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Smoke and mirrors. D was extremely overrated. Packers will be easy to beat by just running the ball. If these players have played this long and don't know how to tackle runners, there's no hope. No WRs other than Adam's. Aaron Jones, overrated. It will be an amazing achievement if this team finishes 8-8.
.....this:
Anyone watching Jaire Alexander, Kenny Clark, the Smith's, Savage, and others during the first three weeks of the season and saying "eh... smoke and mirrors" has no idea what they're talking about.
 

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Anyone watching Jaire Alexander, Kenny Clark, the Smith's, Savage, and others during the first three weeks of the season and saying "eh... smoke and mirrors" has no idea what they're talking about.
Agreed ... it’s not smoke and mirrors. However every team has weaknesses and the Eagles had 3 weeks of game tape to identify the Packers’. There is definitely a weakness in the middle right now both against the run and short passing game. The question remains whether or not Pettine can get that fixed. I don’t think there is any question that we need help and or an upgrade at inside linebacker, but that doesn’t change the fact that the overall defense is much better than in the past. On offense, Rodgers looked much better to me ... I do think we may need another really good WR, but I always thought this was going to take a couple of years. Overall, I’m happy with the progress.
 

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It's close to impossible to acquire an elite right tackle at this point of the season.



It's a fact the Packers offensive line doesn't excel blocking for the run. Therefore it doesn't make any sense to target a specific amount of rushing attempts. With Rodgers starting the offense will always be centered around throwing the ball.



Again, the Packers will never feature a run heavy offense with Rodgers behind center.



It wouldn't make any sense for the Packers to acquire a left tackle. It



There's no way to predict how Williams would adapt being moved to right tackle. Considering it would take a significant investment to acquire him I'm definitely opposed to the idea.
I don’t recall standing on the table in your breakfast nook, whipping it out and pissing in your cornflakes. Like, ever.
 

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Smoke and mirrors. D was extremely overrated. Packers will be easy to beat by just running the ball. If these players have played this long and don't know how to tackle runners, there's no hope. No WRs other than Adam's. Aaron Jones, overrated. It will be an amazing achievement if this team finishes 8-8.
I disagree with everything here, except the Packers must show they can stop the run.
 

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Duds: Special teams,run defense and goal line offense.
Studs:Not much,but a glimmer of hope that our offense can adjust,some. If Adams had went out in a game last year like he did Thursday night,offense would have folded. Instead MLF tried to get the TE's involved and get more creative even though some of the execution and end result wasn't as we would have liked.
Overall,I feel good about this team,3/4 of a season to go and I think we will see the offense evolve even more as Vitale and the TE's become our safety net when the WR's get shut down.
 
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Aaron Jones, overrated. It will be an amazing achievement if this team finishes 8-8.

I disagree with the rest of your post as well but the offensive line struggling to block for the run is the main reason Aaron Jones has struggled in three of four games this season.
 

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I disagree with the rest of your post as well but the offensive line struggling to block for the run is the main reason Aaron Jones has struggled in three of four games this season.
True.

I was not intimating earlier starting OTs grow on trees. I had already mentioned there is a unique situation with WAS & Trent Williams, who refuses to play for WAS. 7-time Pro Bowl LT.

Been wanting Gutes to trade for him since OTAs. The longer the wait, the higher the price.

But, what price = losing Rodgers to injury because we have ZERO quality LT/RT depth?

I would venture to say 100% of Packer fans expected Bulaga would be injured this season.

Williams is still available. We should make that move now.
 
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True.

I was not intimating earlier starting OTs grow on trees. I had already mentioned there is a unique situation with WAS & Trent Williams, who refuses to play for WAS. 7-time Pro Bowl LT.

Been wanting Gutes to trade for him since OTAs. The longer the wait, the higher the price.

But, what price = losing Rodgers to injury because we have ZERO quality LT/RT depth?

I would venture to say 100% of Packer fans expected Bulaga would be injured this season.

Williams is still available. We should make that move now.

Once again, Trent Williams has never played right tackle in the NFL for any extended period of time. It wouldn't be smart to give up significant investment for a 31-year old player who has to switch positions.
 

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Once again, Trent Williams has never played right tackle in the NFL for any extended period of time. It wouldn't be smart to give up significant investment for a 31-year old player who has to switch positions.
Agreed. This has been said already... but he is 31 years old! Unless we could get him for a fourth round pick and he was willing to take right tackle money on a short term contract... I would say no way. And since those things can’t or won’t happen... it’s not worth the continued discussion.
 

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Once again, Trent Williams has never played right tackle in the NFL for any extended period of time. It wouldn't be smart to give up significant investment for a 31-year old player who has to switch positions.
I could give an F. The dude is a legit 7 time Pro Bowl OT. What are our options behind Bahktiari? Who is it exactly we are trying to protect? I mean, come on... you don't think he could play RT?

wow.

The age wall generally begins at 32 for Offensive Tackles. Begins. This is a player with incredible talent and experience. Last ranking was #3 in the NFL.

A 4th??? swhitset??? Get serious. If we can get two solid years out of him to protect Aaron Rodgers, please, bring it on. I want to help insure his health and protection, while also provide the best blocking talent available. I'd toss a R1 for that immediate level of protection for 2 years... No problem.

