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[longtimefan]

I think the point is, the Packers don't have a top second WR. Cobb maybe, MVS possible, Lazard...not yet. The difference in talent between Davante and the rest of our WR's is currently...HUGE.

This was brought up on wssp.
While there isnt a legit 2, they have Jones


So teams with a good 1 and 2, how is their rb?

 

[longtimefan]

Cant find recent post.

But it has been me mentioned numerous times. When Tae was out, we won and how was the pass distrubution?

 

[Deleted member 6794]

In other words, he throws to the same guy more than 1/3 or the time. That's not good distribution. Out of the 63% you reference, I wonder how many of those are to RBs on designed screens? I don't have hours to spare to crunch numbers but I would bet if you only look at downfield passes to WRs and TEs you would find about 2/3 of the time he throws at #17. Now, that said, he did improve his distribution today.

It shouldn't surprise anyone Rodgers targets Adams that much considering he's the best wide receiver in the game and the Packers don't feature another pass catcher that would be a #2 WR on most other teams.

 

[PackAttack12]

I think a lot of what you're seeing is that when teams play Davante (somewhat) straight up, he's almost always open and he's almost always the first read when the Packers are presented with those looks. It's natural that a no doubt top 3 WR in the NFL should get the most targets if he's left singled up, because he will cook opposing DB's up. Especially Davante.

When you have teams though that are hell bent on taking Davante away like yesterday, you see more balanced ball distribution.

I'm really not sure what the issue is.

 

[Mondio]

I think a lot of what you're seeing is that when teams play Davante (somewhat) straight up, he's almost always open and he's almost always the first read when the Packers are presented with those looks. It's natural that a no doubt top 3 WR in the NFL should get the most targets if he's left singled up, because he will cook opposing DB's up. Especially Davante.

When you have teams though that are hell bent on taking Davante away like yesterday, you see more balanced ball distribution.

I'm really not sure what the issue is.

The issue is Rodgers. He's too stubborn and proud to play the offense. it's him and Devante against the world because he has to prove it to everyone. He doesn't care about winning, just being "right". He won't throw to anyone else, let alone hit 6, 7,8 other receivers in a game.

He's also such a Diva that FA's won't sign here anymore and if they're free to sign with absolutely any team they'd like, there is zero chance they'll choose GB, because of Rodgers. For example, an 10 year productive vet gets cut mid season, he's not coming here as long as Rodgers is the QB and only if it's for a max contract. Nobody wants to play with this guy.

He's single handedly destroying this franchise and is everything wrong with Green Bay right now.

at least that's how some people see it. I'm not sure there's help for people like that.

 

[PackAttack12]

The issue is Rodgers. He's too stubborn and proud to play the offense. it's him and Devante against the world because he has to prove it to everyone. He doesn't care about winning, just being "right". He won't throw to anyone else, let alone hit 6, 7,8 other receivers in a game.

He's also such a Diva that FA's won't sign here anymore and if they're free to sign with absolutely any team they'd like, there is zero chance they'll choose GB, because of Rodgers. For example, an 10 year productive vet gets cut mid season, he's not coming here as long as Rodgers is the QB and only if it's for a max contract. Nobody wants to play with this guy.

He's single handedly destroying this franchise and is everything wrong with Green Bay right now.

at least that's how some people see it. I'm not sure there's help for people like that.

You basically nailed it. I tried going the civil approach though. This time.

 

[swhitset]

The issue is Rodgers. He's too stubborn and proud to play the offense. it's him and Devante against the world because he has to prove it to everyone. He doesn't care about winning, just being "right". He won't throw to anyone else, let alone hit 6, 7,8 other receivers in a game.

He's also such a Diva that FA's won't sign here anymore and if they're free to sign with absolutely any team they'd like, there is zero chance they'll choose GB, because of Rodgers. For example, an 10 year productive vet gets cut mid season, he's not coming here as long as Rodgers is the QB and only if it's for a max contract. Nobody wants to play with this guy.

He's single handedly destroying this franchise and is everything wrong with Green Bay right now.

at least that's how some people see it. I'm not sure there's help for people like that.

uh oh… now you’ve gone and made it even easier for them… all they have to do is cut and paste your words in every thread lol.

 

[BrokenArrow]

It shouldn't surprise anyone Rodgers targets Adams that much considering he's the best wide receiver in the game and the Packers don't feature another pass catcher that would be a #2 WR on most other teams.

That's simply not true. Larzard and MVS could easily compete for starting spots on a lot of teams. I already provided proof that they aren't the $hitty receivers you say they are be pointing to the fact that their production has increased considerably when Adams isn't on the field. Why? Because Rodgers is forced to distribute the ball better. If they were as horrible as you, in your infinite wisdom, claim they are then it stands to reason that they would produce LESS due to not having Adams to draw attention away from them. But that hasn't been the case. Rodgers hasn't really missed a beat without Adams.

