Muhammad Wilkerson????

[easyk83]

Drafting has been fine. It's the developing that is at issue. If Hyde and Hayward were still on the team we would have a good secondary with house, king and Rollins. With Pettine calling the shots, I think we will be better but we still need a good CB. I don' like wht FA has to offer for CBs.

If Wilkerson is back to his old form, that will go along way to helping the secondary. Less time they have to cover.

I just don't trust him for the long run. He may get reenergized playing for a winner, but that will fade after a season or two.

Rollins can't stay on the field, did you mean Randall?

 

[easyk83]

With MW it will come down to market interest, if the knock on him is that he stopped playing when he got paid and it drops his value enough he probably would be worth it. In this business it's all about getting value for your money and a guy like that playing in a play for pay deal and under an old coach of his for a winning team, i bet he turns it around in Green Bay.

A player like that creating the kind of pressure that he can create inside, I bet he produces 6-10 sacks and probably creates atleast several more for Clay and our other edge rushers.

 

[OldSchool101]

First, IMO were in a situation where it may take this year and 2019 to get all the pieces in place. For me it’s much about cost because that’s the realistic parameter each team has.

Dom Obviously was a huge part in getting Peppers to sign so there IS that one underlying aspect to having Pettine as our DC. (He has his own favorites etc..).
I’m an advocate of giving the new DC tools to be successful, especially out of the gate. I’m all ears as long as the cost is reasonable and we won’t leave any stones unturned as alternatives.
But I’m not spending what I don’t have in the checking account and I’m not taking out a loan against our future (I always try to put myself in the shoes of an owner because when it’s YOUR money on the line?? things suddenly look much different) Next year will present its own sets of needs so we need to be prudent in who we sign and practice due diligence in covering every likely scenario if a deal goes sour.

 

[PackerDNA]

MW scheduled to visit tomorrow, weather permitting.

 

[thequick12]

Yeah he'll be the first free agent signing of the gute era I'm thinking 5 million a year over 3 years

 

[thisisnate]

I don't know DT numbers, tbh, but I would think Mo would command a much, much higher figure than 5 mil a year.

 

[OldSchool101]

15M over 3 years would be reasonable. Lets make sure to tell him to set his clocks forward this weekend. We need to address that tardiness issue he seems to have

 

[thequick12]

Yeah that's probably low maybe more like 7 million per. I guess think about what peppers signed for. He was older but also a much better player but similarily coming off a down couple of years

 

[AmishMafia]

My gut (gute?) tells me Mo Wilkerson will be a Packer tomorrow or in the near future. We seem to excited to get him in here. Hope it's a sensible $.

 

[FaninColorado]

There are only a few high level free agents and most likely only one or two will actually hit the market. If Wilkerson is the version that was an all-pro, it would be stupid for us not to use the Pettine connection and bring him on board. He could truly go either way... bust or huge signing towards making our defense good. That is all the free agents though... if they were superstars with no issues, they wouldn't be available. Get Rodgers under new contract that helps out our cap, trade up one or two times in this draft so we can possibly lower the rookie cap scale, get Jordy, Cobb, and/or Matthews to restructure... This will allow us to possibly go after a TE and/or mid-level CB as well.

Getting Wilkerson would allow us to go after an edge, CB, and/or LB in the first couple rounds and go after DL depth later in the 5th or later. Would love to see defensive pick in the first with a TE and WR in the 2nd and 3rd round unless a defensive player falls into our lap and then go strong into the remaining defensive players and offensive line (G/C and OT).

 

[OldSchool101]

I agree with consolidating the 12 picks some, especially rounds 3-4 where you can still often get an impact player and it doesn’t cost an arm and a leg.
As an example would be our 5th/#150 and our 6thComp/#207 would get us into the back end of the 4th round/#130range. It’s actually pretty normal to see those kind of moves and especially for another team trying to pick up more selections if they don’t have many. This is just an example but we’ll probably be doing the math along the way if someone we value a lot slips a round etc..
That would give us three 4th Rounders and we’d still have two Comp picks in the 5th.

 

[bigbubbatd]

My gut (gute?) tells me Mo Wilkerson will be a Packer tomorrow or in the near future. We seem to excited to get him in here. Hope it's a sensible $.

I agree. I wouldn't be surprised to see the deal be shorter and incentive laden. I think he could be a really good bounce back player. Daniels, Wilkerson and Clark with Lowry rotating in would be very, very good.

The biggest issue I can see is cap space. They will need to restructure or cut some guys to sign Wilkerson and extend Rodgers and still be able to get a piece or two in free agency. I still think they need to add at least two of cb, guard, te, or olb in free agency.

