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Hey, I'm not going to be the one taking that game ball away from him!!! I value my nose where it is.
I think anytime a HC accuses an NFL player and if they are found innocent? the player gets the option for a UFC style cage fight and Winner gets $50K+ $50K to a charity of their choice. It’s gotta end in a KO though. They could do it at Halftime at the Super Bowl
 

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Bro, it says literally in the rules you cannot push or lift another player now of course in football there's incidental contact all the time but when Lucas Van Ness says, yeah, I pushed and lifted the guy. It's a damn penalty. It's just up to you guys are embarrassing yourselves, not admitting it.

You're the one who is embarrassing yourself, and the more you keep shouting that misinformation over and over again the worse you maike yourself look.

Give it up, bubby.


You're not just disagreeing with me you're disagreeing with Teddy brewski and Pat McAfee and I would trust Pat and his opinion on pretty much all things to do with the kicking game of the NFL

So you trust those shouting meatheads more than you trust the NFL rule book?


Section 3 Unsportsmanlike conduct:

Article 1 PROHIBITED ACTS. There shall be no unsportsmanlike conduct. This applies to any act which is contrary to the generally understood principles of sportsmanship. Such acts specifically include, among others:
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(p) Jumping or standing on a teammate or opponent to block or attempt to block an opponent’s kick.
(q) Placing a hand or hands on a teammate or opponent to gain additional height to block or attempt to block an opponent’s kick.
(r) Picking up a teammate to block or attempt to block an opponent’s kick.
(s) Running forward and leaping in an obvious attempt to block a field goal or Try Kick and landing on players, unless the leaping player was originally lined up on the line of scrimmage when the ball was snapped.


Show us where it says what you think it says.
 
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Enjoy while it lasts. I can hear it now...."we really can beat 49ers cause we're a good team. We beat the Bears by a point. "
Hahahahahahahahaha
I'll be waiting.
 

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I think anytime a HC accuses an NFL player and if they are found innocent? the player gets the option for a UFC style cage fight and Winner gets $50K+ $50K to a charity of their choice. It’s gotta end in a KO though. They could do it at Halftime at the Super Bowl
Yes, absolutely Eberflus versus Luke and Van Ness to the deat.h tonight 8 PM. Let's do it.
 
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Yes, absolutely Eberflus versus Luke and Van Ness to the deat.h tonight 8 PM. Let's do it.
No. I’d decline the offer I want your HC as healthy and involved in games as possible. He's probably your opponents single biggest catalyst. He’s the only Coach in the NFL that would allow :26 seconds to peel off the clock with Downs remaining and a Timeout left. All with a good chance to either pick up a 1st down with 20+ seconds remaining and a Timeout. score a TD or shorten a FG try substantially. No let’s stand around looking at each other like we’re a Class 3A HS team.

Although Poles hiring your next HC is pretty intriguing. It’s debatable he could be even more damaging long term. I might vote for this. Poles could single handed take you back into the dark ages for the next 5+ years.
 
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You're the one who is embarrassing yourself, and the more you keep shouting that misinformation over and over again the worse you make yourself look.

We need to make T-shirts with this on it ;)


Matt pretty much summed it up for me:

"I've seen a lot of plays where I thought a penalty should've been called, and it didn't happen," said LaFleur. "I thought there were multiple plays in that game. That's why you don't want to leave it in the hands of the officials."



 

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Enjoy while it lasts. I can hear it now...."we really can beat 49ers cause we're a good team. We beat the Bears by a point. "
Hahahahahahahahaha
I'll be waiting.
We're not gauging our season on one game on the road against a divisional opponent. Besides, historically we don't play well after the bye. We have the 49ers at home, and they seem to be down a notch this season. You never know if you're going to win or lose, but I like our chances.
 

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Enjoy while it lasts. I can hear it now...."we really can beat 49ers cause we're a good team. We beat the Bears by a point. "
Hahahahahahahahaha
I'll be waiting.
The 49ers will be a more formidable foe than the Bears were. Fortunately for us they are beat up and the game in GB but they have been a nemesis for us for a while now. I doubt any Packers fans if they are being honest will go into this game brimming with confidence.
 

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You're not just disagreeing with me you're disagreeing with Teddy brewski and Pat McAfee and I would trust Pat and his opinion on pretty much all things to do with the kicking game of the NFL
Be careful what you wish for.

Comedic timing with this article and the Joe Douglas firing today.

 

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The 49ers will be a more formidable foe than the Bears were. Fortunately for us they are beat up and the game in GB but they have been a nemesis for us for a while now. I doubt any Packers fans if they are being honest will go into this game brimming with confidence.
I'm expecting a win. We may or may not get it, but I expect a win. Yeah, we played like crap against Chicago, but it's a division game, those are often funny. It's not like we're incapable of playing a good game.
 

