"Realistic" WR Discussions...

[greengold]

The Chargers are at a crossroads and are currently at 2-5. Philip Rivers is on the last year of his deal. Melvin Gordon has already said he is leaving. Keenan Allen has 1 year remaining on his contract and is one of the pieces that they have that would still fetch a big payout. He has started to be mentioned as a possible trade target if the price is right.

I'm just mentioning him because I'd like to actually see us go out and get some big time help to push a few Super Bowl wins over the next 5 years before ARod retires and we start looking for our next QB. 2 Super Bowl wins in 27 years of Hall of Fame QB time is not enough.

I would totally dig that. Allen is the type of player I feel would be worth paying a larger price tag to acquire.

Thinking we should guard against a Davante return, as turf toe can end careers. A higher end talent should be the goal if we add WR. Green seems too high a risk. Allen would be dynamite.

 

[Jerellh528]

Ive watched green probably more than most considering my football watching partner(mother’s husband) is a cincy fan, and I’ve had Green on my fantasy team the past 5 seasons. He can most definitely be a slot and do slot things.

 

[Mondio]

and stay healthy? I'd bet against it at this point>

I don't watch much of cincy, but looking at his targets and his YPC, I'm thinking he may line up in the slot, but he goes down field much of the time.

 

[Stanger37]

I am with the thought of I doubt they do anything, but agree that the chances are going back to back HOF QBs and only getting to 3 and winning 2 in unacceptable. I'd love for them to make a move for a run for the next handful of years but don't want to make it seem easier than it is.

No doubt are the WRs the divas of the team, and you need to have one that doesn't mind being a #2 and need to have a #1 that accepts there will be games that opposing defenses will take them out. I think Sanu would have worked out perfectly for those reasons. He played 2nd fiddle to AJ and Julio, didnt seem to ever make a peep about it either, he knew his games were going to come.

I'd love AJ opposite of Adams. Big frame, routes, hands, he doesn't seem a diva, can do just about anything on the field. But would he be ok with not being 'the man' on offense? possibly since he's had Dalton throwing balls to him and nearly killing him a few times, maybe he just wants to win now. Maybe not having to do so much would keep him a little healthier. But there's so many questions and lots of risks.

A guy like Allen in my opinion, he has 1 year left but he is going to ask for a boatload and then they'd be right back to where they are now. Adams and maybe MVS, maybe EQ, maybe Gmo, maybe Lazard, who knows.

 

[greengold]

With Allen having another year on his deal, that would give us TWO shots with him on our roster.

Also, I hope Davante Adams returns healthy, just see the window is closing to make a move there, just in case. Should Davante return to form this season and beyond, our offense would be that much more formidable having Keenan Allen along for that ride. Nothing lost with a trade like that, but everything to gain.

They could be just fine there too, but, want to make sure 1. Aaron has weapons 2. Aaron stays protected. 3. Would involve our D run stopping ability.

Could easily make a case for OT depth, DL depth and ILB as higher need trade targets at this moment.

 

[Stanger37]

With Allen having another year on his deal, that would give us TWO shots with him on our roster.

Also, I hope Davante Adams returns healthy, just see the window is closing to make a move there, just in case. Should Davante return to form this season and beyond, our offense would be that much more formidable having Keenan Allen along for that ride. Nothing lost with a trade like that, but everything to gain.

They could be just fine there too, but, want to make sure 1. Aaron has weapons 2. Aaron stays protected. 3. Would involve our D run stopping ability.

Could easily make a case for OT depth, DL depth and ILB as higher need trade targets at this moment.

And if the end goal is winning a SuperBowl (as it should) chances are it is going through the Patriots right now at least. Belichick eliminates a weapon and makes you try and beat them elsewhere. A viable weapon is needed. All these road games coming up will be a true sign of where they are right now.

 

[OldSchool101]

The tough part is the trade deadline is here. But it seems as though we are just now getting glimpses of what we are Capable of behind Adams,MVS and GMo (who we pretty much all knew would win starting roles). This Sunday will be our last WR lab test before finals week.

Lazard and Kumerow are like wild cards. Both have shown nice flashes of their potential, but neither have the quantity of consistency needed to rely upon as bonafide starters. I think Lazard just needs more time and could be that diamond in the ruff. Do we cover him back up? Tough choice.

We also signed Ryan Grant for insurance. Ryan is a utility receiver and is a veteran compliment as a reliable #3. If we forgo adding another talent, I suspect we will see him activated in the next couple weeks. While he’s not a bonafide #2, he has shown much potential as a possession receiver and seems to thrive in big games and under pressure, enough to warrant a 4yr/29M contract last season. Also enough to separately land a 5M 1 year deal after he failed his physical. He’s not a slouch and Aaron Rodgers could likely turn him into a reliable #3 weapon if he passes the eye test.

