Official studs and duds Viking game

[Pugger]

The problem with Graham/Lewis and this offense is that MLF is trying to make it a run first type offense and by keeping Graham on the field, he is trying to keep the defense honest. He wants Graham on there when they run the ball so he can disguise it. Graham is a liability on running plays just like Lewis is a liability on passing plays. Would love to see what Jace will bring to the offense since he is a pass catching threat and a blocking TE at the same time.

When can Jace return?

 

[Pugger]

it wasn't a call. it was a screw up. when MLF saw rodgers in a huddle on 4th down he should have called a timeout and brought the O off the field. has MLF given the strategic decisions over to rodgers too? lol

Both of them admitted to ******** that up.

 

[Pugger]

If he doesn't start producing I firmly believe he will wind up cut. He looks awful and is not creating space as a receiver. Slow is right. Forget it. Keep an extra OL in to help block in high pressure situations/run plays. I'd much rather see that.

Maybe, Graham becomes part of a trade?

Who'd take him?

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

When can Jace return?

I believe that if the Packers use one of their 2 potential IR returns on him, he can start practicing after the Raider Game (6 weeks) and start playing after the Chiefs Game (8 weeks).

At this time, I would think that would be the plan, unless 2 other "better" players go down with 6-8 week injuries between now and then and they want to use those 2 designations for them.

 

[Pugger]

Adams - 2nd round
MVS - 5th Round
Davis - 5th Round
Allison - UDFA
Kumerow - UDFA (on his third team)
Shepherd - UDFA
Lazard - UDFA
Saint Brown* - 6th Round

WHY IS ADAMS GETTING ALL THE TARGETS!!!

Because he is head and shoulders better than the rest of 'em and can consistently get open? He was productive with Hundley throwing to him for heaven's sake.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Who'd take him?

Well considering the Packers are on the hook for all his bonus money and his "salary" is only $3.45 M this season, someone desperate for a TE might. However, given the fact that Graham's salary next year is on the books for $7.45 M, that team would have to be pretty desperate and probably would not give up much in a trade, knowing that he is a one year rental.

 

[tynimiller]

Adams - 2nd round
MVS - 5th Round
Davis - 5th Round
Allison - UDFA
Kumerow - UDFA (on his third team)
Shepherd - UDFA
Lazard - UDFA
Saint Brown* - 6th Round

WHY IS ADAMS GETTING ALL THE TARGETS!!!

Yes....because round someone is drafted dictates playcalling or whom the quarterback targets.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Yes....because round someone is drafted dictates playcalling or whom the quarterback targets.

I know that you were saying that tongue in cheek and using Driver as an example of someone who was drafted in the 7th round, yet had an excellent NFL career. However, even though there is not a hard fast 100% guarantee that any player is going to do well based on draft position and there are plenty of examples that would prove a late round or UDFA can have success, there are more players in the history of the draft that would prove it to be correct. Higher draft picks are probably going to get more reps and attention right out of the gate. While that doesn't guarantee them success, the reps, patience, attention and probably the skills that made them a high pick, are going to help that history of "higher picks tend to do better" continue.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/prishe...nt-is-success-to-draft-position/#467ebc9a7495

 

[Mavster]

Because he is head and shoulders better than the rest of 'em and can consistently get open? He was productive with Hundley throwing to him for heaven's sake.

That was exactly my point. Over half our receiving group is made up of UDFAs.

 

[Mavster]

Yes....because round someone is drafted dictates playcalling or whom the quarterback targets.

Usually the more talented players get more targets since they have more ability to get open... How many late round / UDFA receivers are tearing up the NFL right now? Brown?

 

[sschind]

Correct. I might have eggs thrown at me but that’s s when you lean on experience. Trevor Davis and Jake Kumerow have enough off-seasons behind them to get out there and shine.
I said the same thing last year about using more of our TEs with Lance and a Marcades sitting on the bench. I nearly got castrated by posters in here and We flat out ignored our 2 veteran TEs in passing. A waste of 4M. How did it work in 2018 just “pressing on”?? Not so good beyond MVS and Davante.

