"Realistic" WR Discussions...

[OldSchool101]

What we are suffering from is a short yardage slot WR. I don't see any available now.

I think Ryan Grant 6.0 X 194lb... 6.68 3-Cone
can man that position adequately, but he’ll need more time to learn this playbook. Possible after the bye week? Maybe sooner?

https://www.packersnews.com/story/s...er-ryan-grant-ideally-suited-slot/3999170002/

 

[Dantés]

One guy that I forgot about is Dede Westbrook.

He's a highly productive slot receiver on his rookie deal. I don't know that the Jags would deal him, but there are a few reasons for believing that they might consider it.

They have paid Marqise Lee. They can get out of the deal after this year for 3.5M, but it's unclear if they would want to. They also gave Chris Conley a two year deal this last offseason, and have D.J. Chark emerging. Lastly, they have Keelan Cole and can tender him this off-season.

So if they don't plan on extending Westbrook, maybe they would listen to offers for him? He would be a big upgrade in the slot. I would think a 2nd would be a baseline after the Sanu deal.

 

[RRyder]

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Well if theres truth to this then heres your Rison pickup

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

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Well if theres truth to this then heres your Rison pickup

He will be subject to waivers if and when released. I doubt the Packers position for a waiver claim would snag him, nor do I think they want a guy with his kind of baggage. But if they would decide to roll the dice and get him, he would probably come cheap and easy to just let go, thus your "Rison reference". Maybe all he needs is a place like Green Bay to finally straighten out, play football and exceed his potential.

 

[swhitset]

He will be subject to waivers if and when released. I doubt the Packers position for a waiver claim would snag him, nor do I think they want a guy with his kind of baggage. But if they would decide to roll the dice and get him, he would probably come cheap and easy to just let go, thus your "Rison reference". Maybe all he needs is a place like Green Bay to finally straighten out, play football and exceed his potential.

I think there is more going on with Gordon than we know. It is being rumored that he was surprised to get IR’d I have to wonder why the Pats are willing to just walk away from him instead of trying to deal him.... and for that matter why do they not want him?

 

[Poppa San]

He will be subject to waivers if and when released.

He doesn't have enough time to be a vested veteran? Waiver rules change at that point.

4 nit pickers: I think vested vet is the correct term with a 72.6% confidence.

 

[tynimiller]

I would not be opposed one bit to bringing a guy like Josh Gordon in if becomes available. He is NOT a team callous, but a self-inflicted callous...one which I think is slowly figuring life out. Green Bay is a place with high class individuals IMO, and we could more than afford one guy with some character history issues...the only worry is do we feel any of the youngins would flow towards his issues IF they cropped back up again?

If we are confident in the character of our WRs I see no reason NOT to at least look into it and see if Gordon could happen. Dude still has chops and skills...

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

He doesn't have enough time to be a vested veteran? Waiver rules change at that point.

4 nit pickers: I think vested vet is the correct term with a 72.6% confidence.

I got that from this article.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/27912736/patriots-josh-gordon-lands-ir

"If this happens after Tuesday's trade deadline, Gordon would be subject to waivers, any team could put in a claim for him, and he could be on a roster at that time."

 

[Mondio]

I think Gordon is long removed from anything more than dime a dozen production on the field. I don't think he's a team cancer, but I think he can be disruptive because he's going to take up practice time, a roster spot, and I think he's always perilously close to being suspended. Given the fact I think he might be infinitely more talented, his production isn't really above Gmo's this year. The past has passed.

But he's not lighting it up with one of the most intelligent coaches and QB's in the history of the league, I have my doubts he'd do anything here.

 

[HardRightEdge]

According to Over The Cap the Falcons could continue to pay Sanu's salary without it counting against the Pats cap.

Link? This would amount to trading draft pick value for cap space. I've never heard of this ever being done.

Here's a Field Yates tweet on how New England cleared cap space for Sanu:

"The Patriots have converted $1.75M of G Shaq Mason’s base salary into a signing bonus, creating $1.4M in 2019 cap space, per source. This room was created to facilitate the acquisition of WR Mohamed Sanu."

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Gordon definitely possesses more talent than most of the Packer receivers not named Adams. Harnessing that talent on a consistent basis seems to be the issue. As swhitset pointed out, if the Patriots are wanting to get rid of a guy like Gordon, my first question is "Why?" Has something happened that just hasn't hit the media yet?

The guy is only 28, but this is his 8th year in the league and besides his first 2 seasons, especially a stellar 2013, its been a roller coaster ride of issues.

