Packers 1st round selection, #12 overall: Rashan Gary, DE

[Sunshinepacker]

Biggest issue with Gary, imo, is that he's been given a lot without having to really show as much as other players. People compare him to Everson Griffin, another special athlete with limited college production; well, Griffin was a 4th round pick and knew he had to work his butt off to even make the team, let alone get paid. Gary just got paid without having to play a snap and he knows there's no way he's being cut from the team for at least four years.

I want Gary to succeed, he's a Packer and I loved the emotion when he got picked. For those saying he "blew up plays" and the "stat sheet doesn't show everything", you're right. However, there were players that also "blew up plays" and DID show up on the stat sheet; it's not like Michigan was the only team in the country that played offenses who knew how to double-team defenders. He has elite talent, he just needs to actually start doing something with it when it comes to rushing the passer (the 12th pick in the draft is NOT about run defense, his selection will be made or broken on the productivity of his pass rush).

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Biggest issue with Gary, imo, is that he's been given a lot without having to really show as much as other players. People compare him to Everson Griffin, another special athlete with limited college production; well, Griffin was a 4th round pick and knew he had to work his butt off to even make the team, let alone get paid. Gary just got paid without having to play a snap and he knows there's no way he's being cut from the team for at least four years.

I want Gary to succeed, he's a Packer and I loved the emotion when he got picked. For those saying he "blew up plays" and the "stat sheet doesn't show everything", you're right. However, there were players that also "blew up plays" and DID show up on the stat sheet; it's not like Michigan was the only team in the country that played offenses who knew how to double-team defenders. He has elite talent, he just needs to actually start doing something with it when it comes to rushing the passer (the 12th pick in the draft is NOT about run defense, his selection will be made or broken on the productivity of his pass rush).

Sounds like you are trying to convince yourself to either really hate Gary or really try to like the guy, I honestly can't figure out which one.

 

[Sunshinepacker]

Sounds like you are trying to convince yourself to either really hate Gary or really try to like the guy, I honestly can't figure out which one.

I don't like the pick but I'm trying to remain hopeful that the Packers coaches will finally be the people to get Gary to reach his potential.

 

[longtimefan]

I don't like the pick but I'm trying to remain hopeful that the Packers coaches will finally be the people to get Gary to reach his potential.

I think you should read more up on him. His role at Michigan has to do with his non production..

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

I don't like the pick but I'm trying to remain hopeful that the Packers coaches will finally be the people to get Gary to reach his potential.

Fair enough and there are very few picks in the draft each year that you will probably find a fan base in total agreement on. Savage seems to be a guy that most Packer fans really like, but many think the price was too high.

Pretty much why they play the game, you just never really know until you start seeing what happens on the field. Stats and what a players has done in the past, never wins games that haven't been played yet, but still gives us all something to talk about.

 

[Sunshinepacker]

I think you should read more up on him. His role at Michigan has to do with his non production..

No player's role is to NOT get pressures. The "BJ Raji" role was always a myth.

To clarify, that role might have existed 15 years ago, but it doesn't exist in the modern NFL.

 

[longtimefan]

No player's role is to NOT get pressures. The "BJ Raji" role was always a myth.

To clarify, that role might have existed 15 years ago, but it doesn't exist in the modern NFL.

His role in college. Not what's it projected to be.

There are at least 2 videos in this thread detailing why his production was what it was. If not viewed please do so.

I have seen a few here flip flop their opinion on him after watching and reading more

 

[longtimefan]

https://m.cheeseheadtv.com/blog/A Peek into a Pro Football Scouting Report on New Packers LB Rashan Gary

@Sunshinepacker

 

[Sunshinepacker]

His role in college. Not what's it projected to be.

There are at least 2 videos in this thread detailing why his production was what it was. If not viewed please do so.

I have seen a few here flip flop their opinion on him after watching and reading more

I have seen many flip on their opinions after their favorite team drafted him; that, to me, is a good reason to think maybe there might be some bias creeping into some opinions.

Vita Vea, a 350+ pound DT at Washington, had more college pressures than Gary. Gary has AMAZING physical abilities, but he has not produced at a level commensurate with those abilities. He did not bat down a single pass in college, something that good edge defenders generally do at least occasionally in college (e.g., Josh Allen had 8, Khalil Mack had 25, Vernon Gholston had 1). While some might not care about defending passes from dlinemen, it's something that elite pass rushers do at least occasionally and not doing it AT ALL is not a great sign.

