Packers Front Office Under Fire

[longtimefan]

Please no. I absolutely cannot stand that band

Foo figheters? Why

 

[G0P4ckG0]

Foo figheters? Why

Way too simplistic for my liking

 

[longtimefan]

Please show me where one "sane" person has said this. I will wait.

They cant..they twist words around to fit their narrative and make assinine comments to make them feel better about their stance

 

[thequick12]

Not sure why, but I prefer the acoustic (unplugged) version of this song so much more than the full band.

Dave Grohl - Times Like These (Acoustic) - YouTube

Then again, I am pretty much the same with Nirvana.

Nirvana unplugged is certainly amongst the best albums ever recorded...

Also Howard Stern & the foo fighters are pretty good on Everlong

 

[Sunshinepacker]

Please show me where one "sane" person has said this. I will wait.

Plenty of posters have defended the selection of Love as, "great talent that will be the future". Look around, you'll see it

 

[Sunshinepacker]

They cant..they twist words around to fit their narrative and make assinine comments to make them feel better about their stance

The only defense for the Love pick was that he was certifiably elite, no? Only defense I've heard for the pick is that he's an amazing talent that will continue the Packers modern tradition of elite QB play.

 

[G0P4ckG0]

The only defense for the Love pick was that he was certifiably elite, no? Only defense I've heard for the pick is that he's an amazing talent that will continue the Packers modern tradition of elite QB play.

That's the mindset you should have with a 1st round qb, no?

 

[longtimefan]

The only defense for the Love pick was that he was certifiably elite, no? Only defense I've heard for the pick is that he's an amazing talent that will continue the Packers modern tradition of elite QB play.

Lies

Show us the quote tradition of elite play

 

[longtimefan]

Plenty of posters have defended the selection of Love as, "great talent that will be the future". Look around, you'll see it

Plenty said future and great talent. Why is that an issue?

Your putting words in sentences of elite traditional play

No one has said that. And thats the issue with you and a few others..twist words or expectation around to make it fit your distain for Love

 

[Sunshinepacker]

Plenty said future and great talent. Why is that an issue?

Your putting words in sentences of elite traditional play

No one has said that. And thats the issue with you and a few others..twist words or expectation around to make it fit your distain for Love

Wait a second. I have no issue with Love as a player. My issue was the pick. The only way that pick makes ANY sense is if Gute thought he was going to be the QB of the future and a very good QB at that. There is no argument otherwise. Gute used a 1st round pick on a certified backup who would do nothing to help the team for a couple of years. Nobody in their right mind would do that unless they were sure that said player was going to be great, at least for a team that was one game from the Super Bowl.

I'm not trying to put words in anyone's mouth, that's honestly the only rationale that I thought existed. Could you explain your thoughts on it?

 

[G0P4ckG0]

Wait a second. I have no issue with Love as a player. My issue was the pick. The only way that pick makes ANY sense is if Gute thought he was going to be the QB of the future and a very good QB at that. There is no argument otherwise. Gute used a 1st round pick on a certified backup who would do nothing to help the team for a couple of years. Nobody in their right mind would do that unless they were sure that said player was going to be great, at least for a team that was one game from the Super Bowl.

I'm not trying to put words in anyone's mouth, that's honestly the only rationale that I thought existed. Could you explain your thoughts on it?

Same thoughts as mine but I do believe Love has potential to knock on the MVP door a few times in his career, if not win one. It is safe to say he will be nowhere near as good as Rodgers stat-wise, but that doesn't mean with his play style and the new offense & defense, that the team won't be more successful overall.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

I've seen articles with people saying it. Unidentified exec type stuff. Heard his personal QB coach say it one of those Palmers. A few others...idk if I'd say they're insane.

I'd say they might be in better position to know. And they might be lying because they have a vested interest. But either way I'd say it's stupid to move on from Rodgers now...

Not really worth debating, because anyone can say whatever they want about the unknown future of Love, but IMO, anyone who says:

"Love is a certified elite QB-to-be"

Really doesn't understand what the terms certified and elite mean.

