in the ribs. If they were having that hard of a time bringing him down in the second they werent going to get better against him in the 3rd and 4th quarters.

I was yelling at the TV Thursday night begging MLF to put Dillon in there to ram it in from the 6 inch line.

 

[Pugger]

first …. he needs to learn the damned offense. According to Rodgers… he lined up in the wrong place causing that delay of game at the goal line.

Perhaps now with him getting all the reps in practice rather than Tonyan he'll know where he is supposed to be. I suspect he's been practicing with SP and the scout unit every week this season.

 

[Pugger]

All studs after that effort! Special shoutout to Def and running game.
No Duds except the play calling in the last drive. 3 passes, ffs!

Stokes got burned for that TD, though!

I doubt any CB could have done any better on that play. The moves Green made while the ball was in the air were ridiculous.

 

[Mondio]

I would have liked to see Dillon line up and do it too, just because we seem to never do it there. I want to see if we can LOL

But i'm also not convinced it's a done deal if we do. They played in our backfield a couple times down at that goal line. You want to stop Dillon, get him before he gets started. I know he got that 1st down on the 4th down play getting hit 2 yards deep. Impressive. But things get a lot more clogged up down at the goal line, they were all up there. Mano y mano, i'm talking Dillon. Mano y 4 other Dlinemen, well, there's a good chance he gets hit 2 yards deep and just bounces into another tackler.

Similar for Jones. He's slippery, finds a crease, and squeeze thru and has some power in his legs. He's also been brought down by one guy in the back field fairly easily when the slippery doesn't work and he's firmly in the grasp.

Personally, I'd like to see them line up and just smash it in a couple times, because until we can, all that other stuff is just fluff. When we can, and teams know it? the goal line will be a place we feast.

 

[Pugger]

It's not just Adams receiving, but he also draws attention from D which lets other players get open or at best 1v1 matchup's. Certainly is crucial for SB run.

Plus Lazard is great blocking for others. He is almost like another TE out there.

 

[Pugger]

This is what the A--holes on sports talk radio here in Boston mentioned. They asked why not run Dillon there. I say, perhaps La Fleur doesn't trust Dillon not to fumble.

They also said Rodgers and La Fleur are D--bags, and La Fleur is a dandy that waxes his eyebrows.

I think, overall La Fleur had a good game plan. Rodgers played pretty well too.
No one is perfect.

You are in Boston? You have my condolences.

 

[Pugger]

He fumbled one and dropped an easy reception on the very next play....

Rodgers should do this more, he's actually not bad at it.

But I can understand MFL's reluctance to do this. We can't have our MVP QB get hurt.

 

[easyk83]

Sunshine didnt like dillion pick at all. So will never agree he did well

Sorry sun, but this is how you come across

I men acknowledging that Dillon has played very well would diminish his board brand.

 

[easyk83]

So you wanted Jones to have what, seven carries? Now I'm with you if Jones is lining up out wide on all those snaps since he was the best receiving option the Packers had last night. Either way though, Packers won and I think this game is going to help inspire this defense ENORMOUSLY.

When you have two backs like that try to play the hot hand, Dillon was better against AZ. I also liked the matchup more, given Dillons quick yank against WTF he came into Thursday night well rested and I liked the idea of just bludgeoning their defense, on short rest, instead of trying to rely on finesse or skill. Heavy focus on body shots with our 250 pounder until they fall over, with a back like Dillon they start to really show their effectiveness once they get over 20 carries.

 

[RRyder]

Jones, over his career, has more yards after contact per attempt, is more trusted by the coaches, and has more short yardage conversions; though this year the yards after contact is a tie. You bring up Dillon's great run while conveniently ignoring Jones doing the same thing at the goal line in the same game. You believe 40 extra pounds is a massive difference in getting short yardage but I'll take the guy that doesn't give defenders a clean shot over the guy that relies on overpowering the defender; Dillon is a massive, strong man but he's not running through a 300+ pound DT. Jones can squeeze through a much smaller hole than Dillon. I've always thought that being a big back is more advantageous once you get past the los, not so much AT the los (I also think bigger backs are far more impactful when you have a dominant run blocking oline that can keep that dline off the RB and force the smaller guys to tackle him).

I'm not saying Dillon is a bad running back, he's good. Jones is one of the 5-7 best running backs in the league though.