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For what it's worth, I love Pat and watch his show all the time. But I mean let's be honest - it's in his best interest to play devil's advocate, to say things that are controversial, to generate clicks and discussion. And he would probably admit as much himself. It doesn't do *** any good to say "The Bears had their field goal blocked. That's all."
There's a reason why shows like First Take and whatnot are absolute cash cows for sports media. Hot takes and controversial analysis is FAR more profitable than keeping it vanilla and we all know it. Like I said, I love Pat and his show but it absolutely IS sensationalized and is just as much for entertainment as it is for information. I take everything he says (and just about any other talking head in sports) with a grain of salt for this reason.
 

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Enjoy while it lasts. I can hear it now...."we really can beat 49ers cause we're a good team. We beat the Bears by a point. "
Hahahahahahahahaha
I'll be waiting.
Maybe my memory isn't what it used to be, but aren't you the guy who swore up and down that you're the kind of fan who always admits when he's wrong? Or am I getting you mixed up with someone else?

Bears fans gotta be Bears fans, I guess... :laugh:
 

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For what it's worth, I love Pat and watch his show all the time. But I mean let's be honest - it's in his best interest to play devil's advocate, to say things that are controversial, to generate clicks and discussion. And he would probably admit as much himself. It doesn't do *** any good to say "The Bears had their field goal blocked. That's all."
There's a reason why shows like First Take and whatnot are absolute cash cows for sports media. Hot takes and controversial analysis is FAR more profitable than keeping it vanilla and we all know it. Like I said, I love Pat and his show but it absolutely IS sensationalized and is just as much for entertainment as it is for information. I take everything he says (and just about any other talking head in sports) with a grain of salt for this reason.

Yup....controversy sells. It also keeps fans talking at the water coolers.

If every game was perfectly coached, officiated and played, what would we talk about?

If there isn't enough controversy, then stir the pot in a different way and make some.
 

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"lifting"? Show me where "it's been established" that LVN lifted Brooks. LVN simply said he got behind Brooks and pushed him. The rule is that you can't gain leverage from another player.

Eberflus is actually trying to say that the Packers “were on our long snapper”. The rules state that you can't line-up in front of the LS during a FG or XP attempt. The Packers did not. There is no rule, that I am aware of, preventing the defense from rushing through the LS once the ball is snapped, which is what they did. Was LVN's **** push enough to warrant a "leverage" penalty? I have watched that play over and over, and I think LVN is trying to take way too much credit for what he did.

"Leverage" in my book isn't being pushed in the butt, leverage would be using a teammates back, shoulders, to elevate yourself.
Yeah and I don't know what leverage a kick blocker gets from being pushed. It looked to me like Brooks played that gap to the left of the LS to perfection. He timed his jump well, not easy for a guy that big.

And if you believe Bisaccia, he saw that Santos kicked the ball low and believed, before the game, that an XPA or FGA could or would be blocked.

From my angle it just looked like an outstanding play from Brooks.
 

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All this BS over the fact that the Bears kicker failed to use a high enough trajectory, and the Bears blocked three Packers into the middle, creating a wedge rush that was legal. All three Packer players were trying to gain access to the kicker, not directly pushing each other.'

If their rush was illegal, I'd venture a guess that at least 2/3 of the middle rushes are illegal, and you wouldn't even be allowed to try to make a block except on the outside.

It seems like way too many fans like to point out one play in a game and say that's why their team lost. Obviously, they don't realize that during the course of the game, there are a lot of penalties that happen and aren't called. Just those that are obvious, and usually those that directly impact a play are flagged.

It's like Howie Long has said, repeatedly. "If you follow the exact words of what offensive holding is, you'd have to call it on every down."

I agree with him. You shouldn't have to play poorly enough that you end up blaming an official, or crew of officials, for not making a call you feel should have been made.
 

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Enjoy while it lasts. I can hear it now...."we really can beat 49ers cause we're a good team. We beat the Bears by a point. "
Hahahahahahahahaha
I'll be waiting.
You really need to switch to decaf. The game ended on a clean block by Brooks - aided by a heads-up STC who noticed Santos has a low kick trajectory.

You'd be on better footing saying the Bears should have won that game because it's true. But the Bears let it come down to a kick, failed to advance the ball further with 35 seconds left to give the kicker a better chance, and then failed to stop a perfectly-played block by Brooks.
 

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Enjoy while it lasts. I can hear it now...."we really can beat 49ers cause we're a good team. We beat the Bears by a point. "
Hahahahahahahahaha
I'll be waiting.

Oh geesh...only fools judge whether a team can or should beat a team by an abysmal game barely won...

Notre Dame has beat a ton of team exponentially better than Northern Illinois but yet they crapped the bed early in the season to them.... pardon the bad word but **** happens.
 

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All this BS over the fact that the Bears kicker failed to use a high enough trajectory, and the Bears blocked three Packers into the middle, creating a wedge rush that was legal. All three Packer players were trying to gain access to the kicker, not directly pushing each other.'