Hopefully the Packers' coaches can get the guy to focus his prodigious physical talents and refine his pass rush game into something truly elite.

 

[longtimefan]

I have seen many flip on their opinions after their favorite team drafted him; that, to me, is a good reason to think maybe there might be some bias creeping into some opinions.

Vita Vea, a 350+ pound DT at Washington, had more college pressures than Gary. Gary has AMAZING physical abilities, but he has not produced at a level commensurate with those abilities. He did not bat down a single pass in college, something that good edge defenders generally do at least occasionally in college (e.g., Josh Allen had 8, Khalil Mack had 25, Vernon Gholston had 1). While some might not care about defending passes from dlinemen, it's something that elite pass rushers do at least occasionally and not doing it AT ALL is not a great sign.

Hopefully the Packers' coaches can get the guy to focus his prodigious physical talents and refine his pass rush game into something truly elite.

Again until you read and watch what I posted you won't understand my point of view along with others.

I fully understand your side, please just read and watch

The flip flopers are ones that hated the pick as you do.. Now they are good with him

 

[Dantés]

I have seen many flip on their opinions after their favorite team drafted him; that, to me, is a good reason to think maybe there might be some bias creeping into some opinions.

For whatever else anyone my say, valid or invalid, this is undoubtedly true.

 

[longtimefan]

For whatever else anyone my say, valid or invalid, this is undoubtedly true.

I don't think this is the case here

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

For whatever else anyone my say, valid or invalid, this is undoubtedly true.

Of course and had the Bengals taken Gary with the #11 pick and the Packers selected Jonah Williams, Gary would be just a footnote in this forum and we would be spending all day debating about short arms.

 

[Dantés]

I don't think this is the case here

It may not be true of every individual fan, but it's absolutely true that some fans in every base convince themselves to like the pick that their team made after the draft. It's much more fun than being down in the dumps. At the same time, some people genuinely liked Gary before the draft (e.g. me) and others didn't have an opinion and have formed one without just being biased in his favor.

 

[longtimefan]

It may not be true of every individual fan, but it's absolutely true that some fans in every base convince themselves to like the pick that their team made after the draft. It's much more fun than being down in the dumps. At the same time, some people genuinely liked Gary before the draft (e.g. me) and others didn't have an opinion and have formed one without just being biased in his favor.

Ahh I thought you meant a fav b4 the draft and your team picked him

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

It may not be true of every individual fan, but it's absolutely true that some fans in every base convince themselves to like the pick that their team made after the draft. It's much more fun than being down in the dumps. At the same time, some people genuinely liked Gary before the draft (e.g. me) and others didn't have an opinion and have formed one without just being biased in his favor.

Yes, but some just like to wallow in negativity, no matter what. This is what makes them feel the best about themselves and is what they are used to. Kind of sad, but true.

 

[GleefulGary]

Yes, but some just like to wallow in negativity, no matter what. This is what makes them feel the best about themselves and is what they are used to. Kind of sad, but true.

If you're going to call me out, have the balls to say my name.

 

[Half Empty]

JanisJublilee

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

If you're going to call me out, have the balls to say my name.

I spent too many years calling out Jeff....I figured I better leave his Jubilee alone

 

[GleefulGary]

I spent too many years calling out Jeff....I figured I better leave his Jubilee alone

I should really get a new name.

KumerowsKrew?

GleefulGary?

JackedupJones?

 

[longtimefan]

I should really get a new name.

KumerowsKrew?

GleefulGary?

JackedupJones?

Gary's crush

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

I should really get a new name.

KumerowsKrew?

GleefulGary?

JackedupJones?

BrandonsB*tch

 

[Dantés]

DavisDweeb

 

[wist43]

When you watch the tape, play in and play out, opponents really have planned to stay away from Gary.

That, combined with his injury shortened season is what accounts for the lack of numbers.

Also I would add that Gary is still a bit raw in his pass rush technique. He'll gain the edge, and all that is needed is an arm over technique to break clear, but he doesn't have that move in his bag of tricks. Same thing with his under move.

Those things can be coached up.

Gary, if he doesn't go "fragile" on us, is a very talented play who should be a very productive pro.

 

[gbgary]

signed!