We're also not even discussing that Jones is much better in pass pro in case they audible or that Jones is treated as a bigger receiving threat by defenses than Dillon (though Dillon fumbles slightly less per touch). Which is why I'm still confused why we didn't see more Jones just lined up at WR with Dillon at RB. Hopefully someone can explain what I'm missing with that potential lineup.

Over the last two years (or since he's been in the league if you prefer) Dillon has the highest yards after contact average of any RB in the league so please tell me again why this team seemingly thinks Aaron Jones should be the short yardage back

(I do agree we should be useing Jones in the slot more often with jet sweeps and the like with Dillon at RB)

 

[Schultz]

Because simply put, Aaron Jones is a better running back that AJ Dillon at this point on any down and on any yard line on the football field.

 

[Sunshinepacker]

Over the last two years (or since he's been in the league if you prefer) Dillon has the highest yards after contact average of any RB in the league so please tell me again why this team seemingly thinks Aaron Jones should be the short yardage back

(I do agree we should be useing Jones in the slot more often with jet sweeps and the like with Dillon at RB)

I'd be interested where you got that stat, cause pro football reference is giving vastly different numbers. I also already said why Jones should get it in short yardage situations. The gist is that Jones is a better RB and the Packers oline, in its current form, isn't good enough to blow the dline off the ball and Dillon can't cut into gaps the way Jones can.

 

[milani]

Crazy game

Studs
The defense (they are underappreciated)
Dillon
Jones
Douglass
Bojorquez

Duds
CLOCK MANAGEMENT: This was terrible. I have no idea what Lafleur/Rodgers were thinking on that last drive before halftime. All you needed was another 10-15 yards or so and give Crosby a shot at a long field goal. Better than whatever happened. And then the constant waste of time outs, leading to the stupid delay of game on the goaline.

Not running it on the one-inch line. The running game has been carrying you the whole time. Give it to Jones or Dillon.

Not running it another time or two on the one inch line is always questionable. Throwing it on the one inch line even more. Look what happened to AZ on the 4 yard line. INT. Game over. Rodgers says Jones would have been stuffed. Well change your offense so they can't stuff you!. Ever hear if John Kuhn. Get a FB. Get under center. Get Refrigerator Perry if you have to. As for halftime I know what you are saying. LaFleur did not want to risk giving AZ the ball with enough time left. He felt with what he had taking shots down the field could be incomplete and leave time for AZ. Not how he normally plays. But AZ did not get the ball and wound up turning it over 3 plays into Q3.

 

[milani]

Because simply put, Aaron Jones is a better running back that AJ Dillon at this point on any down and on any yard line on the football field.

Not altogether. Quicker off the handoff. Cuts better and faster. But there are situations in which the bull is better than the bronco. Dillon was hit behind the line on a 4th down and pushed a couple tacklers for the first down. He hit a Cardinal in the secondary and took him out of the game. Mike Sherman had the luxury of Ahman Green years ago. When he got close to the goal line he used William Henderson and Najeh Davenport with his QB under center. Hard to stop.

 

[RRyder]

I'd be interested where you got that stat, cause pro football reference is giving vastly different numbers. I also already said why Jones should get it in short yardage situations. The gist is that Jones is a better RB and the Packers oline, in its current form, isn't good enough to blow the dline off the ball and Dillon can't cut into gaps the way Jones can.

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Admittedly I'd be a lil surprised of he was truly #1 over the last two years as I'm pretty sure Chubb is leading that stat and Henry I'm pretty sure is above it as well (could be wrong though)

Still this notion that Jones is a better short yardage back just doesn't hold weight.

Like I said though I do agree they should be using 2 RB sets down at the goal linr with Dillon in the backfield and Jones in the slot going in motion for jet sweeps or to stretch the D horizontally as the give it to Dillon up the gut

 

[milani]

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Admittedly I'd be a lil surprised of he was truly #1 over the last two years as I'm pretty sure Chubb is leading that stat and Henry I'm pretty sure is above it as well (could be wrong though)

Still this notion that Jones is a better short yardage back just doesn't hold weight.

