Official GB vs Viks studs n duds

[PackAttack12]

Almost everyone played poorly, Rodgers included. But at the end of the day, the performance or lack there of for the entire football team falls squarely on the shoulders of the head coach.

Whether you want to say that the team quit, or lacked competitive fire, whatever the case may be, that's an indictment on McCarthy and it is time to move on.

I'm okay with criticisms of Rodgers after last night. There is definitely some justified criticism because he's not playing up to his normal all time great self, but we have seen issues with the entire football team all year long. Rodgers isn't firing on all cylinders, but he also pulled 2 games out of the fire for us that we probably had no business winning without all time great heroics.

The point in bringing that up? The team is flawed. Special teams blunders, HHCD running his mouth, Montgomery disobeying orders, disjointed offense, questionable decisions, awful game management, etc.

I've supported Mike McCarthy a lot in the past. But this marriage has ran its course. Until McCarthy is gone, nothing is going to change for the better for this football team.

 

[Dantés]

Different week, same ****. This offense is far less than the sum of its parts. It's completely broken. They need to clean house and start over. The MM offense that took the league by storm 10 years ago is passe and he has no answer. I could talk about indivisuals, but what's the point? Find someone who can coach an effective offense in 2018 and come back next year.

 

[Sunshinepacker]

“Loyalty” would be him resigning at the end of the season but he has to go for sure. I just don’t see under any circumstance him being back in 2019. The playoffs are out of reach and he had Rodgers the entire season....no excuses. The team hasn’t played a complete game all season, and they look uninspired at times...especially Rodgers. You can clearly see him and McCarthy are divided which is never good for the HC and Superstar QB. McCarthy is DONE

MM has needed to go for three years. It's nice that all of the fake excuses are gone this year; I don't mean that it's nice they're losing, it's just nice to finally prove what some have been saying for years, MM does less with more.

 

[fix8ed]

Dud.. Whole team

Noise cancelling headphones.....he'll be needing them.

 

[Mondio]

You keep saying this about Aaron Jones 4th down attempt, but it WAS an attempted run up the middle, against a very stacked Viking DL. Either that play shouldn't have been called or if it was, Rodgers should have audibled out of it once he saw the Viking defense line up. Look at the play before that the Packers ran. Same exact play, different Viking defensive alignment, slightly different results.

Will save you time, it's around the 6:35 mark of this:

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It was up the middle, i just assumed that since a safety made the play it was further out. My mistake. Maybe Adams should have done more than stand there? and still, if you can't get a couple inches when you need it, just how good are you?

Called an audible to what?

 

[rodell330]

MM has needed to go for three years. It's nice that all of the fake excuses are gone this year; I don't mean that it's nice they're losing, it's just nice to finally prove what some have been saying for years, MM does less with more.

Glad you mentioned that because I’ve been calling McCarthy a FRAUD for years!! If you know anything about me and the forums is that I cannot stand MM and it’s nothing new. I hate we stink...but I’m glad to see even those who supported him are finally starting to see that he is extremely overrated as a playcaller and HC and should’ve been gone.

 

[rodell330]

It was up the middle, i just assumed that since a safety made the play it was further out. My mistake. Maybe Adams should have done more than stand there? and still, if you can't get a couple inches when you need it, just how good are you?

Called an audible to what?

The simplest thing would’ve been to use a lead blocker...but again Mcdoofus outsmarted himself trying to be cute just like in the Rams game. Using a full back does two things....it gives you a lead blocker in case there’s penetration...it also convinces the defense even more that you’re actually going to an attempt a running play there ...which gives you more chances of having Rodgers actually fake the dive there and converting by keeping it on a bootleg. Again, low football IQ showed on McCarthys part.

 

[Mondio]

The simplest thing would’ve been to use a lead blocker...but again Mcdoofus outsmarted himself trying to be cute just like in the Rams game. Using a full back does two things....it gives you a lead blocker in case there’s penetration...it also convinces the defense even more that you’re actually going to an attempt a running play there ...which gives you more chances of having Rodgers actually fake the dive there and converting by keeping it on a bootleg. Again, low football IQ showed on McCarthys part.

of course it would be, until the Dline gets penetration and stones the lead blocker 2 yards in the back field blocking it up for a loss. Low IQ is realizing Rodgers hasn't hardly run for crap this year. i remember his bootleg 2, 3 weeks ago. Didn't work, we had to give the ball back to the other team. It's easy to say we should have called something else. But, if you can't get 3 inches, just how good are you?

