OFFICAL Studs and Duds - GB at Washington

[Pokerbrat2000]

It really seems like Washington adjusting their game plan in the second half helped out the Packers defense. Smith only threw it five times in the third and fourth quarter.

Totally agree. Peterson was running well enough, or Packers just weren't stopping him, to survive a big lead, as well as run the clock. Had Washington continued to go after Brice, Ha Ha and our linebacker coverage, who knows how many more points they could have scored.

 

[James from IL]

Not really any STUDS in my opinion. Rodgers gets a nod for grit I suppose, but he didn't play the best.
Geronimo looks good yet again. A bright spot on a dud offensive day.
Same can be said for Aaron Jones.. it's clear he's the best back we have.. give him more carries please!

DUDS:
House and the Safeties.
Playcalling
O line
Drops...
Tackling...

 

[Title Town USA]

Dud: Still acting like Ty Montgomery is a running back.

 

[DarkHelmet]

Studs:
Scott: Worth the draft pick and then some. Handled lousy snaps in wet conditions on the road as a rookie. Big thumbs up.
Matthews: He's played very well so far this season with the exception of the roughing against the Bears (the one that actually WAS roughing the passer). The guy has got to be frustrated as heck. The sack he was flagged for yesterday was picture perfect. Exactly what you want your pass rushers to do. Insanely stupid for the ref to flag it.
Monty: does what he's asked and does it well.
A. Jones: looked good in limited action. If we'd been holding a lead in the second half instead of trying to climb out of a huge hole he'd have had 100+ yards I think.

Duds:
Brice: Clearly not capable of starting, and I don't even like him as a back up at this point.
House: He was never more than barely serviceable for us in the old days. Now he's not serviceable.
The entire defense in first half: totally ineffective. I put this on the coach.
The offense: Utterly ineffective in the first half and not all that much better in the second half. They were never really in the game despite a few individual good plays. I put this on the coach.
Rodgers: not his best game. He was off target on a couple of short throws (the one way behind Adams comes to mind). Failed to throw out of a sack when the pocket was in the process of collapse.I'll cut him a little slack because of the knee injury.

Special mention duds:
Refs: so many ticky-tack calls in addition to the roughing call that was totally wrong. The game was almost unwatchable. Worse, there was no consistency. Holding and PI could be called on practically every play. Call it evenly, or don't call it at all. Ugh. Another display like that from the refs and I'll find something else to do on Sunday afternoons.

That said, the refs didn't cost us this game as they cost us last week's. This loss was on a pathetic first half defense and an utterly ineffective offense. I'm not convinced the second half defense was really any better -- the Skins simply went ultra conservative when they had the big lead. Pettine: get it together quickly. Yesterday's effort was about as bad as anything Capers ever put out there.

 

[James from IL]

Yes, and that. Ty has a skill set we can use.. but not the way we've been using it.. especially with Jones running so well..

 

[HardRightEdge]

Here's an example of pessimistic thinking.

LOL

 

[HardRightEdge]

It really seems like Washington adjusting their game plan in the second half helped out the Packers defense. Smith only threw it five times in the third and fourth quarter.

Yup. As teams tend to do, Washington's offense got more conservative when backstopped by a large lead. I didn't note any particular defensive adjustments in the second half. From the Packer's side, if anything, it was a matter of the defense coming out flat and getting read the riot act at halftime.

If Petine had some unkind words for the team's reaction to the first Matthews roughing penalty he surely had a few things to say about that first half performance.

 

[Sunshinepacker]

Studs: Kenny Clark and Mike Daniels played pretty well
Bakhtiari continues to be the shining light on the oline
Aaron Jones (his lack of involvement will be brought up shortly)

Duds: MM....hey, when he's got a dominant oline, great WRs, and the best QB in history he can field a good offense....when he doesn't have that though his many, many flaws stand out
TT's terrible drafts at the end of his career are haunting this team to this day; don't care who the DC is, a team with no pass rush, two rookie corners playing heavy snaps, and a strong safety with the coverage ability of Gilbert Brown do not a good defense make.
Drops
Weather
MM again because he's just awful

 

[Jerellh528]

Stud: Jk Scott

Dud: basically everyone else. There’s no excuse to come out so flat and get in a huge hole against Washington like that.

I don’t think we suck, I think we just had a hell of a stinker. I hope jones can come in and be an improvement over Brice.

 

[HardRightEdge]

The Packers would save $3.6 million of cap space by releasing Perry next offseason. The move would result in $11.1 million of dead money counting against the cap though.

It's an example of the silent guarantees that attach to dead cap. With a contract like this, the question isn't whether he'll be worth his $14.7 million cap number in 2019. The question is whether he's worth more than the $3.6 mil in cap savings. Or stated another way, can you buy better edge player performance in the FA market for 1 year / $3.6 mil? These days it buys a serviceable rotational vet. That's an awfully low bar. He may have been playing through some undisclosed medical issue. It wouldn't be the first time. Pretty common, actually. There's still a long way to go before assessing his 2019 value relative to that modest savings.

If he's ******* it or having an adverse affect in the clubhouse then, yes, he's not worth that cap savings.

 

[PackAttack12]

What was everyone's thought on the 61 yard FG attempt?

I think in that situation, I would have preferred to see an attempted hail mary.