Like I said though I do agree they should be using 2 RB sets down at the goal linr with Dillon in the backfield and Jones in the slot going in motion for jet sweeps or to stretch the D horizontally as the give it to Dillon up the gut

I would rather see them use one of them there with a bona fide FB. Then Rodgers has plenty of options including himself. If Favre was not handing off to one of them he play faked and either bootlegged or threw to Chmura and later Bubba Franks.

 

[swhitset]

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Admittedly I'd be a lil surprised of he was truly #1 over the last two years as I'm pretty sure Chubb is leading that stat and Henry I'm pretty sure is above it as well (could be wrong though)

Still this notion that Jones is a better short yardage back just doesn't hold weight.

Like I said though I do agree they should be using 2 RB sets down at the goal linr with Dillon in the backfield and Jones in the slot going in motion for jet sweeps or to stretch the D horizontally as the give it to Dillon up the gut

All of this agrees with what we see when we watch him play. It’s why I can’t help but laugh when someone tries to make the claim that ”Jones is the better short yardage runner”.…. and don’t get me wrong… I like Jones.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

Plus the Packers should have all three of their top WRs back along with potentially Bahktiari, Jaire, and Kevin King.

I don't believe Alexander is close to being able to return.

He deserves it. He has a wealth of experience and he's done a good job with his position group.

Gray has done a great job as passing game coordinator this season. He was coaching the defensive backs last season as well though when the group was partly responsible for coming up short.

Rodgers took a delay of game on a crucial goal to go from inside the 1
yard line. He made up for it by scrambling back to the 1, but it essentially netted a loss of down. We would’ve had 2 tries from 1 yard, instead of one try from 1 yard. That play alone could’ve cost us the game.

It seems Deguara was the one not knowing the call. The Packers snapping the ball on the play might have resulted in a loss of yardage and a down on top of it.

Over the last two years (or since he's been in the league if you prefer) Dillon has the highest yards after contact average of any RB in the league so please tell me again why this team seemingly thinks Aaron Jones should be the short yardage back

According to PFR Dillon is averaging 2.74 yards after contact per rushing attempt with Jones at 2.67. That's hardly a significant difference.

Rodgers says Jones would have been stuffed. Well change your offense so they can't stuff you!.

There's not a single play call in football that is guaranteed to work out.

 

[lambeaulambo]

I don't believe Alexander is close to being able to return.



Gray has done a great job as passing game coordinator this season. He was coaching the defensive backs last season as well though when the group was partly responsible for coming up short.



It seems Deguara was the one not knowing the call. The Packers snapping the ball on the play might have resulted in a loss of yardage and a down on top of it.



According to PFR Dillon is averaging 2.74 yards after contact per rushing attempt with Jones at 2.67. That's hardly a significant difference.



There's not a single play call in football that is guaranteed to work out.

the obsessive nit picking is old and played. offer your own opinion and stop chastising others for offering theirs

 

[lambeaulambo]

Yeah, you were ruh ruh wrong!

Did you notice Campbell spying Murray all game? Good game plan that Barry had a major hand in.

Z Smith tweeted he just landed back in GB and is looking forward to join the team. A good sign.

yikes - the qb spy is not rocket science, most defensive coaches put that in place when up against someone like Murray. Barry had a major hand in it? 4 days of prep and on the 19 list - while most likely true, Gray did a nice job in a big game with very little prep time.

 

[gopkrs]

All of this agrees with what we see when we watch him play. It’s why I can’t help but laugh when someone tries to make the claim that ”Jones is the better short yardage runner”.…. and don’t get me wrong… I like Jones.

They don't want to run up the middle when the D is really stacked. It is demoralizing for us and a huge adrenalin shot for them if we get stopped. I could see us spreading out 4 receivers wide to minimize the stack. Anyway, I think Dillon will get the chance soon and we'll see what happens. Hopefully, all of you will be right and it will be a piece of cake. With Dillon carrying 3 D linemen into the end zone. Or just bowling over one. Jones has been very good scoring short so there is a high bar for Dillon. And Jones is a dual threat down there. Maybe Dillon could be also...but quickness is more important if you are the receiver down there imho. Like I said, I think Dillon's chance is coming soon. So short 3rd down plays will also tell a tale. What is a good percentage for Dillon to be successful?

 

[swhitset]

Nobody said it was going to be a piece of cake… sometimes you have to impose your will on the defense. You can’t always let them dictate what you are going to do.