Setting up 2025....A Cap Situation Discussion...

[OldSchool101]

I completely spaced him...and absolutely would add him here. He essentially was free to acquire and we'd absolutely likely get a top 125 pick in return...if for draft equity solely. I could see Malik be part of a trade up type swing too on draft day...say Cleveland doesn't have a QB and Gute sees a guy he had a first round grade on...available at 40 (where they are currently...) do you tease the Browns with Malik and our third or use Malik and current second to get their 40th (plus maybe a day 3 back....) I could easily see something like that happening.

These are all good thoughts. Each of us see things similar but different avenues. I really value having a backup QB2 on contract next season. We learned the value this season. It’s like owning a desirable automobile that’s 5 years old with 13K miles on it. Everyone likes those because they are not easy to find. You don’t part with it unless someone overpays.

I’m not stupid either if someone ponies a 2nd rounder and asks a 6th or 7th back. I’m all ears.

 

[tynimiller]

Sure, but 6.8M is kind of peanuts in the modern NFL. While a big number for most people, that's what, a swing tackle? 2 down run plugger?



True, but he averaged "only" 10M per year with the Chiefs. WR contracts have gone up in general and we don't have anyone else at the WR room demanding a premium. Reed will likely be that guy, but we've got one more year before we have to panic.

Watson might demand that 10M (or equivalent) as he is at least perceived as the kind of deep threat MVS is/was. Doubs is just a solid route runner. I suspect we could keep both without major issue.

I also suspect Gute will be wary of letting the position get as thin as it did near the end of the Rodgers/Adams tenure.



In the world according to me, Monk is likely to be the planned center for 2024. Myers' contract will expire, Monk enters training camp as the penciled in starter, and they identify their next backup center. That still leaves Jenkins as a 1 position stater and 3 position emergency backup (LT, C, RG) depending on what the rest of the roster looks like.

Eh disagree some, unless something unforeseen happens, I would be Doubs and Watson both are in the over $10M/year contract structure after 2025 on their second deals.

I also predicted Monk the night of the draft was for sure drafted with center replacing Myers in 2025 as one of his likely routes - I actually hope we don't move Jenkins and Monk is ready because that strengthens our OL without doing much or having to cost us high draft equity.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

I doubt this because we have our preferred 3 with Doubs, Reed, and Watson. Those are your starters and none have shown enough to break the bank when they hit free agency. If one of them shows enough in 2025, then you extend them. If the team think they have to replace one of them, draft their replacement in the 2025 off season, train them up in 2025, and hopefully they are set to go in 2026.

I think the good news with Reed, Doubs and Watson is that Reed's contract runs through 2026, so the Packers have at least another year or even 2, before having to decide what to do with him. Personally, I feel like Reed is going to be the featured WR and a top one at that. I am actually surprised how little the Packers have been using him as of late.

As far as Doubs and Watson go. I wouldn't trade either of them, unless someone offers a a second rounder for Watson and a 1st for Doubs. That kind of talent and experience. at the price the Packers are paying, is hard to replace. At this point, Doubs is the better WR in my opinion. More complete, but Watson could be starting to break out, so who knows.

If the Packers are looking to shed some WR's in the offseason, I don't see Reed, Doubs or Watson as being the guys you shed. Now maybe before the trade deadline next season, if they are flush with WR's, Watson or Doubs could be considered trade bait.

Todays contracts, especially the second ones, are really tough to call. The Packers have a guy like Doubs @ ~$1M/year and if he has a good 2025 season, do you suddenly want to pay him $20+ M/season?

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

instantly our opposite Jaire

So that is a guy that isn't overpaid a butt load of money, doesn't get hurt and plays ******* every down?

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

So that is a guy that isn't overpaid a butt load of money, doesn't get hurt and plays ******* every down?

Was is "hard on" every down censored? Yet, "butt load" isn't?

 

[mradtke66]

Eh disagree some, unless something unforeseen happens, I would be Doubs and Watson both are in the over $10M/year contract structure after 2025 on their second deals.

I did make sure to hedge my bets by saying "equivalent," as 10M in 2022 is a smaller percentage of the cap than it would be in 2026.

My point is more that between the two, I would guess Watson is the more coveted. He's a home run hitter and his yards per catch have been trending up this year, though he's still oddly feast or famine. If he finishes the year like he played against Detroit and Chicago, there is still chance he breaks 1000 yards. He'll be on several teams' radars.

Doubs is not a home run hitter. He's good, he belongs, and I'm glad that we have him. He's more in the mold of a possession receiver. Lots of teams have players like him and he's easier replaced because the isn't the freak that Watson is.

Watson is 21.1 yards per catch, Doubs is 14.2.