 

[gopkrs]

Why did MM call a time out with 5 minutes left? I did not see a reason for it.

 

[gopkrs]

btw...I thought Mathews played well.

 

[Mondio]

btw...I thought Mathews played well.

except for when he way, way over played the inside run leaving Cousins in the open causing Tramon to have to step up and left his man open for the TD. Dominos fall when you don't do your job.

 

[rodell330]

of course it would be, until the Dline gets penetration and stones the lead blocker 2 yards in the back field blocking it up for a loss. Low IQ is realizing Rodgers hasn't hardly run for crap this year. i remember his bootleg 2, 3 weeks ago. Didn't work, we had to give the ball back to the other team. It's easy to say we should have called something else. But, if you can't get 3 inches, just how good are you?

If Mercedes Lewis is as good as a blocker as advertised? I doubt he gets blown up by Harrison Smith dude. Also last night they pointed out several times that Rodgers was moving better than he has at any point this season so Id hardly call it low IQ to put him out on a boot there....and nowhere was it mentioned to call something else. You could’ve calle the same exact play using AGAIN...a LEAD blocker.

 

[Mondio]

If Mercedes Lewis is as good as a blocker as advertised? I doubt he gets blown up by Harrison Smith dude. Also last night they pointed out several times that Rodgers was moving better than he has at any point this season so Id hardly call it low IQ to put him out on a boot there....and nowhere was it mentioned to call something else. You could’ve calle the same exact play using AGAIN...a LEAD blocker.

and it still could have NOT worked. it could have worked if Adams tried to at least get in Harrison's way. Could have worked had they gotten any push at all. Could have worked if 2 guys didn't get instant penetration over the center. A lead blocker could easily have just been another body in the backfield to avoid.

 

[shockerx]

and it still could have NOT worked. it could have worked if Adams tried to at least get in Harrison's way. Could have worked had they gotten any push at all. Could have worked if 2 guys didn't get instant penetration over the center. A lead blocker could easily have just been another body in the backfield to avoid.

Harrison smith pulls that play off perimeter every week, lines up at line and burst in without being blocked, simple film review would show that...you should know tendency of your 2 time a year rival.

 

[HardRightEdge]

The simplest thing would’ve been to use a lead blocker.

The simplist thing would be a QB sneak on a silent count.

 

[Mondio]

Harrison smith pulls that play off perimeter every week, lines up at line and burst in without being blocked, simple film review would show that...you should know tendency of your 2 time a year rival.

They needed like 3 inches, if you can't get that from your run game how good are you? you think they don't do film review or notice things? LOL Leading up to last night the talk all damn week everywhere was how on 3rd and 4th and short we've been passing 90 some percent of the time and how predictable it was. all week long we have a great run game we don't use and every time we pass on a 3rd and 4th and short situation, it's always too deep and why don't we just run. Today, we should have passed on 4th and inches.

 

[pacmaniac]

https://www.si.com/nfl/2018/11/26/green-bay-packers-offense-problems-mike-mccarthy-aaron-rodgers

 

[shockerx]

They needed like 3 inches, if you can't get that from your run game how good are you? you think they don't do film review or notice things? LOL Leading up to last night the talk all damn week everywhere was how on 3rd and 4th and short we've been passing 90 some percent of the time and how predictable it was. all week long we have a great run game we don't use and every time we pass on a 3rd and 4th and short situation, it's always too deep and why don't we just run. Today, we should have passed on 4th and inches.

im okay with the run call. you have a packer WR...Adams in position to block Smith and didnt even look his way. I agree with a fullback. you have 3 opitions fullback dive. fullback as lead blocker, or fake to fullback and pitch to jones.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

It was up the middle, i just assumed that since a safety made the play it was further out. My mistake. Maybe Adams should have done more than stand there? and still, if you can't get a couple inches when you need it, just how good are you?

Called an audible to what?

If we can assume MM gives Rodgers the ability to audible in that situation, I can think of a number of plays that probably have a better chance of success than the one run and yes they include passing the ball, which I know you will say "would end up in the dirt", but how did the play call work out in the past as well?

