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[gopkrs]

Nobody said it was going to be a piece of cake… sometimes you have to impose yourself will on the defense. You can’t always let them dictate what you are going to do.

It has sounded to me like it will be a piece of cake and all are morons who can't see it.

 

[sschind]

There's not a single play call in football that is guaranteed to work out.

Except the one they didn't call

 

[JK64]

yikes - the qb spy is not rocket science, most defensive coaches put that in place when up against someone like Murray. Barry had a major hand in it? 4 days of prep and on the 19 list - while most likely true, Gray did a nice job in a big game with very little prep time.

I read that Barry was on zoom for all of the defense meetings.

 

[JK64]

You are in Boston? You have my condolences.

Yeah, some of the smuggest football fans in the world.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

the obsessive nit picking is old and played. offer your own opinion and stop chastising others for offering theirs

I don't want you get the feeling that I'm interested in your opinion but where was I nitpicking in the post you quoted???

yikes - the qb spy is not rocket science, most defensive coaches put that in place when up against someone like Murray.

Yet most teams struggle to defend quarterbacks like Murray.

 

[milani]

I don't believe Alexander is close to being able to return.



Gray has done a great job as passing game coordinator this season. He was coaching the defensive backs last season as well though when the group was partly responsible for coming up short.



It seems Deguara was the one not knowing the call. The Packers snapping the ball on the play might have resulted in a loss of yardage and a down on top of it.



According to PFR Dillon is averaging 2.74 yards after contact per rushing attempt with Jones at 2.67. That's hardly a significant difference.



There's not a single play call in football that is guaranteed to work out.

There is not. But there are answers to the type of defense you face. Although our offense has changed dramatically in the past 10 years you still have to dig deep into the library for FOR those answers. Whether it is a bootleg, a power smash, or simply a QB sneak you have to have those answers. I do not think I saw Rodgers under center a single time Thursday. Not once as an example.

 

[ctfxcwatcher]

I pretty much agree with the Studs and Duds here. I do expect some of the duds to get worked out(hopefully) as the season goes on.


The blueprint to beat the Cardinals is out there. I was on a few 49ers & Rams fans forums & they gave us a good amount of credit for being able to knock off the Cards. & they also talked about how they tried our exact same gameplan but wasn't able to execute it like we did. Basically run the ball down their throats all night. It wouldn't surprise me if the Cardinals lose to the Rams & 49ers when they have their divisional rematches again. Especially the Rams since there is a good amount of tape for them to use now.

 

[Sunshinepacker]

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Admittedly I'd be a lil surprised of he was truly #1 over the last two years as I'm pretty sure Chubb is leading that stat and Henry I'm pretty sure is above it as well (could be wrong though)

Still this notion that Jones is a better short yardage back just doesn't hold weight.

Like I said though I do agree they should be using 2 RB sets down at the goal linr with Dillon in the backfield and Jones in the slot going in motion for jet sweeps or to stretch the D horizontally as the give it to Dillon up the gut

Seems like some people just assume that big running backs are better in short yardage than normal running backs. So be it. Kenny Clark should be the short yardage guy then.

 

[Half Empty]

Like The Fridge?

 

[mradtke66]

He probably didn't know the ball was touched. If not, running the ball into the endzone would have been a touch back.

Also: unless the rules have changed, you cannot advance a muffed punt.

 

[Mondio]

Also: unless the rules have changed, you cannot advance a muffed punt.

I didn't think so either.

 

[RRyder]

Seems like some people just assume that big running backs are better in short yardage than normal running backs. So be it. Kenny Clark should be the short yardage guy then.

"Seems like"?

You mean outside of that he averages more yards after contact?

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

It has sounded to me like it will be a piece of cake and all are morons who can't see it.

That is one of THE toughest yards in Football. There really is no easy play and if you stick to the same thing, the defense will sit and wait for it. Personally, I love the QB sneak, but I have seen that fail, nor do I really want to risk Rodgers on 1 play. One thing that the Packers don't seem to do at the goal line is speed up their play. I seriously wish they would go into hurry up more often, I think it keeps the defense off balance and unable to substitute, down on the goal line, that can be super beneficial. Obviously, with all the inexperience on the O line and on Thursday at WR, that isn't such an easy thing to do.

I think once the Packers are a bit healthier on the O-Line, MLF and Rodgers will be more creative in the Red Zone, because right now, it just seems like they are in desperation mode down there.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

In that instance, yes. But how many times in how many games over the years have we had to burn time outs because the play clock was approaching zero?

Too many to count. It used to bug the crap out of me, now I just say "here we go again." I also recognize that sometimes the timeout can be beneficial and isn't just saving 5 yards, but potentially avoiding a big loss due to what Rodgers sees. Thursdays game was more frustrating, because a few of those TO's were due to inexperienced players for the Packers on the field.