 

[rodell330]

AJ Greene or Keenan Allen. Period

 

[RRyder]

saw a tidbit this morning that said the entire pat's wr group make less than $13m.

The Patriots wide receiving corps currently counts $18.57 million towards the cap this season. That's more than the Packers spent on theirs.

Those numbers cant be right. Or is ABs dead cap not being factored? I couldve sworn he was still counting like 5.5 in dead cap this year and 4.5 next year

Edit: After looking at those two number I'd guess much of the difference is Cap is adding on ABs cap hit?

 

[Dantés]

If the Packers agree with some of you that Green, Adams, and MVS could all be happy and productive in 11 personnel, then by all means.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

I saw an article that the Packers were one of the teams inquiring about Sanders. I have to wonder if the performance of Rodgers and the receivers on Sunday slowed the Packers roll a bit on trading for a WR. If I had to guess, the possibility is still there and the game against the Chiefs will be the final determining factor if they actually try to pull the trigger on a trade.

 

[Jerellh528]

I saw an article that the Packers were one of the teams inquiring about Sanders. I have to wonder if the performance of Rodgers and the receivers on Sunday slowed the Packers roll a bit on trading for a WR. If I had to guess, the possibility is still there and the game against the Chiefs will be the final determining factor if they actually try to pull the trigger on a trade.

Could be possible and I trust Gute, but I hope not. They have to know that if we’re going to win a Super Bowl we’re going to have to play the patriots, and their defense is in another stratosphere than raiders or chiefs.

 

[PackAttack12]

Could be possible and I trust Gute, but I hope not. They have to know that if we’re going to win a Super Bowl we’re going to have to play the patriots, and their defense is in another stratosphere than raiders or chiefs.

Almost seems insane to say, but I'd love to see our defense get a crack at Brady with the state of his current game. Got a feeling we'd rattle him.

Patriots defense though...elite.

 

[Dantés]

I saw an article that the Packers were one of the teams inquiring about Sanders. I have to wonder if the performance of Rodgers and the receivers on Sunday slowed the Packers roll a bit on trading for a WR. If I had to guess, the possibility is still there and the game against the Chiefs will be the final determining factor if they actually try to pull the trigger on a trade.

I really hope that's not how they're making this decision. Because the Raiders and Chiefs are two of the softer defenses that the Packers play. They don't need the extra help for those guys, they need it for CAR, SF, CHI, and MIN... not to mention the playoffs.

 

[Dantés]

And I'll hasten to add that if they aren't thrilled with the options and don't make a move, that's fine. I'm not saying it's do or die. I just hope that a decision not to isn't based on how the offense performs against lousy defenses.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

I really hope that's not how they're making this decision. Because the Raiders and Chiefs are two of the softer defenses that the Packers play. They don't need the extra help for those guys, they need it for CAR, SF, CHI, and MIN... not to mention the playoffs.

I hear you and would have rather they were thinking about this months ago, when to me it was pretty obvious just how thin we are in proven talent at WR. However, its 10/23 and the Packers are 6-1, Adams has been out for 3 straight wins and I can understand that they very well could be saying to themselves "trust the thought process and the players that we began the season with."

Personally, I am still torn at trying to improve WR or ILB at this point. I definitely would like to see Gute take a shot at one, but I don't think they have enough Cap and/or could justify "mortgaging" too much of the future to drastically improve both positions. There are always creative ways to fit guys under the cap, but at what cost to the future? 6-1 is great, but that can change fast and going all in by acquiring 1-2 players now could bite them in the butt come 2020 and beyond.

 

[Dantés]

I hear you and would have rather they were thinking about this months ago, when to me it was pretty obvious just how thin we are in proven talent at WR. However, its 10/23 and the Packers are 6-1, Adams has been out for 3 straight wins and I can understand that they very well could be saying to themselves "trust the thought process and the players that we began the season with."

Personally, I am still torn at trying to improve WR or ILB at this point. I definitely would like to see Gute take a shot at one, but I don't think they have enough Cap and/or could justify "mortgaging" too much of the future to drastically improve both positions. There are always creative ways to fit guys under the cap, but at what cost to the future? 6-1 is great, but that can change fast and going all in by acquiring 1-2 players now could bite them in the butt come 2020 and beyond.

I would break that tie just based on available options. Who do you like that would fit? Address whatever position ends up being the answer to that question.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

I would break that tie just based on available options. Who do you like that would fit? Address whatever position ends up being the answer to that question.

I'm not trying to duck the question, but I have no clue "who" is actually available and really much about their personalities or how they fit into the Packer system. There is something to be said about trying to fit a WR into the Packers system, with the Elephant in the room being "How does he fit with #12 and how long does it take to get him up to speed and in sync with QB1?" I mean both Dez and AB are probably available and pretty cheap, with no draft picks lost, but that doesn't mean I would want them or that they would improve this team.