I’d consider doing what Dallas did with Cooper and make our push now while it’s early. If we had an AJ Green type WR this O would instantly look better.

You mean a WR who can't stay healthy?

Just kidding, I love AJ Green he is is one of the few non Packer players I actually follow.. Sadly I think he may have come down with Randall Cobb disease. Just can't stay healthy.

Besides Green what WRs would you consider to be a Cooper like move. Not trying to put you on the spot with an "Oh yeah, who would trade for then" type response but who would you trade for

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Besides Green what WRs would you consider to be a Cooper like move. Not trying to put you on the spot with an "Oh yeah, who would trade for then" type response but who would you trade for

I think its obvious, we all want Antonio Brown!!

While I get the notion of "we need to trade for a starting WR", you ask a great question. It is week 2 and the last time I checked, nobody, except maybe the Dolphins have been officially eliminated from the playoffs just yet and thus probably not going to be willing to part with a player that is an immediate upgrade to the Packers. Finding such a player is also probably going to come at a steep price. Maybe the Steelers or the Saints, now that they lost their starting QB's, are willing to have a small fire sale on WR's, but I highly doubt it.

 

[AmishMafia]

Yes, but it was a huge turnover and switched the momentum in the game towards MN.

Adams has fumbled as well. Lets wait if its a pattern before we label him a liability.

 

[sschind]

Only problem is, how long does it take to get even a veteran WR on the same page as Rodgers?

if he is good enough to trade for it shouldn't take that long. It didn't tak TB and AB that long

All that said, it's the group that the Packers decided to hitch their wagons to in 2019. Short of trading away future assets to bring in other players, it is probably the group that the Packers will have to rely on and hope that they all can step up and become solid WR's. One other route the Packers could take is to kick the tires on a few available vets, but not so sure that would change much and probably too early to even think about doing.

The list of "Top" WR's that are currently FA's isn't very impressive to me:

1. Dez Bryant
2. Martavis Bryant
3. Kelvin Benjamin
4. Pierre Garcon
5. Deonte Thompson
6. Bruce Ellington
7. Jordan Matthews

There is not one WR in that group that would make our group much better.

I think its obvious, we all want Antonio Brown!!

While I get the notion of "we need to trade for a starting WR", you ask a great question. It is week 2 and the last time I checked, nobody, except maybe the Dolphins have been officially eliminated from the playoffs just yet and thus probably not going to be willing to part with a player that is an immediate upgrade to the Packers. Finding such a player is also probably going to come at a steep price. Maybe the Steelers or the Saints, now that they lost their starting QB's, are willing to have a small fire sale on WR's, but I highly doubt it.

Shepard from the Giants? Obviously Parker from Miami. We ain't getting Schuster or Thomas from the Steelers or Saints. I just don't know that there would be anyone, like you said, that would be much help that wouldn't come at a very steep price (money or pick) I think you were right when you said we cast our lot with these guys and we are going to roll with them. That said, Rodgers has been a bit off in the first two weeks and we have faced two pretty good defenses so i am willing to give them a bit more time to gel. Its not like we are 0-2 and desperate

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Yup and after week 1, I think if some posters were running the team, we would have gone out and got an entire new offensive line. Patience and make moves when the opportunities arise and make sense. I posted it earlier, but Denver and Philly (our next 2 games), I feel are going to be a much better indicator of what we have or don't have in the way off the offense.

 

[gopkrs]

Well, one thing for sure about that non-block by Graham. It was a coaching error. NO way he should be left one on one on a pass rusher. But evidently he was not getting open much either. Pretty soon it will be time to try another of our TEs if he can't get open.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

if he is good enough to trade for it shouldn't take that long. It didn't tak TB and AB that long

Well Antonio Brown is also a very talented WR, so someone like him stepping in wouldn't take long at all, of course, he would have to have two good feet that haven't been cryogenically frozen, a working helmet and leave his box of crackers at home.