But yes....first or second down, not anywhere near the red zone, probably best to take the delay of game or snap the ball, rather than burn a TO.

 

[Schultz]

You have to take the good with the bad. Rodgers likes to run the play clock down to get as long of a look at the defense as he can. While this has led to those frustrating time outs there is no way of knowing just how many times it has led to an audible into a big play.

 

[swhitset]

You have to take the good with the bad. Rodgers likes to run the play clock down to get as long of a look at the defense as he can. While this has led to those frustrating time outs there is no way of knowing just how many times it has led to an audible into a big play.

Agreed, however, I suspect it isn’t just when he changes the play. It also helps him determine where the rush will be coming from… what receiver is likely to be open etc…

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

You have to take the good with the bad. Rodgers likes to run the play clock down to get as long of a look at the defense as he can. While this has led to those frustrating time outs there is no way of knowing just how many times it has led to an audible into a big play.

Agreed, however, I suspect it isn’t just when he changes the play. It also helps him determine where the rush will be coming from… what receiver is likely to be open etc…

I agree with both of you and yes, there is a madness to his method. One that we all might not fully see or understand, but too often I see the Packers break out of the huddle later than they should to allow Rodgers enough time to do all the things he likes to do at the LOS. Those are the times where its maddening to see him rushed into taking a TO.

Not sure if its MLF getting the call in late, substitutions still not in the huddle or Rodgers deciding to override the call and quickly think of his own. Might be a combination of all of the above. One situation he needs to avoid though is his cat and mouse game of trying to get the defense to jump early and instead, he runs the play clock down too far and has to take a TO. It really feels like the refs now do their best to take that "free play" away from Rodgers. They did in Thursdays game. Not sure why, because I see them give it to other teams.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

For those that missed the game on Thursday Night, here is another...different view of it.

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[Sunshinepacker]

"Seems like"?

You mean outside of that he averages more yards after contact?

Yet Pro Football Reference has Jones averaging more yards after contact, as does Pro Football Focus. So let's call it a tie. If it's a tie then I'll take the better RB.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Got a kick out of this, for those who ever follow Aaron Nagler.

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[OldSchool101]

For those that missed the game on Thursday Night, here is another...different view of it.

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Terrific video.
What did Aaron Jones say to the Defender as they danced at the goalline?

Leggo of me you before I snap you in two!

 

[Deleted member 6794]

There is not. But there are answers to the type of defense you face. Although our offense has changed dramatically in the past 10 years you still have to dig deep into the library for FOR those answers. Whether it is a bootleg, a power smash, or simply a QB sneak you have to have those answers. I do not think I saw Rodgers under center a single time Thursday. Not once as an example.

As mentioned above the Packers calling a bootleg, power smash or QB sneak in any of those situations doesn't guarantee them scoring on the play.

I don't know how often Rodgers lined up under center vs. the Cardinals but he's more efficient from the shotgun this season.

But yes....first or second down, not anywhere near the red zone, probably best to take the delay of game or snap the ball, rather than burn a TO.

I get frustrated by the Packers offense wasting timeouts for no obvious reason as well but I prefer them to take one instead of losing big yardage on a play or even worse turn the ball over.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

I get frustrated by the Packers offense wasting timeouts for no obvious reason as well but I prefer them to take one instead of losing big yardage on a play or even worse turn the ball over.

I think that is a given for any play.....you don't want to lose big yardage or turn the ball over. I think most of us are referring to situations where a timeout is taken to avoid a 5 yard penalty, simply because the play clock was poorly managed. Of course you use a timeout if all of a sudden you realize you have the wrong personnel out there, lined up wrong, etc., and are sure to have a huge issue. While that has happened on occasion, seems it's more frequent that it is just a "oh crap, I let the play clock get to 1, time out!"

 

[gopkrs]

I think that is a given for any play.....you don't want to lose big yardage or turn the ball over. I think most of us are referring to situations where a timeout is taken to avoid a 5 yard penalty, simply because the play clock was poorly managed. Of course you use a timeout if all of a sudden you realize you have the wrong personnel out there, lined up wrong, etc., and are sure to have a huge issue. While that has happened on occasion, seems it's more frequent that it is just a "oh crap, I let the play clock get to 1, time out!"

I agree. With very little thought going into the question of whether or not the 5 yards is worth it. If your so worried about an interception; you could take a knee.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

I agree. With very little thought going into the question of whether or not the 5 yards is worth it. If your so worried about an interception; you could take a knee.

Agree. It's just comes down to better play clock and timeout management. Of course there are times when using a timeout is very smart, but if its just to save yourself from a 5 yard penalty at a time of the game and in an area on the field where it doesn't hurt you much, save the damn TO for a time when its a lot more valuable.

I do think Rodgers and MLF are a much better "team" when it comes to the game clock management. MM was just an average clock manager and too often called TO's thinking his defense would make stops and when they didn't, it ended up giving the other team more time to score.