 

[Schultz]

#2. I would trade Watson or Reed for the right current NFL starter at OL,DL,E,LB or CB. IMO Doubs would be the least expensive re-sign and they would get more back in a trade for the other 2. Also, IMO the difference in NFL production between the 3 is minimal.
#4. I would do this also. Heath or Melton plus a pick to move up 40 spots or so. Draft a day 3 WR to keep the expiring contracts spread out a bit.
I would prefer to keep the other guys including Malik unless the old too good to pass up offer comes up.
Once again this is just some fan with too much time on his hands opinion.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Would anyone consider signing Davante Adams in Free Agency this offseason?

I can't see the Jets keeping him or being able to trade him with his current contract ($36+M/year), which runs through 2026. His Cap hit for the Jets would be over $38M per year if they kept him and his Dead Cap hit is "only" $8.362M. Maybe they get a late round pick, if the Jets are willing to take on part of that $38M.

Now the big question, how much would Davante be worth to the Packers in draft capital and yearly salary?

Aaron Rodgers is also an interesting dilemma for the Jets. His yearly salary is only $2.5M, but he has an option bonus for 2025 that is an additional $35M. I don't see the Jets exercising that option and I don't see Rodgers waving it, given that I bet he wants out of NY. The Jets will most likely cut him after June 1st and split his dead cap of $49M over 2 seasons.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

I would trade Watson or Reed for the right current NFL starter at OL,DL,E,LB or CB

It's interesting, we don't see a lot of trades that involve "Starter for Starter". It seems like when a starter gets to the point of possibly being traded, it's because he either wants to be on another team and/or his contract is or won't be affordable for his current team.

Other teams have made such deals, starters for starters, but I can't recall one that Gute ever made. Seems like Gute prefers trading for draft picks.

In hind site, I wish Gute would have traded Aaron Jones for another player. Maybe he tried and nobody wanted the contract, but I would have rather gotten a practice squad player from The Chargers, than seeing AJ cut and signing with the Queens.

 

[tynimiller]

Would anyone consider signing Davante Adams in Free Agency this offseason?

I can't see the Jets keeping him or being able to trade him with his current contract ($36+M/year), which runs through 2026. His Cap hit for the Jets would be over $38M per year if they kept him and his Dead Cap hit is "only" $8.362M. Maybe they get a late round pick, if the Jets are willing to take on part of that $38M.

Now the big question, how much would Davante be worth to the Packers in draft capital and yearly salary?

Aaron Rodgers is also an interesting dilemma for the Jets. His yearly salary is only $2.5M, but he has an option bonus for 2025 that is an additional $35M. I don't see the Jets exercising that option and I don't see Rodgers waving it, given that I bet he wants out of NY. The Jets will most likely cut him after June 1st and split his dead cap of $49M over 2 seasons.

Absolutely something Gute would have to consider, BUT only if we do decide to part ways with one of Romeo or Watson. NOT taking his contract though, if I'm signing Adams it is after the Jets cut him to get out from under that contract and hit if he stayed.

 

[tynimiller]

It's interesting, we don't see a lot of trades that involve "Starter for Starter". It seems like when a starter gets to the point of possibly being traded, it's because he either wants to be on another team and/or his contract is or won't be affordable for his current team.

Other teams have made such deals, starters for starters, but I can't recall one that Gute ever made. Seems like Gute prefers trading for draft picks.

In hind site, I wish Gute would have traded Aaron Jones for another player. Maybe he tried and nobody wanted the contract, but I would have rather gotten a practice squad player from The Chargers, than seeing AJ cut and signing with the Queens.

Releasing Jones was as much a sign of respect for him as anything - let him be able to accept the best scenario and situation for him and his family. GB wanted him here, but numbers couldn't meet and at minimum they elected to release clean than trade him dirty.

 

[weeds]

Was is "hard on" every down censored? Yet, "butt load" isn't?

The filters know what kind of potty mouth you have buddy. You're just an open book, man.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

The filters know what kind of potty mouth you have buddy. You're just an open book, man.

Well.....**** that noise!

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Releasing Jones was as much a sign of respect for him as anything - let him be able to accept the best scenario and situation for him and his family. GB wanted him here, but numbers couldn't meet and at minimum they elected to release clean than trade him dirty.

I get that but......as it turns out, it allowed Jones to freely sign with an NFC North opponent. Hardly a "chance" move by Jones. Not that he would ever admit it, but if he is like most that Green Bay has cut/not resigned and played elsewhere, playing for the Vikings was extra special for him. Not in a Brett Favre or Za'Darius Smith way, but I doubt AJ felt bad about having to face his old team twice a year.

I don't necessarily disagree with the Packers trying to be classy with guys like AJ, but in the end, its all about what is best for the team. While doing so promoted good will, which maybe Gute and the Packers viewed as more important than trying to send AJ to the AFC.

 

[tynimiller]

I get that but......as it turns out, it allowed Jones to freely sign with an NFC North opponent. Hardly a "chance" move by Jones. Not that he would ever admit it, but if he is like most that Green Bay has cut/not resigned and played elsewhere, playing for the Vikings was extra special for him. Not in a Brett Favre or Za'Darius Smith way, but I doubt AJ felt bad about having to face his old team twice a year.