Plenty of posters have defended the selection of Love as, "great talent that will be the future". Look around, you'll see it

See above

 

[longtimefan]

Wait a second. I have no issue with Love as a player. My issue was the pick. The only way that pick makes ANY sense is if Gute thought he was going to be the QB of the future and a very good QB at that. There is no argument otherwise. Gute used a 1st round pick on a certified backup who would do nothing to help the team for a couple of years. Nobody in their right mind would do that unless they were sure that said player was going to be great, at least for a team that was one game from the Super Bowl.

I'm not trying to put words in anyone's mouth, that's honestly the only rationale that I thought existed. Could you explain your thoughts on it?

You just said it.

Defense I've heard for the pick is that he's an amazing talent that will continue the Packers modern tradition of elite QB play.

No one has said that. Show us...people said great talent..sure. But no one expects him to be like rodgers or brett..I doubt even the packers believe that...so just stop with the induendos of that...its childish

I just posted it somewhere else.. But why cant people of your mind set see the idea that Rodgers had issues before love was picked. Experts said it, posters said it..

Love was drafted to prob start in 23..and rodgers threw the monkey wrench into their plans.

Wheather he knew this or just dawned in him..I think he is facing his own mortality and it scares him.

 

[Sunshinepacker]

You just said it.

Defense I've heard for the pick is that he's an amazing talent that will continue the Packers modern tradition of elite QB play.

No one has said that. Show us...people said great talent..sure. But no one expects him to be like rodgers or brett..I doubt even the packers believe that...so just stop with the induendos of that...its childish

I just posted it somewhere else.. But why cant people of your mind set see the idea that Rodgers had issues before love was picked. Experts said it, posters said it..

Love was drafted to prob start in 23..and rodgers threw the monkey wrench into their plans.

Wheather he knew this or just dawned in him..I think he is facing his own mortality and it scares him.

I'm not sure where we disagree. You said he was drafted to start in '23. You don't draft a player who won't contribute a thing for 75% of his rookie contract unless you're sure he's gonna to be amazing when he finally starts. I can't think of any rational explanation to defend his selection, knowing he's not going to contribute good a minimum of 2 years to a Super Bowl worthy team, unless the defense includes the expectation he's going to be extremely good.

I said he needed to be elite. Elite doesn't mean Rodgers, Rodgers is probably the best ever. Elite means top-5 to -7 QB in the league when he's playing. I'm sorry you thought I was implying otherwise.

 

[Sunshinepacker]

Not really worth debating, because anyone can say whatever they want about the unknown future of Love, but IMO, anyone who says:

"Love is a certified elite QB-to-be"

Really doesn't understand what the terms certified and elite mean.



See above

To me, elite is a top-5 to -7 QB in the NFL while the player is playing. Is there a "certified elite" definition that I'm unaware of? What terminology would be better?

 

[longtimefan]

I'm not sure where we disagree. You said he was drafted to start in '23. You don't draft a player who won't contribute a thing for 75% of his rookie contract unless you're sure he's gonna to be amazing when he finally starts. I can't think of any rational explanation to defend his selection, knowing he's not going to contribute good a minimum of 2 years to a Super Bowl worthy team, unless the defense includes the expectation he's going to be extremely good.

I said he needed to be elite. Elite doesn't mean Rodgers, Rodgers is probably the best ever. Elite means top-5 to -7 QB in the league when he's playing. I'm sorry you thought I was implying otherwise.

No..you said the defense was he would be elite and continue the tradition. I showed your quote a hour ago.. Show me who said it here.

You are projecting your perception on how people feel about him and its wrong.

So what if Gute feels he was a starting qb to start in 23? Ive typed it out 2 times why I think Gute drafted him..but it could be wrong..but looking at the facts ( not perception) it is very logical why he did it.

Again your perception of Gute and Matts thoughts might be off base..but you protray your perception as the truth.. Ie


"75% of his rookie contract unless you're sure he's gonna to be amazing"

Your words ^^^^

Show us where Gute thinks that..you cant..thats your perception and it might be right, but I think its wrong.