Are you seriously talking value shopping to protect Aaron Rodgers with 1 month before trade deadline?

I want us to win Super Bowls. Not the draft pick count or cap championship.
 
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Studs- Rodgers was magnificent
Adams can't be consistenly covered
Amos- Was all over field making sure tackles
Alexander - Again tight coverage
Duds - d line - they were physically whipped getting pushed around
Mason Crosbar - His poor kickoffs changed momentum and field position. His contribution to the loss can't be overlooked.
O line- Like the d line they got whipped. Absolutely nothing out of them in the running game.
 

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I could give an F. The dude is a legit 7 time Pro Bowl OT. What are our options behind Bahktiari? Who is it exactly we are trying to protect? I mean, come on... you don't think he could play RT?

wow.

The age wall generally begins at 32 for Offensive Tackles. Begins. This is a player with incredible talent and experience. Last ranking was #3 in the NFL.

A 4th??? swhitset??? Get serious. If we can get two solid years out of him to protect Aaron Rodgers, please, bring it on. I want to help insure his health and protection, while also provide the best blocking talent available. I'd toss a R1 for that immediate level of protection for 2 years... No problem.

Are you seriously talking value shopping to protect Aaron Rodgers with 1 month before trade deadline?

I want us to win Super Bowls. Not the draft pick count or cap championship.
You have taken the shiny beads dream pill.
 

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Seriously, dude. Maybe you don't see OT depth as a major concern on this team? Fine. I do, and it is a realistic possibility to add incredible depth. Williams will never again play for WAS, and they are in front of a fire sale anyway.

If you do see OT depth as a concern, what options will you offer as possibilities? I'd love to hear that instead of that kind of garbage you just tossed. Have some stones and throw your ideas out on the table. Snipes are cheap AF.
 

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Seriously, dude. Maybe you don't see OT depth as a major concern on this team? Fine. I do, and it is a realistic possibility to add incredible depth. Williams will never again play for WAS, and they are in front of a fire sale anyway.

If you do see OT depth as a concern, what options will you offer as possibilities? I'd love to hear that instead of that kind of garbage you just tossed. Have some stones and throw your ideas out on the table. Snipes are cheap AF.
You are simply repeating yourself ... thinking that will somehow change everone’s mind. if the answer was easy, i’m sure Gute would have already done it. Of course left tackle is important... that doesn’t make your idea any more smart or workable.
 

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and had we won, you would have attributed the win to who?

Could Rodgers have played a little better? Maybe, but come on man, he has one weapon on Offense and that guy was on the sidelines for the last half of the 4th Q.


He also AGAIN had the ball in his hands when we needed 6, and in a situation where he could get it...and didn't.
 
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True.

I was not intimating earlier starting OTs grow on trees. I had already mentioned there is a unique situation with WAS & Trent Williams, who refuses to play for WAS. 7-time Pro Bowl LT.

Been wanting Gutes to trade for him since OTAs. The longer the wait, the higher the price.

But, what price = losing Rodgers to injury because we have ZERO quality LT/RT depth?

I would venture to say 100% of Packer fans expected Bulaga would be injured this season.

Williams is still available. We should make that move now.
If he also played WR? I’d strongly consider this.

J/k greengold! I’m just busting your guys chops! :D
 
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I could give an F. The dude is a legit 7 time Pro Bowl OT. What are our options behind Bahktiari? Who is it exactly we are trying to protect? I mean, come on... you don't think he could play RT?

wow.

I don't know if Williams would be able to excel at right tackle as it's a completely unknown with him not having played the position. While I would be fine thinking about moving someone on the roster to take such a chance there's no way to give up an early round draft pick and a ton of money to figure it out.

In addition he's definitely way too expensive to be brought in as Bakhtiari's backup.
 
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Smoke and mirrors. D was extremely overrated. Packers will be easy to beat by just running the ball. If these players have played this long and don't know how to tackle runners, there's no hope. No WRs other than Adam's. Aaron Jones, overrated. It will be an amazing achievement if this team finishes 8-8.
Okay desert...since you said amazing of 8 and 8...what is it now?
 

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Okay desert...since you said amazing of 8 and 8...what is it now?
I think he said Lynch is going to go Beastmode all over us and then WIlson will run wild. We're going to lose. Just like we were going to lose to the Lions, and the Vikings, and the Bears and would be lucky to beat the Redskins and on and on and on.

You can bet the first 5 yard run, he'll be getting all excited to tell us all how bad this team is. Of course the first 3 and out our defense gets, he'll disappear.
 

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Means we stand a good chance to lose. A good QB with one WR. A defense that plays mystery date every game. Even if we somehow win, there is NO chance with SF Defense when they go there. O chance. I am not sure what you were trying to get me to say or admit...but whatever. I stand by what I said. An 8-8 team with a 13-3 record.
 

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Means we stand a good chance to lose. A good QB with one WR. A defense that plays mystery date every game. Even if we somehow win, there is NO chance with SF Defense when they go there. O chance. I am not sure what you were trying to get me to say or admit...but whatever. I stand by what I said. An 8-8 team with a 13-3 record.
Game hasn’t even been played and already in with your excuses and prognostications for next week. So predictable lol
 
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