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Dud : That garbage run play that Montgomery ran for around -6 yards.

Whatever that was, take it out of the playbook and burn it.
 

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I don't understand how King "struggled", show me the tape, unless I missed something I believe he allowed only 2 catches which were inside of 15 yards.

The blown coverage with Goodwin was a designed CB Blitz. CM3 had the underneath and when he released to Brice, he should have had about a 5-7 yard cushion, instead of being right up on him out of position and getting dusted.
 

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I know Rodgers was heroic down the stretch of this game, and I know that he is playing through an injury, but those things aside I can't call him a stud for this one. He looked lost at times and often held the ball way too long. A huge chunk of his yardage came after the catch.
 

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I don't have a strong opinion about Whitt, but I would argue that last night the much bigger problem was blown assignments and the troubling tendency of having safeties and linebackers matched up on wide receivers. I understand that Pettine likes to blitz corners, but having a safety and linebacker trying to keep up with one of the fastest receivers in the league is a net negative.

Same problem as in the past. Blame it on the DC, the players, scheme..whatever. But the bottom line is Whit is now fully in charge of the secondary. Blown assignments happen once in awhile, but they shouldn't happen every game, a few times a game. If Whitt wasn't given a ton of draft capital to work with, I would have his back, but that isn't the case. The guy has to go IMO.

I know Rodgers was heroic down the stretch of this game, and I know that he is playing through an injury, but those things aside I can't call him a stud for this one. He looked lost at times and often held the ball way too long. A huge chunk of his yardage came after the catch.

I agree. Getting tired of AR looking frazzled/pissed off and taking so long at the LOS. How many snaps does he get off a game before the play clock hits 2 or less? Wasting timeouts or taking delay of game penalties just shouldn't happen to a Vet QB, especially at home.

"Hey Aaron, your free plays aren't at plentiful as they once were, stop putting so much damn effort into trying to draw the other team offside and worry about the play call"
 

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I found it very difficult to label anyone a "stud" or "dud"for the entire game, so here are just my post-game thoughts, good, bad, or indifferent.

First of all, Rodgers was insane in the final 4 minutes or so. Some of those throws were near impossible. I've come to expect it, but wow. King finally made a big play too, that was cool.

That being said, this win was total fool's gold. When you need your quarterback to make damn near impossible throws to come back and win against a 1-4 team at home to salvage your season you are just bad. The most notable, borderline scary, problem? Both the offensive and defensive lines were utterly manhandled at the point of attack for the majority of this game. This was so blatantly apparent, and is our most concerning issue going forward. Every single play, protection is just completely collapsing. Immediately collapsing. I was scared for Rodgers, to be honest. On defense it was more of the same. They were breaking off runs of 8, 10, 15, or whatever with relative ease and routinely. Beathard had an eternity to throw, and when we manufactured pressure with the blitz he absolutely torched us. Football teams are built from within, and I don't care who else you have, the game starts up front. To be physically dominated on both the offensive and defensive line, at the point of attack, basically the entire night, was alarming and even borderline scary.

The play-calling, meanwhile, still leaves a lot to be desired. First and foremost, that double reverse, Montgomery to Adams, needs to be taken out back and shot. Burned. Destroyed. Never even think of calling that again. Although, it was hard to tell what would have transpired on that play had we been able to block ANYONE. Secondly, enough of these stupid WR bubble screens, especially when THEY ARE PLAYING PRESS MAN COVERAGE. I mean, come on, that play to Adams had ZERO CHANCE. None. THESE PLAYS KILL DRIVES. Stop it with the cute, dumb *** trickery. Just run actual routes when they try to take you at the line like that, especially Davante. And speaking of running, don't give up on Jones so damn early. His very first carry of the game (shocked that got called short) was explosive. Granted, he made a few key errors (drop, missed block), but good things still happen when he carries the ball. Honestly, I think he is the key to this entire offense. Rodgers's stats off play-action were nuts, and I think that had a lot to do with the mere threat of AJones. There were so many instances where we started a drive and I just thought, "OK, McCarthy, run with Jones on 1st and 10 here and go from there." We need to run him, be patient, keep it simple, and everything will else will come. Some screens? Play-action? Maybe a flea flicker? Is that still a thing? None of this complication for the sake of complication. Of course, this is very difficult when you cannot block to save your life. Finally, the fourth-down endzone throw to MVS was a very low percentage play. Whether it was PI or not, you need two freaking yards. Keep it simple. Davante was open. Yes, we want them to be more creative, but not just for the sake of complication. Do stuff that works. High percentage stuff. Also, letting the play clock run down nearly to zero every single play and burning timeouts for nothing is growing exceedingly frustrating.

