Packers Front Office Under Fire

[Pokerbrat2000]

coach thinks you’re better than NOT being available to replace an injured player.

Plain and simple.....Boyle was more prepared to come right in. IF you can't see why and all the factors that contributed to that, then you really aren't following football.

Now if you can open your mind up, just slightly and imagine a normal spring, summer and fall of camps and preseason games, then you might have had a different scenario and an actual way for Love to not just move past Boyle, but to prove to the coaches he was ready. I doubt when July rolled around and Covid had hunkered down and the Packers were even contemplating whether there was going to be a season, did the coaches even think twice about moth balling Love until 2021.

Of course some of you can't understand this, because it doesn't work with your narrative of "Love was a bad pick, he couldn't even beat out Boyle."

 

[Sunshinepacker]

for a short term plug in, yeah it matters. Boyle had a couple more years experience than the guy that didn't even get a training camp or in person meetings to start his 1st year. Had it become apparent that Rodgers was down for the count with 9 games to go? and Love is now getting some actual work in practice and he can't step ahead of Boyle, maybe there is some meaning. But as it stood, they didn't need either, so no, I don't think it matters a bit who was listed where on the depth chart. It has nothing to do with who's better but quite simply was a function of who was least likely to commit a mistake in a short term pinch.

I really don't get what's so hard to understand about that? The fact that Boyle was in a on paper position we didn't need and never used says nothing about what they thought of love other than he was inexperienced.

I think you and i have different definitions of better.

 

[Sunshinepacker]

Plain and simple.....Boyle was more prepared to come right in. IF you can't see why and all the factors that contributed to that, then you really aren't following football.

Now if you can open your mind up, just slightly and imagine a normal spring, summer and fall of camps and preseason games, then you might have had a different scenario and an actual way for Love to not just move past Boyle, but to prove to the coaches he was ready. I doubt when July rolled around and Covid had hunkered down and the Packers were even contemplating whether there was going to be a season, did the coaches even think twice about moth balling Love until 2021.

Of course some of you can't understand this, because it doesn't work with your narrative of "Love was a bad pick, he couldn't even beat out Boyle."

i didn’t say pretty much any of what you’re talking about. I’ve stated in other threads that his minimized off-season was a big factor in rookies not being able to play. I’m simply pointing out the last season love was worse than Boyle, I’m not saying why that was the case and I’m certainly not implying that will always be the case.

 

[Mondio]

I think you and i have different definitions of better.

You wanna keep arguing Boyle was better at being a placeholder on a piece of paper, have at it.

I don’t think it meant much in the grand scheme of things

 

[OldSchool101]

Collinsworth didnt think so

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Collinsworth may have been right after all!

 

[Half Empty]

I think Boyle should have played the 4th quarter of the NFCCG last year.

Wait, that wasn't him?

 

[Sunshinepacker]

You wanna keep arguing Boyle was better at being a placeholder on a piece of paper, have at it.

I don’t think it meant much in the grand scheme of things

We’re talking about last season, not the grand scheme of things. Also, the freaking depth chart isn’t meaningless. It’s kind of a really important document that lists the order that players at each position will play. I’m not sure how anyone looks at a depth chart and thinks the guy not even listed on it is better than the second guy.

 

[thequick12]

We’re talking about last season, not the grand scheme of things. Also, the freaking depth chart isn’t meaningless. It’s kind of a really important document that lists the order that players at each position will play. I’m not sure how anyone looks at a depth chart and thinks the guy not even listed on it is better than the second guy.

Common Sense...P. Smith was ahead of Rashan Gary on the depth chart all last season...who was the better player?

That's an easy example...

 

[Mondio]

We’re talking about last season, not the grand scheme of things. Also, the freaking depth chart isn’t meaningless. It’s kind of a really important document that lists the order that players at each position will play. I’m not sure how anyone looks at a depth chart and thinks the guy not even listed on it is better than the second guy.

I'm not sure you really read what I type. You have a debate you want to have in your head and play it out on here.

This is what I said.

about all any of us "know" for sure is, no QB overtook Rodgers as the starter so he was obviously the best we had and beyond that we had no need for any other QB to know what was better, who they liked more or who completed more passes in practice or anything.

It is also my thoughts they had zero intention of playing Love last year when they drafted him. It wasn't their plan. Had they needed a backup QB for any length of time, we may have seen that change, but they didn't so arguing about who was 2-3 is pretty fruitless as far as it telling us anything about anyone's ability.

