Packers 1st round selection, #12 overall: Rashan Gary, DE

[longtimefan]

When you watch the tape, play in and play out, opponents really have planned to stay away from Gary.

That, combined with his injury shortened season is what accounts for the lack of numbers.

Also I would add that Gary is still a bit raw in his pass rush technique. He'll gain the edge, and all that is needed is an arm over technique to break clear, but he doesn't have that move in his bag of tricks. Same thing with his under move.

Those things can be coached up.

Gary, if he doesn't go "fragile" on us, is a very talented play who should be a very productive pro.

Wow. Facts!

 

[Heyjoe4]

Anyone else feel a bit underwhelmed with this pick?

It’s a feast or famine pick. I’m ok with that in later rounds, but not with the 12th selection. Hoping for feast here..... He played with a lot of studs at MI and hopefully is waiting his chance.

 

[Patriotplayer90]

I watched someone break down the tape, and explain his impact. Either he cut out several plays, or my impression was that defenses were fearful of Gary. But he also seems like someone who could be coasting on athletic ability over skill, though he does seem very disciplined. The talent is off the charts. There is just nobody like him, IMO. He seems like he can get from point A to B in a way that nobody else of his size and strength can

 

[gbgary]

It’s a feast or famine pick.

nah. it could land somewhere in the middle too. he could have a 10 yr+, 80+ sack, career.

 

[GleefulGary]

nah. it could land somewhere in the middle too. he could have a 10 yr+, 80+ sack, career.

That would be a feast.

 

[gbgary]

That would be a feast.

that's clay matthews. a feast would be demarcus ware (130+) to reggie white (190+)...but everyone knows sacks aren't the be-all end-all.

 

[swhitset]

that's clay matthews. a feast would be demarcus ware (130+) to reggie white (190+)...but everyone knows sacks aren't the be-all end-all.

unfortunately... no I don’t think everybody does know that.

 

[Patriotplayer90]

I don't think that people realize how rare his traits are. He's instantly in the backfield, even while late off the snap. It doesn't matter what his stats or advanced stats are, he affects the game plan. He is lethal.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Gary is obviously a math wizard!

You must be logged in to see this image or video!

 

[TomBrownFan40]

I watched someone break down the tape, and explain his impact. Either he cut out several plays, or my impression was that defenses were fearful of Gary. But he also seems like someone who could be coasting on athletic ability over skill, though he does seem very disciplined. The talent is off the charts. There is just nobody like him, IMO. He seems like he can get from point A to B in a way that nobody else of his size and strength can

I call that phenomena The Adderley Effect. Packer haters often like to decry Herb Adderley as not HOF material because of stats. Those of us who were lucky enough to see him play know different. In his prime, Adderley would go half a season without anyone throwing a pass anywhere near him.

 

[gbgary]

I call that phenomena The Adderley Effect. Packer haters often like to decry Herb Adderley as not HOF material because of stats. Those of us who were lucky enough to see him play know different. In his prime, Adderley would go half a season without anyone throwing a pass anywhere near him.

 

[Spanky]

I'm hoping for the best but this guy has bust written all over him. Lack of production in college despite prodigious measurables + medical questions very often = BUST. This is not what I wanted from the #12 overall pick.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

A lot has been made of Gary's shoulder since he was drafted. Now this is the opinion of only one Doctor, but if he is correct, Gary's shoulder doesn't concern me all that much. However, I couldn't help think about Kevin King and his shoulder(s) while reading the article. My hope that King can stay on the field was low before reading this article and even lower after.

https://packerswire.usatoday.com/20...ld-be-low-about-rashan-garys-shoulder-injury/

 

[Mondio]

I think KK's shoulder injuries are because of joint laxity, probably something he's had all his life. I think gary is going to be fine. Not all that concerned, as I don't think he's prone to that injury, he just happened to have one. If that makes sense.