 

[PackAttack12]

That's simply not true. Larzard and MVS could easily compete for starting spots on a lot of teams. I already provided proof that they aren't the $hitty receivers you say they are be pointing to the fact that their production has increased considerably when Adams isn't on the field. Why? Because Rodgers is forced to distribute the ball better. If they were as horrible as you, in your infinite wisdom, claim they are then it stands to reason that they would produce LESS due to not having Adams to draw attention away from them. But that hasn't been the case. Rodgers hasn't really missed a beat without Adams.

Rodgers hasn't really missed a beat with him either lol.

 

[swhitset]

Rodgers hasn't really missed a beat with him either lol.

that fact has escaped many in here.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

That's simply not true. Larzard and MVS could easily compete for starting spots on a lot of teams. I already provided proof that they aren't the $hitty receivers you say they are be pointing to the fact that their production has increased considerably when Adams isn't on the field. Why? Because Rodgers is forced to distribute the ball better. If they were as horrible as you, in your infinite wisdom, claim they are then it stands to reason that they would produce LESS due to not having Adams to draw attention away from them. But that hasn't been the case. Rodgers hasn't really missed a beat without Adams.

MVS and Lazard have combined for 29 receptions in the six games the Packers played without Adams over the past two seasons. While both of them caught some deep passes during those games there's no reason to use it as evidence they might be starters for a lot of teams in the league.

 

[BrokenArrow]

Rodgers hasn't really missed a beat with him either lol.

When he fails to see other guys open because he's only looking in one direction, yeah sometimes he does.

 

[BrokenArrow]

MVS and Lazard have combined for 29 receptions in the six games the Packers played without Adams over the past two seasons. While both of them caught some deep passes during those games there's no reason to use it as evidence they might be starters for a lot of teams in the league.

Your opinion, nothing more. I'll never understand why fanboys of one player think they have to hate on all the others. When you have a QB that zeroes in on one guy the majority of the time, everyone else's production stat-wise drops. Most teams don't have QBs who do that. We do. The tape tells the tale, not the box score.

The fact is that any rookie or young WR has limited opportunities to produce in Green Bay because at his age, Rodgers has pre-determined that he isn't going to throw to you unless he has no choice. That's the way it's been the last 5 or 6 years now. Hell, even if they had drafted Chase for him I doubt he would have more than a dozen catches. And BTW, I'm not the only one out there who recognizes Rodgers' tunnel-vision with Adams. Not by a LONG shot. Just because you're incapable of recognizing it doesn't mean it's not there.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Your opinion, nothing more. I'll never understand why fanboys of one player think they have to hate on all the others. When you have a QB that zeroes in on one guy the majority of the time, everyone else's production stat-wise drops. Most teams don't have QBs who do that. We do. The tape tells the tale, not the box score.

The fact is that any rookie or young WR has limited opportunities to produce in Green Bay because at his age, Rodgers has pre-determined that he isn't going to throw to you unless he has no choice. That's the way it's been the last 5 or 6 years now. Hell, even if they had drafted Chase for him I doubt he would have more than a dozen catches. And BTW, I'm not the only one out there who recognizes Rodgers' tunnel-vision with Adams. Not by a LONG shot. Just because you're incapable of recognizing it doesn't mean it's not there.

Interesting theory. However, it didn't seem to apply to players like Adams, Cobb, Jordy, Jones etc. when they were young.

While I do understand the notion that AR prefers his top players and why not, they have proven themselves. But, by doing that, it doesn't automatically allow you to say "well these other guys are better than they look, but AR won't give them the ball." I think the proof is to ask yourself..."How many of these so called "jilted players" have left Green Bay and had a better career elsewhere?"

 

[Deleted member 6794]

Your opinion, nothing more. I'll never understand why fanboys of one player think they have to hate on all the others. When you have a QB that zeroes in on one guy the majority of the time, everyone else's production stat-wise drops. Most teams don't have QBs who do that. We do. The tape tells the tale, not the box score.

The fact is that any rookie or young WR has limited opportunities to produce in Green Bay because at his age, Rodgers has pre-determined that he isn't going to throw to you unless he has no choice. That's the way it's been the last 5 or 6 years now. Hell, even if they had drafted Chase for him I doubt he would have more than a dozen catches. And BTW, I'm not the only one out there who recognizes Rodgers' tunnel-vision with Adams. Not by a LONG shot. Just because you're incapable of recognizing it doesn't mean it's not there.

You're actually the only one hating a Packers player in Rodgers. I would love the team to have another wide receiver performing at the same level as Adams but it's pretty obvious there's not another one currently on the roster even being close.

 

[BrokenArrow]

You're actually the only one hating a Packers player in Rodgers. I would love the team to have another wide receiver performing at the same level as Adams but it's pretty obvious there's not another one currently on the roster even being close.