 

[OldSchool101]

We’re talking about last season, not the grand scheme of things. Also, the freaking depth chart isn’t meaningless. It’s kind of a really important document that lists the order that players at each position will play. I’m not sure how anyone looks at a depth chart and thinks the guy not even listed on it is better than the second guy.

Sunshine, you are hired by the Green Bay Packers and you are the GM as of this minute (God help us )

Who do you pick and who do you release in a QB do over??

1. Tim Boyle

2. Jordan Love

Please just pick one and don’t skirt the selection.

 

[Sunshinepacker]

Common Sense...P. Smith was ahead of Rashan Gary on the depth chart all last season...who was the better player?

That's an easy example...

Not really when you consider the limitations that Gary still has, he's not an everydown player. Generally speaking, specialists, even if better, aren't listed over the base defense guys (Smith played almost 400 more snaps last season). Also, only one QB is on the field at a time so if you feel like using the OLB depth chart, go ahead, but at least acknowledge the HUGE limits in comparing the QB depth chart to the OLB.

 

[Sunshinepacker]

Sunshine, you are hired by the Green Bay Packers and you are the GM as of this minute (God help us )

Who do you pick and who do you release in a QB do over??

1. Tim Boyle

2. Jordan Love

Please just pick one and don’t skirt the selection.

As a QB of the future, Love, easy. As for who is more valuable that season? Up to the coach. Pick a discussion. The one I'm having, that last season Love was worse than Boyle. Or the discussion you seem to want, long-term who is better? Cause that's Love.

 

[Sunshinepacker]

I'm not sure you really read what I type. You have a debate you want to have in your head and play it out on here.

This is what I said.

You appear to ONLY want to focus on long-term which is NOT what I was talking about. So sure, I agree, long-term Love is better and we can ignore how good he was in comparison to Boyle last season.

 

[thequick12]

Not really when you consider the limitations that Gary still has, he's not an everydown player. Generally speaking, specialists, even if better, aren't listed over the base defense guys (Smith played almost 400 more snaps last season). Also, only one QB is on the field at a time so if you feel like using the OLB depth chart, go ahead, but at least acknowledge the HUGE limits in comparing the QB depth chart to the OLB.

What limitations? Gary is a stronger run defender than pass rusher at this point but still as a pass rush he finished the season as one if the 10 most disruptive guys...

 

[Mondio]

You appear to ONLY want to focus on long-term which is NOT what I was talking about. So sure, I agree, long-term Love is better and we can ignore how good he was in comparison to Boyle last season.

I'm not only focused on the long term. I'm saying there is not anything to glean from the depth chart behind Rodgers last year. You saw nothing from either of them. I have a feeling if Rodgers would have went down for an extended amount of time, there's a good chance Boyle would have found himself as the #2 guy again because he was always going to be the back up QB, not because he was the better QB.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Also, only one QB is on the field at a time so if you feel like using the OLB depth chart, go ahead, but at least acknowledge the HUGE limits in comparing the QB depth chart to the OLB.

It's really funny that despite you saying and I assume believing this, you still put such importance on a rookie QB basically being shut down before the Covid season got underway.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

I'm not only focused on the long term. I'm saying there is not anything to glean from the depth chart behind Rodgers last year. You saw nothing from either of them. I have a feeling if Rodgers would have went down for an extended amount of time, there's a good chance Boyle would have found himself as the #2 guy again because he was always going to be the back up QB, not because he was the better QB.

We can only speculate, but if Rodgers went down and the Packers were say 7-2, they would have immediately signed a vet QB off the street and as soon as Boyle faltered, in comes the vet. Love wasn't ready due to no real practice for him or preseason games. He wasn't getting any playing time unless it was during a meaningless game.

If that really bothers you and you can't sleep at night, remember how many snaps Boyle played in 2020 (22 snaps, 0 passes, 13 rushes aka kneel downs, -9 yards), fast forward a year and who has been getting almost all the snaps in Camps this year, while Boyle is over in Detroit ahead of 3rd year (with Lions) player David Blough.

 

[OldSchool101]

As a QB of the future, Love, easy. As for who is more valuable that season? Up to the coach. Pick a discussion. The one I'm having, that last season Love was worse than Boyle. Or the the discussion you seem to want, long-term who is better? Cause that's Love.

Thank you. The end justifies the means.
I do appreciate you answering!