Given how the Vikings lined up and the personnel that AR had out there, to me its a no brainier to audible out or at minimum, call a timeout. Timeouts in that situation are a lot more palatable to me than using them on 1st and 10 and burning them because you mismanaged the play clock.

 

[shockerx]

This Offense needs new guards and a tackle. thats the problem with Rodgers, thats the problem running 3rd one 4th and one.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

you're right on that, there are only so many wide open TD's you're going to get in this league and if you can't hit them, things won't get better. Poor play call, poor execution by everyone except the QB right?

Again, you are taking what I said and trying to twist it to something that I did not mean. I am not absolving AR of his mistakes. He made quite a few tonight and this season. What I am saying is that AR is one guy of 53 and if coaches and the other 52 guys don't do their jobs at a higher level, we see the results. If AR isn't wearing his Superman cape during many games, we probably lose. How hard is it to see after last season and this current season that the Packers need AR playing at a very high level to even be in most games. Time to put better players and coaches around him so that when AR has an off night or isn't on the field, the other 52 can team together to still win games.

 

[swhitset]

https://www.si.com/nfl/2018/11/26/green-bay-packers-offense-problems-mike-mccarthy-aaron-rodgers

Few in here want to believe this. I’m guessing because they all think/hope replacing McCarthy will fix everything. I actually hope that is true, because if it’s not... well....

 

[Mondio]

Again, you are taking what I said and trying to twist it to something that I did not mean. I am not absolving AR of his mistakes. He made quite a few tonight and this season. What I am saying is that AR is one guy of 53 and if coaches and the other 52 guys don't do their jobs at a higher level, we see the results. If AR isn't wearing his Superman cape that night, we probably lose. How hard is it to see after last season and this current season that the Packers need AR playing at a very high level to even be in most games. Time to put better players and coaches around him so that when AR has an off night or isn't on the field, the other 52 can team together to still win games.

none of those plays were superman plays. They were relatively common place among NFL QB's. But you're right, I don't expect stellar from McCray, Pankey, and Spriggs, I do expect wide open TD's to be converted by a 30 million a year QB, especially after he just missed the easy completion for the first down.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Few in here want to believe this. I’m guessing because they all think/hope replacing McCarthy will fix everything. I actually hope that is true, because if it’s not... well....

I agree with you, but the Packers seem to have 2 choices as an organization right now. Chalk a second bad season up to injuries and only needing to fill some holes at a few positions. Or they can say "we need new energy and a new outlook and that starts with the coaches".

Option 1, if taken, I doubt changes things enough to be a SB contender in 2019. Seems more like slapping a band aid on a broken leg. Option 2 can incorporate option 1 and go one of 2 ways. You find a new coaching staff that rights the ship or you find a less competent staff that makes things worse.

Given that this doesn't appear to be a season that is going to be "oh we just missed the SB", but one of having to fully admit "we really aren't that great of a team anymore", I would take my chances with option 2 and hope Gute knows enough to assemble a better coaching staff, while continuing to make player changes in a positive direction. He still has enough keys components of a very good team, but IMO he needs to find coaches who can properly assemble all the old and new parts to field a more competitive and disciplined team.

But yes, scary proposition.....business as usual or strip it way down and hope you hire better coaches.

 

[swhitset]

I agree with you, but the Packers seem to have 2 choices as an organization right now. Chalk a second bad season up to injuries and only needing to fill some holes at a few positions. Or they can say "we need new energy and a new outlook and that starts with the coaches".

Option 1, if taken, I doubt changes things enough to be a SB contender in 2019. Seems more like slapping a band aid on a broken leg. Option 2 can incorporate option 1 and go one of 2 ways. You find a new coaching staff that rights the ship or you find a less competent staff that makes things worse.

Given that this doesn't appear to be a season that is going to be "oh we just missed the SB", but one of having to fully admit "we really aren't that great of a team anymore", I would take my chances with option 2 and hope Gute knows enough to assemble a better coaching staff, while continuing to make player changes in a positive direction. He still has enough keys components of a very good team, but IMO he needs to find coaches who can properly assemble all the old and new parts to field a more competitive and disciplined team.

But yes, scary proposition.....business as usual or strip it way down and hope you hire better coaches.

I agree with this... but i’m guessing you didn’t read the linked article.... because I really agree with the points made in it about Rodgers...and i’m not convinced a new coach is going to fix that.