There isn't another WR in the entire NFL right now who is even close. And recognizing a player's flaws isn't the same as hating that player. Being incapable of seeing such flaws does, however, make one a star-struck fanboy.

 

[longtimefan]

Your opinion, nothing more. I'll never understand why fanboys of one player think they have to hate on all the others. When you have a QB that zeroes in on one guy the majority of the time, everyone else's production stat-wise drops. Most teams don't have QBs who do that. We do. The tape tells the tale, not the box score.

The fact is that any rookie or young WR has limited opportunities to produce in Green Bay because at his age, Rodgers has pre-determined that he isn't going to throw to you unless he has no choice. That's the way it's been the last 5 or 6 years now. Hell, even if they had drafted Chase for him I doubt he would have more than a dozen catches. And BTW, I'm not the only one out there who recognizes Rodgers' tunnel-vision with Adams. Not by a LONG shot. Just because you're incapable of recognizing it doesn't mean it's not there.

He does focus in adams...how could you not? Makes perfect sense.

How ever

7 and 0 wo Adams. Thats not a fluke thats a trend

MLF can scheme a great game plan Or its luck

No denying wo Adams they are undefeated

I swear...if they could win a SB with out Adams... some still wouldn't like it

 

[Schultz]

Captain I for one do not hope your wish comes true because that could only happen if Adams level of performance dropped.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

There isn't another WR in the entire NFL right now who is even close. And recognizing a player's flaws isn't the same as hating that player. Being incapable of seeing such flaws does, however, make one a star-struck fanboy.

Let me summarize your take. You agree that Adams is the best wide receiver in the league yet Rodgers should go out of his way to target other pass catchers who wouldn't start for most other teams more often just for the sake of spreading the ball around more??? Doesn't make any sense.

Captain I for one do not hope your wish comes true because that could only happen if Adams level of performance dropped.

You're right, I should mentioned that I would love another receiver to perform at the level Adams is currently playing at. Unfortunately I agree that's unrealistic to expect out of another receiver on the Packers' roster.

 

[Schultz]

It's unrealistic to expect out of 98.76% of the receivers in the NFL.

 

[lambeaulambo]

Let me summarize your take. You agree that Adams is the best wide receiver in the league yet Rodgers should go out of his way to target other pass catchers who wouldn't start for most other teams more often just for the sake of spreading the ball around more??? Doesn't make any sense.



You're right, I should mentioned that I would love another receiver to perform at the level Adams is currently playing at. Unfortunately I agree that's unrealistic to expect out of another receiver on the Packers' roster.

It does make sense...spreading the ball around makes Adams even more deadly due to teams scheming away from him. Think back to the SB31 pack...other teams couldn't scheme due to Favre not caring about who was open, he'd hit the open guy, and all of the WR/TE's benefitted from it. Rodgers could do exactly the same thing and therein lies the key to an offense that is lethal.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

It does make sense...spreading the ball around makes Adams even more deadly due to teams scheming away from him. Think back to the SB31 pack...other teams couldn't scheme due to Favre not caring about who was open, he'd hit the open guy, and all of the WR/TE's benefitted from it. Rodgers could do exactly the same thing and therein lies the key to an offense that is lethal.

Opponents are well aware that Adams is by far the most talented pass catcher on the Packers. Rodgers targeting other receivers more often won't result in defensive coordinators suddenly not focusing on #17.

In addition you can't compare the 1996 Packers with this year's team as Favre didn't have an elite WR to throw to that season.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Opponents are well aware that Adams is by far the most talented pass catcher on the Packers. Rodgers targeting other receivers more often won't result in defensive coordinators suddenly not focusing on #17.

In addition you can't compare the 1996 Packers with this year's team as Favre didn't have an elite WR to throw to that season.

Exactly. I think this is the point some forget, Adams is head and shoulders way above the other WR's that the Packers have. Hell, Randall Cobb is #2 in yards and receptions of all the WR's and there are people on this forum who thought it was a mistake to bring him back. If Rodgers had better players at WR, this wouldn't even be talked about and in fact, Adams might be an even more dangerous target in that situation, since Defenses couldn't just focus on stopping him.

 

[lambeaulambo]

Opponents are well aware that Adams is by far the most talented pass catcher on the Packers. Rodgers targeting other receivers more often won't result in defensive coordinators suddenly not focusing on #17.

In addition you can't compare the 1996 Packers with this year's team as Favre didn't have an elite WR to throw to that season.

Freeman and Rison were both elite...Beebe...Keith Jackson/Chmura...come on.

 

[Sunshinepacker]

Freeman and Rison were both elite...Beebe...Keith Jackson/Chmura...come on.

Freeman became elite, but '96 was his second year in the league, he wasn't elite at that point. Rison was elite but he was also a mid year acquisition and only played five regular season games before the playoffs, so he wasn't even on the team most of the year.