The defense still sucks. Not much to say about it other than Perry having some nice knocked down passes and Martinez having some great tackles. The pass rush is nonexistent and the coverage is spotty. This defense is SEVERAL big playmakers, especially a pass rusher, away from being any good at all. They obviously stepped up late, but otherwise, what I witnessed was horrifying. Brice continues to be an abject disaster.

All in all, the Niners are better than I thought and it was a thrilling win that makes the games we have going forward actually have meaning. I'm just thankful for Rodgers's late-game magic (and Crosby's redemption) because I get to watch more meaningful Packers games. We at least have something to root for. However, this win did not inspire confidence in any way at all. In fact, it just affirmed what I have concluded so far: This team is extraordinarily mediocre.

That said, can't wait to root for them to get healthy and pull the upset in two weeks. But the prospect of Donald against this line? Terrifying.

Go Pack Go!

Edit: Credit where credit is due, there are two studs tonight: Mason Crosby for bouncing back and Davante F**king Adams for being an absolute baller week in and week out.
 
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Dud : That garbage run play that Montgomery ran for around -6 yards.

Whatever that was, take it out of the playbook and burn it.

That play didn't work as drawn up for sure, everyone looked lost, even Rodgers and the OL. With both Williams and Jones being more than capable of carrying the ball, I would prefer the Packers stop trying to hand Monty the ball while he is deep in the backfield between the tackles, he doesn't do good in traffic. Either try pitching him the ball outside or let him run routes.
 

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Same problem as in the past. Blame it on the DC, the players, scheme..whatever. But the bottom line is Whit is now fully in charge of the secondary. Blown assignments happen once in awhile, but they shouldn't happen every game, a few times a game. If Whitt wasn't given a ton of draft capital to work with, I would have his back, but that isn't the case. The guy has to go IMO.



I agree. Getting tired of AR looking frazzled/pissed off and taking so long at the LOS. How many snaps does he get off a game before the play clock hits 2 or less? Wasting timeouts or taking delay of game penalties just shouldn't happen to a Vet QB, especially at home.

"Hey Aaron, your free plays aren't at plentiful as they once were, stop putting so much damn effort into trying to draw the other team offside and worry about the play call"

I guess you can blame Whitt for the way Brice handled that play in question, but I have a bigger problem with the fact that Brice ended up matched up with a receiver like Goodwin.
 

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I guess you can blame Whitt for the way Brice handled that play in question, but I have a bigger problem with the fact that Brice ended up matched up with a receiver like Goodwin.
Who decides coverage Pettine or Whitt? If its Pettine and Whitt isn't getting in Pettines ear and saying "dude can't cover him", than there is a problem with coaching on both ends. But if anyone should know what Brice is or isn't capable of doing, its Whitt. Seems like that has been a nagging problem with the Packer defense for years, guys being expected to do more than they are actually capable of. Maybe its time to fire the "Scout team" coach, because each week, sure feels like the defense is confused with whatever the opponent is running.
 

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Who decides coverage Pettine or Whitt? If its Pettine and Whitt isn't getting in Pettines ear and saying "dude can't cover him", than there is a problem with coaching on both ends. But if anyone should know what Brice is or isn't capable of doing, its Whitt. Seems like that has been a nagging problem with the Packer defense for years, guys being expected to do more than they are actually capable of. Maybe its time to fire the "Scout team" coach, because each week, sure feels like the defense is confused with whatever the opponent is running.

Pettine would decide to call the blitz, which dictated the coverage. I don't know enough about how coaching interactions work in-game to be able to say if Whitt should or shouldn't have said something.

I understand that you're down on Whitt. I'm not saying you're wrong about that, I just don't know enough to have a strong take. So I'm just pointing out some things that I could see causing problems yesterday that I think point back more directly to Pettine.
 

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Pettine would decide to call the blitz, which dictated the coverage. I don't know enough about how coaching interactions work in-game to be able to say if Whitt should or shouldn't have said something.

I understand that you're down on Whitt. I'm not saying you're wrong about that, I just don't know enough to have a strong take. So I'm just pointing out some things that I could see causing problems yesterday that I think point back more directly to Pettine.
While I agree that it was most likely called by pettine, the ultimate problem seems to be that Brice is not cutting it.
 

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While I agree that it was most likely called by pettine, the ultimate problem seems to be that Brice is not cutting it.

