Packers 1st round selection, #12 overall: Rashan Gary, DE

[XPack]

yeah and sternberger is getting 87.

They should just expand the numbers to 3 digits.

 

[gopkrs]

Willie Davis

 

[sschind]

I fail to see a "melt down."

If someone "agrees" with a post, then what more really needs to be said? They agree.

If someone "disagrees" with a post, then the counterpoint needs to be explained, because it isn't self-evident in a red X.

I have no issue with getting a "disagree" on a post. But the purpose of a forum is discussion. If you're going to click the X, at least give me the benefit of a conversation.

Frankly, most of the time people just click the X and move on it's because they're upset about something and throwing a fit. That's just the reality.

I guess it depends on the content of the post. If its a single thought like I say I think Gary will be a starter from day one and someone gives me a disagree I don't really need any more explanation. They don't think so. Some posts have several points and sometimes they vary considerably in subject matter. "I think Gary will be starter from day one" and maybe "Davante Adams staying healthy will be key to our WR success." and " Aaron Jones has what it take to be the #1 RB but the question is can he stay healthy" and "Jimmy Graham was well worth what we paid him" All i get is a disagree with nothing else I'm thinking you don't agree that Adams staying healthy will be important?

 

[weeds]

Looks like he's getting #52.

Big shoes to fill.

Channel 2 in Green Bay showed Matthews' response to Gary getting #52: "The body isn't even cold yet. LOL"

That was funny...

 

[Packer Fan in SD]

My apologies Pugger. I meant to hit agree. Fat fingers strike again. I've corrected it.

My biggest issue is I usually am on phone or iPad and the little buttons to hit are really close together so I hit the wrong one a lot. If I get a call or one of my family then has a question or I am otherwise distracted I may not realize it and bingo, it is either like when I meant agree, dislike when I like, or whatever is next to what I actually wanted to press.

Even typing on my iPad (not one of the big ones, one of the smaller ones but I have big fingers and thumbs) I have had to do numerous corrections on this post reply.

 

[Poppa San]

My biggest issue is I usually am on phone or iPad and the little buttons to hit are really close together so I hit the wrong one a lot. If I get a call or one of my family then has a question or I am otherwise distracted I may not realize it and bingo, it is either like when I meant agree, dislike when I like, or whatever is next to what I actually wanted to press.

Even typing on my iPad (not one of the big ones, one of the smaller ones but I have big fingers and thumbs) I have had to do numerous corrections on this post reply.

ME: Alexa, read the Packer Forum.
Alexa: Post from Packer fan in ess dee. <drivel, point, nonsense, drivel>
A: shall I continue?
ME: Alexa mark that post with a funny.
A: Post marked with funny. Shall I continue?
ME: You bet your bippy you sweet li'l thing you.
A: I'm sorry, I don't understand that. Shall I continue?
ME: Alexa, continue.

[not yet but maybe in the next 5 years]

 

[gbgary]

ME: Alexa, read the Packer Forum.
Alexa: Post from Packer fan in ess dee. <drivel, point, nonsense, drivel>
A: shall I continue?
ME: Alexa mark that post with a funny.
A: Post marked with funny. Shall I continue?
ME: You bet your bippy you sweet li'l thing you.
A: I'm sorry, I don't understand that. Shall I continue?
ME: Alexa, continue.

[not yet but maybe in the next 5 years]

you're dating youself.

 

[Dblbogey]

I read on twitter earlier that Pettine was pretty giddy over adding him in the draft....Hopefully Pettine has a plan to develop Gary into a force. Here's a snippet of something when he was the DC for the Jets.

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I'm looking forward to seeing what Pettine can do with all the new additions. If we can avoid injuries better than we usually do, I could see this being a truly excellent defense by mid season.

 

[Poppa San]

you're dating youself.

Shazbot.

 

[PackAttack12]

This is the first time that I really can’t understand what the thought process is...perplexing to say the least.

After having time to process everything that happened prior to, and around, this pick, I'm now good with the selection. There are some question marks, sure. But his talent and skillset are ridiculously off the charts.