Gute might do his due diligence on Gordon, mainly due to the Packers need, but I am guessing the biggest red flag, until more news (if any) comes out, is why are the Pats giving up on a $2M/year WR that has a lot of talent?

 

[thequick12]

Gordon is still good he has 20 catches for 287 yards 14.4 a catch on the year. In 2018 he had 41 for 737 just shy of 18 yards a catch. If gute can get him on the cheap he's definitely worth a look ala Andre rison who the Packers never lost a game with...

 

[Stanger37]

Doesn't seem like Gordon ever meshed with their offense. Anytime the Patriots get a #1 (aside from Moss) it has never seemed to pan out, so Gordon could just be another product of that. OR maybe it is the lack of prep, lack of understanding the plays, always being a little banged up so not getting the reps in?

Either way, he seemed a little shocked to be put on the IR...so I wouldn't mind a revenge game in the SB

 

[HardRightEdge]

I got that from this article.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/27912736/patriots-josh-gordon-lands-ir

"If this happens after Tuesday's trade deadline, Gordon would be subject to waivers, any team could put in a claim for him, and he could be on a roster at that time."

All players including vested vets are subject to waivers after the trade deadline. It would appear that Gordon is a vested vet and not subject to waivers before the trade deadline. He had 3 vested seasons coming into 2019 consistent with his being signed to a restricted FA contract. He now has 4 vested season with this season's play.

I would have no interest in the Packers signing this player.

 

[swhitset]

All players including vested vets are subject to waivers after the trade deadline. It would appear that Gordon is a vested vet and not subject to waivers before the trade deadline. He had 3 vested seasons coming into 2019 consistent with his being signed to a restricted FA contract. He now has 4 vested season with this season's play.

I would have no interest in the Packers signing this player.

I am normally on the side of “no” in these circumstances, but as others have said, Gordon’s past issues have been his own and I might be willing to overlook them for a one year deal... But as I said before there is a reason the a Patriots are cutting him loose... I’d like to know what that is first.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

BB is being sneaky smart. Now that I think about Gordon and the Pats putting him on IR instead of just outright releasing him.

Had the Pats outright released him, prior to Tuesday (Trade deadline) he becomes a Free Agent and any team can sign him. Which means a contending team can land him, not so good for the Patriots. So BB puts him on IR, hopes that holds things up until after Tuesday and then the Pats release Gordon off of IR, because he is deemed helathy and he must go through waiver wire procedures. Which means, the worse teams have priority at claiming him and the Pats wont worry so much about the Chiefs, Bills, etc. landing him.

Will be interesting to see how this pans out and if the NFL investigates BB and the Pats, playing fair or doing something shady?

 

[GleefulGary]

The Pats aren't infallible, but they need WR help, so releasing Gordon is concerning.

 

[El Guapo]

Sometimes players just don't mesh well with the existing coaches and established players. I'd be fine with kicking Gordon's tires to see if he can help. I'm not pining for it either.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Sometimes players just don't mesh well with the existing coaches and established players. I'd be fine with kicking Gordon's tires to see if he can help. I'm not pining for it either.

If the Packers really want Gordon, I would get on the phone with BB and offer him a 7th rounder before the Pats release him next week. As of right now, the Packers are tied with the Saints for the 3rd best record in the NFL, behind the Pats and 49'ers. Which would mean 28/29 other teams would have a crack at Gordon before the Packers.

I agree with you though, maybe Gordon just felt like the odd man out, didn't get along well with the Pats coaches and potentially could find a home in Green Bay. I don't think there is a question mark on his skills, more his ability to stay out of trouble off the field. Which maybe is why the Pats are doing what they are doing. Something doesn't feel right, but I guess many of us thought that about AB and it turns out we were right and the Pats were wrong.

 

[greengold]

I wonder if we do add another? Hard to say who would be out if we do.

Geronimo doesn't appear to be panning out. Shepherd doesn't seem to have found a comfort zone yet with Rodgers, but, that could happen. He is a sneaky good WR who makes an awful lot out of nothing, and he is insanely smart - and - tough. Many will point out he has yet to get open. I'll say he has yet to have been given a real chance. 10 snaps on offense. 2 targets. 1 reception.

As for the others, MVS, Kumerow, and Lazard, they are looking pretty damn hot. Ryan Grant has yet to get a snap, but, I would imagine his long standing relationship with Davante is right in line with how this team is being built, and I believe he will flourish in LaFleur's system.