If their rush was illegal, I'd venture a guess that at least 2/3 of the middle rushes are illegal, and you wouldn't even be allowed to try to make a block except on the outside.

It seems like way too many fans like to point out one play in a game and say that's why their team lost. Obviously, they don't realize that during the course of the game, there are a lot of penalties that happen and aren't called. Just those that are obvious, and usually those that directly impact a play are flagged.

It's like Howie Long has said, repeatedly. "If you follow the exact words of what offensive holding is, you'd have to call it on every down."

I agree with him. You shouldn't have to play poorly enough that you end up blaming an official, or crew of officials, for not making a call you feel should have been made.
Exactly.
If you follow holding to the exact letter of the law, you're calling it every play. In fact, you can conclusively see the Bears holding our DL in an attempt to prevent them from blocking that very kick.
If you follow "illegal pushing" to the exact letter, there's no more gang tackles. If you help your teammate bring a guy to the ground, it's a penalty.
Trying to block a kick? Every player better stick exactly to their own individual gap. If your gap gets closed down, you might as well sit the rest of the play out as there's no way for you to engage the play without "pushing" or "lifting" (lol) your teammate.
If you're on offense and want to help the ballcarrier "fall forward" in a pile, you're "aiding the runner" and it's a penalty.
And so on. It's just a ridiculous way to try and view the game and it would ruin the sport if we all looked at it like this.

Far be it from me to suggest that NFL referees are perfect (or even particularly good much of the time), but there always has been - and IMO always should be - a human element that allows for some discretion. Broadly speaking, most of these rules are in place so as to prevent giving yourself an unfair advantage, putting your opponent at an unfair disadvantage, or putting yourself and/or your opponent at risk. In that sense, for example...yes, there's holding on every play. But does it occur on every play to such a degree that it puts Team A at a distinct advantage and/or Team B at a distinct disadvantage? I'd say no. That's why we all understand there's a particular "threshold" before you'll get whistled for it.

And so the same is true here. Did Van Ness create an unfair advantage for the Packers, or put Chicago at an unfair disadvantage? I'd say no. I don't think he's doing anything on that play that's allowing Brooks to do something he couldn't have/wasn't already doing by himself. Did he put himself, his teammates, or the opponent at risk? Not any more than is inherent to the game.

All that to say: it's a common-sense no-call.
 

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Oh geesh...only fools judge whether a team can or should beat a team by an abysmal game barely won...

Notre Dame has beat a ton of team exponentially better than Northern Illinois but yet they crapped the bed early in the season to them.... pardon the bad word but **** happens.
The last thing I'd be saying is that the Bears win means the Packers are sure to beat the Niners. Quite the opposite. GB still has a lot to clean up.
 

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What the Bears need to do is get the "family" out of Halas Hall. The culture is totally messed up. I'm a White Sox fan, and I know how messed up their culture is, and unlikely to change, and it's no different with the Bears. Just because you're blood kin to Halas, or married into the family, doesn't make you in the slightest bit knowledgeable of football.

Then, there's listening to the fans, and throwing coaching personnel under the bus because of fan reaction. Simply idiotic. We went through this in GB during the 70s and 80s, running one coach after another out there with the same culture, and the same internal problems in the organization, and we were the laughing stock of football. Now, for Bears fans. Suck it up. You're now the doormat because of the inept culture that never changes. Halas would be rolling over in his grave.
 

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What the Bears need to do is get the "family" out of Halas Hall. The culture is totally messed up. I'm a White Sox fan, and I know how messed up their culture is, and unlikely to change, and it's no different with the Bears. Just because you're blood kin to Halas, or married into the family, doesn't make you in the slightest bit knowledgeable of football.
Chairman George McCaskey: "I'm just a fan, not a football evaluator"

(Yes, real quote :p )
 

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Chairman George McCaskey: "I'm just a fan, not a football evaluator"

(Yes, real quote :p )
Exactly the point. He needs to hire a consulting firm to find a completely new set of people for the front office, and let them make the football decisions. He should spend his time in Florida looking at the hotties in bikinis. It will keep his mind occupied, while someone seriously rebuilds the team.

In fact, they should probably not let him even watch Bears games, or even use the word "bear" in his vocabulary for 5 years, until a new culture is developed. Then, and only then, they should allow him and the rest of the family to watch the games on TV, and nothing else.

I'm going to give you an example of idiotic Bears fan culture. I know people who's granddaughter was dating a well known ex-Bear's grandson. She was spending weekends with the kid at various locations, unchaperoned, even though she was only 16. I mentioned to them that she shouldn't be doing that, and I was told, "It's okay. She's on the pill." I just shook my head and told them they had a serious problem in their family. They seemed to think because it was related to Bears greatness, which made it okay. I was nauseated, and had to walk away from the conversation.

I could tell you more, but that's as far as I want to take it. They're a real piece of work.
 

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