If Pettine gets through to him, this will be an absolute home run. He has all of the tools needed to eventually turn into the best player from this draft. The question will be can all of the pieces be put together.

Additionally, the Packers confidence in being able to snag Savage, IMO, allowed them to roll the dice a little bit on Gary.

These could be two cornerstone players for years to come.

 

[Mondio]

I've come to terms with it as well. My initial reaction was based on not really looking at the player before hand and seeing all the ones I took time to get to know a little bit, go 1 by 1 right before we were picking. I thought for sure we'd get one and there they all were, gone.

But if they can turn Fackrell into a 10 sack guy, this guy could double that

 

[gbgary]

Additionally, the Packers confidence in being able to snag Savage, IMO, allowed them to roll the dice a little bit on Gary.

These could be two cornerstone players for years to come.

roll the dice? confidence? i don't think one had to do anything with the other. i think gary was the best defensive player available, and supposedly the guy they targeted all along if he was there, when their turn came up at 12. i don't think the Packers had confidence they'd get savage. that's why they had to pay the price they did to move up to get him. kind of a panic move but they got their man. that's why the initial reaction was they reached to get him...until the colts/ravens interest in him came out. i think the Packers feel lucky they got both.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

i don't think the Packers had confidence they'd get savage. that's why they had to pay the price they did to move up to get him. kind of a panic move but they got their man. that's why the initial reaction was they reached to get him...until the colts/ravens interest in him came out. i think the Packers feel lucky they got both.

The Packers didn't panic to move up for Savage. Gutekunst anticipated he wouldn't be there at #30 and made a move to secure the top rated safety on their board.

We'll never know if it was necessary to trade up to select him though.

 

[longtimefan]

The Packers didn't panic to move up for Savage. Gutekunst anticipated he wouldn't be there at #30 and made a move to secure the top rated safety on their board.

We'll never know if it was necessary to trade up to select him though.

He said he knew for a fact he wouldn't be there at 30.. With ex raven coach on staff I'm. Sure he had some inside info. Ravens then traded their 22nd.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

He said he knew for a fact he wouldn't be there at 30.. With ex raven coach on staff I'm. Sure he had some inside info. Ravens then traded their 22nd.

I didn't have time over the weekend to listen to any of Gutekunst's press conferences. If he knew Savage wouldn't be there at #30 it was smart to move up.

 

[Dantés]

I didn't have time over the weekend to listen to any of Gutekunst's press conferences. If he knew Savage wouldn't be there at #30 it was smart to move up.

Or at least necessary if he felt that he had to have him. Time will tell if it was smart.

 

[GleefulGary]

Something I heard about Gary...despite his not so impressive stats, he was First Team Big 10 (voted by coaches) the past two years. Why? Because he made that defense go. He is why everybody got their stats. Ask Devin Bush. He made Devin Bush better. He made Chase Winovich better. He made their secondary better? Why? Because even if he wasn't making the play himself, he was blowing the whole play up. For Gary in particular, you don't see this if you box score scout. You've gotta watch him play.

Pettine is gonna love him. Line him up outside, line him up inside, stunt him, loop him, stand him up and rush interior/edge. He will make everybody on this defense better. It might not show up on his stat sheet, but it will on everybody else's. That's why the coaches in the Big 10 liked him so much, because they saw how he wrecked game plans. He was a huge reason Michigan had such a good defense.

 

[sschind]

Something I heard about Gary...despite his not so impressive stats, he was First Team Big 10 (voted by coaches) the past two years. Why? Because he made that defense go. He is why everybody got their stats. Ask Devin Bush. He made Devin Bush better. He made Chase Winovich better. He made their secondary better? Why? Because even if he wasn't making the play himself, he was blowing the whole play up. For Gary in particular, you don't see this if you box score scout. You've gotta watch him play.

Pettine is gonna love him. Line him up outside, line him up inside, stunt him, loop him, stand him up and rush interior/edge. He will make everybody on this defense better. It might not show up on his stat sheet, but it will on everybody else's. That's why the coaches in the Big 10 liked him so much, because they saw how he wrecked game plans. He was a huge reason Michigan had such a good defense.