I have a feeling they hope he is a hof..who doesnt? But im sure they know it prob wont happen.. What they want is someone that can do the plays as called..not screw up and move then chains..or a average to above average qb

If you want to think they are betting he will be elite then thats on you

 

[longtimefan]

To me, elite is a top-5 to -7 QB in the NFL while the player is playing. Is there a "certified elite" definition that I'm unaware of? What terminology would be better?

Why are you so stuck on love has to be elite? No one ever said that

 

[longtimefan]

Wow

https://www.nationalfootballpost.co...e-difficult-parting-of-favre-and-the-packers/

Brett was forever wanting a more aggressive attitude by the front office toward player acquisition than the present regime. My constant message that our method of drafting and developing talent rather than acquiring proven commodities only served to infuriate him and his resentment of a general manager that showed him none of the compassion and welcomed input of previous regimes.


If rumors on aaron are true, history does repeat

 

[Sunshinepacker]

Why are you so stuck on love has to be elite? No one ever said that

Actions have meaning. A first round pick was used to bring in a player that would not help the Packers win a Super Bowl in the next 2-3 years. If that player isn't elite, then why did your draft him? Are you telling me that Gute is going to get the guy he thought he was drafting if Love turns into Kirk Cousins?

 

[longtimefan]

Actions have meaning. A first round pick was used to bring in a player that would not help the Packers win a Super Bowl in the next 2-3 years. If that player isn't elite, then why did your draft him? Are you telling me that Gute is going to get the guy he thought he was drafting if Love turns into Kirk Cousins?

Sigh.

Ive posted my thoughts 2 times.

If you didnt read them, go read.

If you did and dont understand ask...

Or maybe you just cant understand

 

[G0P4ckG0]

Actions have meaning. A first round pick was used to bring in a player that would not help the Packers win a Super Bowl in the next 2-3 years. If that player isn't elite, then why did your draft him? Are you telling me that Gute is going to get the guy he thought he was drafting if Love turns into Kirk Cousins?

You may be failing to understand that Gute initially DID NOT WANT to draft Love. He was on their board but Gute attempted to trade up for 3 different receivers in the 1st round. None of the trade offers panned out and Gute was unable to find a suitable team to trade down for an early 2nd round pick, so he drafted Love since he was on their board much like the situation with Rodgers back in the day.

It was one of those situations where Love was too attractive to pass up

 

[thequick12]

Plenty of posters have defended the selection of Love as, "great talent that will be the future". Look around, you'll see it

Idk if calling people who post on here sane, really jives, haha...but there has been plenty of national media types saying it as well

 

[thequick12]

You may be failing to understand that Gute initially DID NOT WANT to draft Love. He was on their board but Gute attempted to trade up for 3 different receivers in the 1st round. None of the trade offers panned out and Gute was unable to find a suitable team to trade down for an early 2nd round pick, so he drafted Love since he was on their board much like the situation with Rodgers back in the day.
It was one of those situations where Love was too attractive to pass up

I'd believe that if they hadn't traded up to get him. It's not like Rodgers for that reason. I refuse to believe an NFL FO would trade up to 26 before they even knew the wr they wanted was still on the board.

I do agree Love was too tempting to pass up at #30 because even though I didn't want to take a qb I found myself selecting him at 30 in mocks...I would of had a conversation with Rodgers before I did it though, a courtesy flush if you will

 

[thequick12]

Not really worth debating, because anyone can say whatever they want about the unknown future of Love, but IMO, anyone who says:

"Love is a certified elite QB-to-be"

Really doesn't understand what the terms certified and elite mean.

I'd agree with that and I'd go further and say anyone who says that about Trevor Lawrence doesn't understand what those terms mean either. Because who knows...

What I would say about Love is from watching his tape, he has all the physical ability nessicary to be an elite qb in the NFL. Whether he develops into one will depend almost entirely on how he processes the mental aspects of the game...

Rodgers is Rodgers not only because he can make every throw but because he is mentally on another level above nearly every other player on the field

 

[PikeBadger]

Plenty of posters have defended the selection of Love as, "great talent that will be the future". Look around, you'll see it

That certainly fits my viewpoint. IMO, he was easily the best available talent at that juncture of the draft.