I do believe a quality ILB just might be the missing piece on defense, as well as an easier piece to work in midseason. Thus he might have a bigger impact on how far this team can go in 2019. So I probably would lean towards a trade to address that position over WR. The defense has shown signs that it can dominate a game and with the right ILB, that could potentially happen and make acquiring a WR an unnecessary luxury at this time.

 

[Dantés]

I'm not trying to duck the question, but I have no clue "who" is actually available and really much about their personalities or how they fit into the Packer system. There is something to be said about trying to fit a WR into the Packers system, with the Elephant in the room being "How does he fit with #12 and how long does it take to get him up to speed and in sync with QB1?" I mean both Dez and AB are probably available and pretty cheap, with no draft picks lost, but that doesn't mean I would want them or that they would improve this team.

I do believe a quality ILB just might be the missing piece on defense, as well as an easier piece to work in midseason. Thus he might have a bigger impact on how far this team can go in 2019. So I probably would lean towards a trade to address that position over WR. The defense has shown signs that it can dominate a game and with the right ILB, that could potentially happen and make acquiring a WR an unnecessary luxury at this time.

Oh yeah, I wasn't asking you. I meant that that's the question I think the team could use to make the decision between positions.

It's funny though-- I tend to think the opposite: that a slot receiver would be easier to work in than a new linebacker.

 

[PackerFanLV]

Rb's and FB being involved in the passing game has made a big difference in the offense. I honestly wouldn't go for a wr as guys are stepping up and the playbook is opening up. Teams no longer can really man up with williams,jones and vitale catching the ball out the back field.

 

[greengold]

This seems as “go-for-it” mode as we’ve seen in a while.

Adding a top quality WR would be great, but I agree it may not be necessary. Would put some minds at ease though. That’s for sure.

Really wish we had signed Mike Pennel as a run stuffer. Could still use one. Should know more after KC. I’m personally way more concerned with our interior D.

I’ll trust Gutes to load up as best as he is able.

 

[OldSchool101]

If the perfect fit at WR was there, then absolutely. That said we just showed we can function adequately in the meantime. Keep in mind we also have Tonyan back practicing and Jace is designated to return in 2 weeks at the earliest.

This is just a guess, but if GB can get a road win at KC it would be huge. Then the only thing separating us from our bye week is the Chargers and Panthers. At 7-1 we could gamble that even going 1-1 with those 2 opponents still puts us at 8-2 with 2 weeks off. That in turn, gives us the ability to bring back 2 players off IR near simultaneously, also Adams having the additional time off makes it likely he will be back for the Panthers (2 1/2 weeks) at or 49ers (4 1/2 weeks).
We’d have our option of working in Tonyan, Grant, Adams and Jace all inside about a month.

There may not be a ton of room to activate more receivers.

 

[rmontro]

According to Over The Cap the Falcons could continue to pay Sanu's salary without it counting against the Pats cap.

I have no idea about the complexities of how the cap works. But if there's a workaround, Belichick will find it.

 

[greengold]

If the perfect fit at WR was there, then absolutely. That said we just showed we can function adequately in the meantime. Keep in mind we also have Tonyan back practicing and Jace is designated to return in 2 weeks at the earliest.

This is just a guess, but if GB can get a road win at KC it would be huge. Then the only thing separating us from our bye week is the Chargers and Panthers. At 7-1 we could gamble that going 1-1 with those 2 opponents still puts us at 8-2 with 2 weeks off. That in turn, gives us the ability to bring back 2 players off IR near simultaneously, also Adams having the additional time off makes it likely he will be back for the Panthers (2 1/2 weeks) at or 49ers (4 1/2 weeks).
We’d have our option of working in Tonyan, Grant, Adams and Jace all inside about a month.

There may not be a ton of room for more active receivers.

So true. We’re at 7 currently, which is a high number. I believe more of the concerns at WR have to do with most of them being unknown quantities. We are just now starting to see what we’ve got. I wish the trade deadline was extended out another month... Kind of puts a new HC with a new system and a young set of skill position players at a disadvantage. Offense always takes 6 weeks at least to learn, then boom! Trade deadline. Make a decision!

That’s why I’m going to be happy if they add a true, veteran, top talent there, as insurance. We have a dearth of #3s & 4s. Just in case Davante needs more time or gets re-injured. Cover our bases...

Granted, couldn’t be a bigger stage for these younger WRs to make names for themselves. Just have to ask ourselves: how comfortable are we with that?

 

[XPack]

What we are suffering from is a short yardage slot WR. I don't see any available now.