I don't necessarily disagree with the Packers trying to be classy with guys like AJ, but in the end, its all about what is best for the team. While doing so promoted good will, which maybe Gute and the Packers viewed as more important than trying to send AJ to the AFC.

AJ deserves far more than to be lumped with Z. Vastly more mature individual.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

AJ deserves far more than to be lumped with Z. Vastly more mature individual.

Which is why I said "Not in a Brett Favre or Za'Darius Smith way"

I agree AJ has a lot more class than either of those guy ever had.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

AJ deserves far more than to be lumped with Z. Vastly more mature individual.

Would be a "fun exercise" to see how fans feel about current Packer players.

Name a starter and if he would 100% want to sign with an NFC North Team or it wouldn't matter.

I will start it out.

Jaire Alexander: NFC North Team

 

[tynimiller]

Would be a "fun exercise" to see how fans feel about current Packer players.

Name a starter and if he would 100% want to sign with an NFC North Team or it wouldn't matter.

I will start it out.

Jaire Alexander: NFC North Team

I fear playing Jaire say in 2025 than I ever did Brett Favre, Jennings, Z, AJ, Rodgers too for that matter when he was leaving... When healthy I don't want to face Jaire.

 

[mradtke66]

Would anyone consider signing Davante Adams in Free Agency this offseason?

Of course. I doubt what we want to pay him matches up with what he wants to be paid. And we parted on less than optimal (though not bad) terms, so I'm not sure if both Gute and Adams can set aside their ego enough to rejoin.

Apart from that, we have to look at what happens at receiver in the future. Adams, still excellent, is getting older. He can't be considered more than a 2-3 year signing. For 2025, you have room for Reed, Adams, Watson, and Doubs, but 2026 is murky. There likely won't be enough targets to keep all 4 happy, so you now have a serious decision about Watson and Doubs.

If think Adams is still good for 1-2 more years, I think you let Doubs go, as Reed and Adams are the most-similar (as far as role in the offense). That isn't a great spot to be in, but I don't know how else to slice it.

 

[mradtke66]

Would be a "fun exercise" to see how fans feel about current Packer players.

Name a starter and if he would 100% want to sign with an NFC North Team or it wouldn't matter.

I will start it out.

Jaire Alexander: NFC North Team

No way. He's probably the player I would least like to face.

I'd probably pick one of our off-the-ball linebackers. Not because any of them are bad, but that the position on the field that is the easiest to exploit. If they ain't Ray Lewis (or equivalent), figure out how to get them in man coverage and beat on them. This isn't a dig on our linebackers, but rather any team's linebackers. There are probably only 3 in the league that are a problem that cannot be easily schemed around.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

No way. He's probably the player I would least like to face.

I'd probably pick one of our off-the-ball linebackers. Not because any of them are bad, but that the position on the field that is the easiest to exploit. If they ain't Ray Lewis (or equivalent), figure out how to get them in man coverage and beat on them. This isn't a dig on our linebackers, but rather any team's linebackers. There are probably only 3 in the league that are a problem that cannot be easily schemed around.

I don't think you understood my "game".

Name a current Packer starter that if cut, left in free agency, etc....would want to join an NFC North team, just to "stick it to the Packers".

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

When healthy I don't want to face Jaire.

If Jaire was on another team, he would make sure that he is healthy to face the Packers!

That said, yes, of all the players on the Packers, I would put JA at the top of the list that would want to stick it to the Packers, if he was traded, cut, signed elsewhere. As you alluded to, when healthy, he would have the potential to be a real thorn in the Packers side if he was wearing another teams jersey.

 

[mradtke66]

Name a current Packer starter that if cut, left in free agency, etc....would want to join an NFC North team, just to "stick it to the Packers".

You are correct, I think I misunderstood. Yes, Jaire would take it personally and want to stick it to us.

Your line "it wouldn't matter" completely threw me. I interpreted that to mean "it wouldn't matter to the Packers." It would 100% matter to us.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

You are correct, I think I misunderstood. Yes, Jaire would take it personally and want to stick it to us.

Your line "it wouldn't matter" completely threw me. I interpreted that to mean "it wouldn't matter to the Packers." It would 100% matter to us.

Yeah, the "it wouldn't matter" was meant to be "for the player, it wouldn't matter", who he played for.

 

[OldSchool101]

Watson might demand that 10M (or equivalent) as he is at least perceived as the kind of deep threat MVS is/was. Doubs is just a solid route runner. I suspect we could keep both without major issue.

What’s up!
I just was comparing those 2 yesterday. Watson really has had a better start to his career thus far than MVS. It’s not night n day but Watson is 1better imo. He’s averaging 8% higher catch rate. Similar per catch yards, but more TD’s per year average. MVS signed a 3X30 with KC. Today that’s like? 11-12M yearly in real time.
I’d speculate Watson would bring 13-16M annual type $$. Such as 3X40M type $$