 

[Mondio]

Studs: Kenny Clark and Mike Daniels played pretty well
Bakhtiari continues to be the shining light on the oline
Aaron Jones (his lack of involvement will be brought up shortly)

Duds: MM....hey, when he's got a dominant oline, great WRs, and the best QB in history he can field a good offense....when he doesn't have that though his many, many flaws stand out
TT's terrible drafts at the end of his career are haunting this team to this day; don't care who the DC is, a team with no pass rush, two rookie corners playing heavy snaps, and a strong safety with the coverage ability of Gilbert Brown do not a good defense make.
Drops
Weather
MM again because he's just awful

Dominant offensive line? LOL did you watch?
Great WRs? Well one of those great WRs was personally responsible for 3 turnovers because he couldn’t hang on to the ball at all. Toss in Kendrick’s crap and that’s 16 less opportunities for this offense. That’s significant

 

[Mondio]

What was everyone's thought on the 61 yard FG attempt?

I think in that situation, I would have preferred to see an attempted hail mary.

Me too

 

[Title Town USA]

What was everyone's thought on the 61 yard FG attempt?

I think in that situation, I would have preferred to see an attempted hail mary.

Definitely agree. Not to mention, they could have had a TD on that drive had we used our timeouts on the previous series for the Redskins.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Definitely agree. Not to mention, they could have had a TD on that drive had we used our timeouts on the previous series for the Redskins.

One of my biggest Pet Peeves is poor clock management and the use of timeouts. With all the money spent by NFL teams, you would think they would hire one guy, who does nothing but sit in the press box, has a great knowledge of clock strategy and has the ability to get right into McCarthy's ear and say "timeout NOW!" Of course, we have no way of thinking what MM is thinking in that situation. There have been times when he calls timeouts to try and get the ball back at the end of the first half and it backfires when the other team picks up big yards on the next play. Yesterday, I think he was just content at letting the first half end with no more embarrassment.

 

[DarkHelmet]

Clock management was poor again. I understand MM has been burned in the past by trying to save clock time before the half only to see it blow up as points for the other team. But when you're in a huge hole you need to get something out of every possible possession.

The fake FG was better than actually trying a field goal from that distance in those conditions, but not as sensible as letting the best Hail Mary passer in the game have a shot at the end zone. Maybe they were concerned about Rodgers' lack of mobility. Still, that fake FG could have gone really bad if the pass is intercepted close to the line of scrimmage. Nice idea in the abstract, but not in that game situation.

 

[Jerellh528]

What was everyone's thought on the 61 yard FG attempt?

I think in that situation, I would have preferred to see an attempted hail mary.

I think we actually should’ve attempted the fg. It’s not uncommon for Crosby to hit 60 yarders pregame. Just make sure coverage was set up Incase of a return

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

I think we actually should’ve attempted the fg. It’s not uncommon for Crosby to hit 60 yarders pregame. Just make sure coverage was set up Incase of a return

Reminded me of MM asking Mason to kick a 57 yarder at Heinz Field last year, the longest kick ever made at Heinz field was and still is 53 yards.

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/...y-packers-tried-that-ugly-57-yard-field-goal/

 

[Jerellh528]

Reminded me of MM asking Mason to kick a 57 yarder at Heinz Field last year, the longest kick ever made at Heinz field was and still is 53 yards.

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/...y-packers-tried-that-ugly-57-yard-field-goal/

Yeah I think the clock was just about out for the half for the attempt in yesterday’s game though. But attempting that with mins on the clock woulda been stupid for sure.

 

[Sunshinepacker]

Dominant offensive line? LOL did you watch?
Great WRs? Well one of those great WRs was personally responsible for 3 turnovers because he couldn’t hang on to the ball at all. Toss in Kendrick’s crap and that’s 16 less opportunities for this offense. That’s significant

I think you completely missed the point. The Packers DON"T HAVE those things, hence the reason that MM is being shown up as the guy who rides Rodgers' coattails. When they did have those things, the offense was great.

 

[C-Lee]

Clock management was poor again. I understand MM has been burned in the past by trying to save clock time before the half only to see it blow up as points for the other team. But when you're in a huge hole you need to get something out of every possible possession.

The fake FG was better than actually trying a field goal from that distance in those conditions, but not as sensible as letting the best Hail Mary passer in the game have a shot at the end zone. Maybe they were concerned about Rodgers' lack of mobility. Still, that fake FG could have gone really bad if the pass is intercepted close to the line of scrimmage. Nice idea in the abstract, but not in that game situation.

I'm pretty sure it was a botched snap and not a planned fake FG. Crosby was apparently kicking boomers before the game, according to Spoff.

 

[Mondio]

I'm pretty sure it was a botched snap and not a planned fake FG. Crosby was apparently kicking boomers before the game, according to Spoff.

I thought botched snap too. The way Scott and mason were talking after he was basically telling him he did the right thing by picking it up

 

[Dantés]

Evidently, Perry was playing a lot of that game with a concussion. The play where he collided helmets with Morgan Moses knocked the latter out of the game and evident Perry suffered a concussion from it too. Hopefully that explains some of his invisible play. And hopefully he bounces back from it quickly.

 

[James from IL]

Evidently, Perry was playing a lot of that game with a concussion. The play where he collided helmets with Morgan Moses knocked the latter out of the game and evident Perry suffered a concussion from it too. Hopefully that explains some of his invisible play. And hopefully he bounces back from it quickly.

I do hope he bounces back and is ok, but the concussion is definitely not why he disappeared. He's basically been invisible since the beginning of the season. The dude got paid, and has yet to live up to it.

 

[OldSchool101]

One of my biggest Pet Peeves is poor clock management and the use of timeouts. With all the money spent by NFL teams, you would think they would hire one guy, who does nothing but sit in the press box, has a great knowledge of clock strategy and has the ability to get right into McCarthy's ear and say "timeout NOW!".

I'd like to be hired as that guy. I'd prefer salary over hourly tho