But realistically, even a guy like Dez, that has a ton of experience, wouldn't just immediately fit into the Packer offense, it would take time. Blame that partially on Rodgers if you want, but there may only be a dozen or so WR's in the NFL that are THAT good to be able to meld right into anyone's offense.

 

[gbgary]

Yup and after week 1, I think if some posters were running the team, we would have gone out and got an entire new offensive line. Patience and make moves when the opportunities arise and make sense. I posted it earlier, but Denver and Philly (our next 2 games), I feel are going to be a much better indicator of what we have or don't have in the way off the offense.

the o-line had a good game. running game was clicking and rodgers had a lot of time.
denver and philly have tough defenses too. not sure why those teams would be a better indicator of our O?

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

denver and philly have tough defenses too. not sure why those teams would be a better indicator of our O?

I'm not going to fish the stats out again, I posted them earlier. But look at what other offenses/QB's have done to both the Broncos and the Eagles defenses.

People are trying to gauge just how good/bad our offense is and doing so with only what they did against 2 very good defenses (Bears/Vikings). Playing 2 more games, against Defenses that I don't believe are as good, will give everyone more data and perspective.

 

[gbgary]

I'm not going to fish the stats out again, I posted them earlier. But look at what other offenses/QB's have done to both the Broncos and the Eagles defenses.

People are trying to gauge just how good/bad our offense is and doing so with what they did against 2 very good defenses (Bears/Vikings).

i'd think a better indicator would be a better, more consistent, performance against a D at least as good as the ones we just played...dallas perhaps (?)...after some of the kinks are eliminated from the current O. kinks. we have lots of kinks.

 

[rmontro]

I totally thought we were going to lose this one, but the defense came through again. I'm not used to this!

I never gave up hope for the win, but I agree it's unusual seeing the defense pull out these games. Definitely not something we're used to.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

I never gave up hope for the win, but I agree it's unusual seeing the defense pull out these games. Definitely not something we're used to.

Yup, we have all sadly gotten too use to the defense, more than often, folding up like a cheap tent when the game is on the line. Very much a refreshing change to see a Defense that you can have some confidence in.

 

[elcid]

If we are not trading for a WR, which has its limits and hurdles, signing Dez Bryant is a no brainer to me. He won't demand much targets per se, he brings a ton of experience and commitment, and wouldn't be expensive. It would be a very flexible signing.

People argue that he won't be the same top 5 receiver that he was, but we won't be paying him to be one and we don't even need him to be one, we got DA17. And anyone arguing that we dont need him since our starters are better, tell me in all honesty that you believe that when Adams goes down we will fare better without Dez than we would with him in the team.

As for his "character flaws," there is no reason to believe he will blow up our locker room by any means, and if he does, our locker room was never strong to begin with. Honestly, a no brainer.

 

[PackAttack12]

yup. he can't get himself to throw to the guys he has other than adams. if he could be more favre-like, in that he will throw to anyone who's open, it would make things so much easier for him. the results would be better for the team too. you just know there's tape of him ignoring open guys yesterday too. yesterday the O looked too much like 2018 for there not to be.

Williams, Jones, MVS, Allison, Graham, Kumerow, Lewis, all had targets. In one of the last drives it was 3 straight passes to MVS, Jones and MVS again. Prior to that it was to Williams, to Graham and to Kumrow. Your narrative is old. Step back, re-*****, do something. But your bias is clearly clouding everything you do or say these days.

Does it come as any surprise that when @gbgary is confronted with facts that debunk his false narratives about AR, that he disappears and doesn’t respond? Just moves on to the next false narrative.

I don’t know if it’s getting comical or sad at this point.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

As for his "character flaws," there is no reason to believe he will blow up our locker room by any means, and if he does, our locker room was never strong to begin with. Honestly, a no brainer.

What makes you say this, about the locker room never being strong? Have you seen any of the players talking about each other, in the locker room? I have and I would say it seems quite the opposite, this team seems to have good chemistry. Taking the chance on poisoning the well with a bad apple wouldn't be smart IMO. While I acknowledge your point that he might be better than a lot of our receivers, I just wouldn't risk it.