What was Gary's comment before the draft. Something like "the stat sheet doesn't show havoc."

He knew the rap against him and he knew the answer. I get that other guys (Bosa, Williams etc) also faced a lot of double and triple teams and still put up numbers but I'm afraid Gary will never shake this perception. If he doesn't put up the numbers he will be seen as a bust even if his presence helps increase the numbers of everyone around him. While there may have been a few others I would have preferred at 12 I'm not upset at all that they took Gary and I absolutely love the Savage pick. I'm looking for a huge uptick in defensive production this year.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Something I heard about Gary...despite his not so impressive stats, he was First Team Big 10 (voted by coaches) the past two years. Why? Because he made that defense go. He is why everybody got their stats. Ask Devin Bush. He made Devin Bush better. He made Chase Winovich better. He made their secondary better? Why? Because even if he wasn't making the play himself, he was blowing the whole play up. For Gary in particular, you don't see this if you box score scout. You've gotta watch him play.

Pettine is gonna love him. Line him up outside, line him up inside, stunt him, loop him, stand him up and rush interior/edge. He will make everybody on this defense better. It might not show up on his stat sheet, but it will on everybody else's. That's why the coaches in the Big 10 liked him so much, because they saw how he wrecked game plans. He was a huge reason Michigan had such a good defense.

His coach, Jim Harbaugh said something very similar. Harbaugh laughed off all the pre-draft banter about Gary falling into the last part of the first round. Saying something like "that is what all the teams that want to pick him want everyone else to think, its just part of the draft game they all play with each other." JH thought Gary would be a top 10 pick, so I guess he got that part wrong.

 

[gbgary]

What was Gary's comment before the draft. Something like "the stat sheet doesn't show havoc."

He knew the rap against him and he knew the answer. I get that other guys (Bosa, Williams etc) also faced a lot of double and triple teams and still put up numbers but I'm afraid Gary will never shake this perception. If he doesn't put up the numbers he will be seen as a bust even if his presence helps increase the numbers of everyone around him. While there may have been a few others I would have preferred at 12 I'm not upset at all that they took Gary and I absolutely love the Savage pick. I'm looking for a huge uptick in defensive production this year.

i like that quote. chris simms called it something different..."F'up the play". as for the uptick...from your sentence to the scoreboard!

 

[wist43]

The one player in the draft, above all others, that just screams BUST!!!!!!

Still in shock...

When I was watching the combine I didn't pay any attention to this guy b/c I figured no way would Gute be dumb enough to draft him.

What a waste of a 1st round pick.

Just wanted to go on record as saying I have done a 180 on Gary.

I had a knee jerk reaction and admit I simply hadn't studied him enough.

After looking at his tape and hearing Gute's explanation, I'm fully onboard with the pick.

Love the Savage pick....

Think we have the potential to have a top 10 defense next year!!

 

[OldSchool101]

What’s the story with “502 to Right” disagreeing with everyone. Weird (ducking n hoping I don’t get hit over the head with a red X!)

 

[OldSchool101]

The issue with Gary is projecting. He’s relatively limited in overall experience, but what he’s shown is he’s an impressive athlete in that limited time. The biggest risk I see is he may take an extra year to turn heads.
It’s actually a good thing he didn’t have more tape or he would’ve went top 10 with stats extrapolated out.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

What’s the story with “502 to Right” disagreeing with everyone. Weird (ducking n hoping I don’t get hit over the head with a red X!)

Maybe that time of the month or he got a new box of crayons?

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

The issue with Gary is projecting. He’s relatively limited in overall experience, but what he’s shown is he’s an impressive athlete in that limited time. The biggest risk I see is he may take an extra year to turn heads.
It’s actually a good thing he didn’t have more tape or he would’ve went top 10 with stats extrapolated out.

I have no problem with rookies taking a year to develop. Matter of fact, I expect it and got tired of watching the Packers go through free agency with glaring holes, not attempting to fill them in free agency and than expecting a rookie to. Gute so far seems to have a better long range view and strategy than what we saw from TT.