 

[PackerDNA]

Just read an article by Packer writer Rob Reichel on Gary, and there was an interesting comparison.
Frank Clark, Michigan 2011-2014. Had 11 career sacks. In 4 seasons with Seattle, 35 sacks, 9 forced fumbles.
Gary will be surrounded by excellent coaches and team mates who will put him in position to succeed. I think he'll end up being a very good player for us.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

Just read an article by Packer writer Rob Reichel on Gary, and there was an interesting comparison.
Frank Clark, Michigan 2011-2014. Had 11 career sacks. In 4 seasons with Seattle, 35 sacks, 9 forced fumbles.
Gary will be surrounded by excellent coaches and team mates who will put him in position to succeed. I think he'll end up being a very good player for us.

It would be awesome if Gary develops like Clark at the NFL level. Hopefully the Packers would be able to re-sign him after four years though.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Was great to listen to OLB Coach Mike Smith talk about Gary at today's Press conference. He is absolutely loving Gary and the Pick. Dawned on me that not only do we have the "Smith Brothers" at OLB, but we have Mike Smith coaching them!

Not sure if this link will work later, its going on live right now.

https://www.pscp.tv/w/1OyJAplnykgGb

 

[Heyjoe4]

This is the first time that I really can’t understand what the thought process is...perplexing to say the least.

Especially with who was still on the board. For now I’ll trust Gluten and the pick, but Gary has to prove himself (IMO), and that shouldn’t be the case with a #12 pick.

 

[Heyjoe4]

These are not the traits you pick with the number 12 pick.

• Production as rusher failed to match traits and talent
• Rush plan is somewhat basic at this stage of development
• Long-arm bull rush is his only real rush tool
• Hands lack skill and have yet to be unlocked as rush weapon
• Lacks classic hip bend to dip and run the arc
• Runs himself around the pocket rather than working back under
• Plays fast but with no regulator for control
• Lacks instincts and awareness for misdirections and counters
• Tends to lose pad level on inside counters
• Doesn't come to balance consistently as open-field tackler

I’m mot happy with the pick either. Sweat was available. Who else did you like in lieu of Gary?

 

[PackAttack12]

Especially with who was still on the board. For now I’ll trust Gluten and the pick, but Gary has to prove himself (IMO), and that shouldn’t be the case with a #12 pick.

It took some time after the pick was made for me to come around on it.

But to be clear...all guys have to come in and prove themselves.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Packers new OLB coach Mike Smith said he thought first-round pick Rashan Gary was "the best in college football at outside linebacker. That's the way I evaluated him." After speaking with him at the combine, Smith said he knew right then that Gary "loves football."As for the lack of production in terms of sacks (3.5 last year at Michigan), Smith said: "Never looked at the sack (numbers). I care about pressure. I'll take a guy who has zero sacks but affects the quarterback. He's still raw and has a lot to learn, but I see him affecting the quarterback."

Smith said quite a bit more about Gary today, all positive. Now I realize that Smith is Gary's coach, but just listening to Mike Smith and his comments, makes me like the Gary pick even more.

You must be logged in to see this image or video!

 

[GleefulGary]

Wow.

Mike Smith is saying the same things JanisJubilee said. Smart guy.

 

[sschind]

Especially with who was still on the board. For now I’ll trust Gluten and the pick, but Gary has to prove himself (IMO), and that shouldn’t be the case with a #12 pick.

So if they would have picked the guy you wanted are you saying he wouldn't have to prove himself. I'm not even sure what that means. Doesn't every rookie, or every player every year for that matter, have to prove himself.

If you are saying the #12 pick should be handed the starting job right of the bat I guess that's one thing but he still has to prove he is worthy of it.

 

[sschind]

It took some time after the pick was made for me to come around on it.

But to be clear...all guys have to come in and prove themselves.

You beat me to it PA12

 

[Deleted member 6794]

Wow.

Mike Smith is saying the same things JanisJubilee said. Smart guy.

Hopefully both of you are right about Gary. It might be smart to wait until he plays in meaningful games before you pat yourself on the back though.