I think that both of these things are true:

Kentrell Brice is not the answer as a starting safety.

If you wind up with a safety trying to cover an olympian wide receiver who runs a 4.27, you did something wrong.
 

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It was a case of blitzing and losing. A pass like that should never be possible sending guys off the edges. There should be pressure in his face or flushing him right or left and really limiting the chance of a throw like that down the field. But that happened to be in a max protect call and nobody moved the quartback or got to him.
 

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It was a case of blitzing and losing. A pass like that should never be possible sending guys off the edges. There should be pressure in his face or flushing him right or left and really limiting the chance of a throw like that down the field. But that happened to be in a max protect call and nobody moved the quartback or got to him.

Yeah, I get that. But if you're facing a WR with that type of speed, I would think about keeping the corner on him and not sending him.
 

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Yeah, I get that. But if you're facing a WR with that type of speed, I would think about keeping the corner on him and not sending him.
Probably, but Petine's system is sending everyone at various times. and Brice isn't a slow man. He's probably faster than most of our DB's other than alexander
 

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Probably, but Petine's system is sending everyone at various times. and Brice isn't a slow man. He's probably faster than most of our DB's other than alexander

It's not the pure speed that I'm worried about, it's the technique and ability to disrupt Goodwin at the line and stay in phase with him down the field. Brice was asked to cover one of the fastest humans in the league who was coming at him off a free release and with a full head of steam.
 

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Same old Same old. Either we don't have the right guys in there or they aren't being coached well enough. Sure it could a combination of both, but lets see.....Capers is gone, the secondary has pretty much been purged a few times in the last 5 years with high draft picks, what is still the common thread over that time? Doesn't take much "wit" to figure it out.

This isn't just about one player or blowing coverage either, its simple stuff as well. Angles, tackling, hitting out of bounds.
 

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We could get creamed by Rams or Pats, but how many times have we seen teams play to the level of their opponents? This is the NFL. Any team can beat any team. We definitely have a shot.
Especially against the Cheatriots because Bill-A-Cheat is looking at us and going, "Naw. Don't feel the need to cheat on the Packers this year. Never mind the locker rooms bugs and spy cams and ballboy, inflate those balls to the max!"
 

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These next games...on the road? It looks bleak...brutal. Actually the next five games on schedule will be telling. I think Gute should make some significant moves to reshaping the roster via trade.
 

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There is going to be no significant reshaping of this roster at this point in the season. It's not baseball where you stick a batter in and go. JG is just starting to get involved in this offense. Breeland was picked up weeks ago and still has not a single active game to his name.

This year is this year, get used to who we have. They'll be getting rid of some contrcts that are expiring and have a lot of draft capital again next year. They aren't blowing it on contracts they'll have to move people to take on this year and blow draft picks to be able to do that LOL
 

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Both starting safeties are atrocious. Brice isn't even an NFL quality player.

What the heck is Clay Matthews still doing in the NFL? Anyone catch that half *** attempt of a tackle and got made looked like a fool ?

I really hope this isn't King's ceiling. He shows small flashes of being ok, but most of the time he seems to get beat.
 

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duds: the whole d in the first half, anyone committing a penalty, MM/Rodgers for their decisions/efforts that were substandard/underwhelming/went awry (and there were many).

studs: special teams, the d in the second half, MM/Rodgers for their decisions/efforts that met/exceeded expectations (and there were many), EQ, MVS, Graham (who is much better working from the TE position (rather than at WR
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), Monty, and Adams who's easily a top 10 WR.
 
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Those two first-round picks next year.....looks like GB is going to have to spend both of them on defense. Again.
True that. Normally Edge rushers are at a premium and it seems like the really good ones normally vanish by pick 20. Then you get guys like Datone lazy bones Jones shortly after in latter 1st day draft. With the way the Saints came out strong, it’s looking more n more like both picks will be in the 20 something range. Once again, IF the right guy is there at say..pick 15-19 and at a needed position group like S or OLB? I’d make a move up the board by packaging a 2nd day (or preferably 3rd day) pick to get ‘er done.


If Whitt wasn't given a ton of draft capital to work with, I would have his back, but that isn't the case. The guy has to go IMO.
I agree Poker. Quite Frankly! I’m surprised that Whitt wasn’t cut out with the Caperistic cancerous passing D philosophy while we did surgery in the offseason. It’s like going in to pull your tooth molars and leaving the cavity alone to rot in the tooth adjacent to it. It’s like changing a timing belt and leaving a leaky water pump alone for another time. Makes zero sense.
 
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