I won't be terribly disappointed if we stand pat at WR. Personally, I'd love to add Larry Fitzgerald. I think it would make for a great success story, and he's a veteran presence whom I believe Rodgers would love to have on this Packers team as a target. Statistically, there is ZERO drop off in his game. ZERO. Super high 1st down reception rate, super high catch%, a drop rate of 0% thus far...

If we are going to add 1 WR, I'd like for it to be Larry, unless Gutes can steal away a young, upcoming talent like Chark, McLaurin, Ridley... for what would prove to be some bigger draft capital. If that is what he wants to do, I'm good with that. I can't wait to see what he does.

 

[HardRightEdge]

But as I said before there is a reason the a Patriots are cutting him loose... I’d like to know what that is first.

First, he's the 2019 version of Josh Gordon, not the 2013 version. Second, he's got a bum knee. Third, he is unreliable and could fail a drug test at any time, not a guy to be counted on as the stretch run commences. 4th., Hoodie got a guy in Sanu that's he's tried to sign in the past. 5th., The Patriots are running a ball control passing game.

Gordon definitely possesses more talent than most of the Packer receivers not named Adams.

"Most" would not constitute a good reason. Adams out for the year might be a reason but even then I'd look elsewhere.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

First, he's the 2019 version of Josh Gordon, not the 2013 version. Second, he's got a bum knee. Third, he is unreliable and could fail a drug test at any time, not a guy to be counted on as the stretch run commences. 4th., Hoodie got a guy in Sanu that's he's tried to sign in the past. 5th., The Patriots are running a ball control passing game.

"Most" would not constitute a good reason. Adams out for the year might be a reason but even then I'd look elsewhere.

You are correct, the Patriots signing of Sanu makes Gordon expendable, but doesn't necessarily translate into that he wouldn't be a good WR for the Packers. The Pats are now pretty loaded at WR. So the question becomes, is Gordon done in NE because they have better talent and/or he doesn't fit into their system or is there an underlying issue with him that isn't publicly known yet?

So for me, if the Packers do their due diligence on the guy and he is clean (no outstanding issues), his injury isn't long term and they think he can fit into the locker room as well as what the Packers are doing on offense, he might be worth a relatively cheap contract at no trade cost. If he doesn't work out, they cut him. Obviously, other options that the Packers might have plays into it too. If Gordon checks out, I would rather have him, than sit pat and do nothing at all. I think he is better than most of the other WR's on our team and he would come at no trade cost and cost very little for the remainder of this year.

Further, pull a BB. If he doesn't fully work out here and we don't want to resign him at the end of the year, take the compensatory plus he gives you.

 

[HardRightEdge]

You are correct, the Patriots signing of Sanu makes Gordon expendable, but doesn't necessarily translate into that he wouldn't be a good WR for the Packers. The Pats are now pretty loaded at WR. So the question becomes, is Gordon done in NE because they have better talent and/or he doesn't fit into their system or is there an underlying issue with him that isn't publicly known yet?

So for me, if the Packers do their due diligence on the guy and he is clean (no outstanding issues), his injury isn't long term and they think he can fit into the locker room as well as what the Packers are doing on offense, he might be worth a relatively cheap contract at no trade cost. If he doesn't work out, they cut him. Obviously, other options that the Packers might have plays into it too. If Gordon checks out, I would rather have him, than sit pat and do nothing at all. I think he is better than most of the other WR's on our team and he would come at no trade cost and cost very little for the remainder of this year.

Further, pull a BB. If he doesn't fully work out here and we don't want to resign him at the end of the year, take the compensatory plus he gives you.

You can't perform due diligence on a player while he is on somebody else's IR.

He could be of some value, but the odds are he'd be more trouble than he's worth.

What compensatory plus? You couldn't possibly mean a draft pick. He'll never see a 2020 contract of sufficient size to earn a comp pick.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

What compensatory plus? You couldn't possibly mean a draft pick. He'll never see a 2020 contract of sufficient size to earn a comp pick.

From what I understand, every qualified player you lose or gain factors into the formula to determine if you get a compensatory pick. As long as Gordon qualifies, which I think he would if picked up before week 10, he becomes a + for the Packers in the equation.

 

[HardRightEdge]

From what I understand, every qualified player you lose or gain factors into the formula to determine if you get a compensatory pick. As long as Gordon qualifies, which I think he would if picked up before week 10, he becomes a + for the Packers in the equation.

No, players factor into the formula only if they themselves qualify for a comp pick which is predominantly weighted toward the contract they sign. Gordon's 2020 contract, if any, would not qualify for a 7th. round comp and therefore not be a factor. I don't make too many unqualifed judgements about the unknown future, but I feel very comfortable with this one.