 

[HardRightEdge]

No wonder TT laid awake at night...

Is that from first hand experience?

 

[HardRightEdge]

My gut (gute?) tells me Mo Wilkerson will be a Packer tomorrow or in the near future. We seem to excited to get him in here. Hope it's a sensible $.

Who ya gonna cut to pay for him? There are several options.

 

[HardRightEdge]

True. I was thinking more of going forward. Lowry is on the rise as a player and Wilkinson is on decline. Rather have a young player getting better than an older player going soft.

Lowry is a decent run down rotation guy. That's as far as he goes.

 

[jetfixer]

I’m surprised in the interest in him, seems like we have bigger needs than DL. I’m guessing that if we sign him, it will be a short term prove you still have it deal. I’d much rather go for a CB, or resign Burnett.
I think if we sign a vet DB, it’s much easier to draft a Vea, or the Bama DL and they can play day one. Derwin James can play day one, but not sure if Jackson, Hughes, or the kid from Colorado can.

 

[brandon2348]

I’m surprised in the interest in him, seems like we have bigger needs than DL. I’m guessing that if we sign him, it will be a short term prove you still have it deal. I’d much rather go for a CB, or resign Burnett.

We need him more then people know. He is a big guy that can rush the passer and he can play inside to outside similar to Michael Bennett. There is only a handful of guys in the league that can do what he can when he is playing or used correctly. Big guys that can rush the passer are rare.

 

[Born Sinner]

I’d like to apologize to OS and AM for being a bit of a *****. Not justifying it, but I was really happy to see the Packers finally making moves towards free agency, so that the negativity was a little irritating. We’re all looking for the best interest of our favorite team at the end of the day. Anyway, a 3 year/15-17 million deal is what I’d want them to aim for.

 

[thequick12]

Who ya gonna cut to pay for him? There are several options.

I bet the front office doesn't cut any of the big three to pay for Wilkerson. I see Jordy taking a pay cut, clay getting extended 2 or 3 years to lower his cap number significantly and Cobb playing out the last year of his deal unless he's willing to extend for like 6 mil a year. Even if Cobb stays at his current number the moves with nelson/cm3 should get gute an additional 20 mil in cap space to work with giving him over 26 million to work with. Wilkerson and Jimmy Graham could be signed and Rodgers extended while still leaving enough cap space to deal with in season injuries/additions. And the interest is because players of his caliber don't come available very often and especially not at a reasonable price which is likely in this scenario. I'd say 3 years 20 to 25 million incentive laden deal

 

[AmishMafia]

I’d like to apologize to OS and AM for being a bit of a *****. Not justifying it, but I was really happy to see the Packers finally making moves towards free agency, so that the negativity was a little irritating. We’re all looking for the best interest of our favorite team at the end of the day. Anyway, a 3 year/15-17 million deal is what I’d want them to aim for.

No worries.

I hope the deal we offer is low on early base and high on incentives. I'm thinking he will be looking for something over $7M/yr.

 

[Mondio]

No worries.

I hope the deal we offer is low on early base and high on incentives. I'm thinking he will be looking for something over $7M/yr.

I'm cool with the 5mill ballpark, though I'd like less with more incentives I realize my hoping and wishing has never worked out well for me in the end. at 7 mill per guaranteed, Pettine better be damn sure he can motivate this guy and get the production back.

 

[AmishMafia]

Who ya gonna cut to pay for him? There are several options.

Not sure anyone needs to be cut. Extending Rodgers should free up some space.

 

[HardRightEdge]

I bet the front office doesn't cut any of the big three to pay for Wilkerson.

I agree with that assessment. Gutekunst is kicking tires. His mentor was "active" in free agency in the "kicking tires" department. Thompson had Chris Canty in twice during free agent years. Steven Jackson twice also if memory serves. There isn't much cap space to work with here without cutting somebody.

 

[HardRightEdge]

Not sure anyone needs to be cut. Extending Rodgers should free up some space.

I highly doubt that. However, if Rodgers deal is imprudently backloaded to $40 mil cap in the last 3 years, would this be the best way to spend that grasshopper-over-ant savings?

Highly doubtful.

 

[Half Empty]

No worries.

I hope the deal we offer is low on early base and high on incentives. I'm thinking he will be looking for something over $7M/yr.

I'm not enough of an insider to know, so I'd appreciate someone pointing out what incentives can be included that are acceptable/useful to both sides. On the player's side, especially defensive, the scheme, surrounding players, the opposing team's approach, and your coaches could lower the incentive pay, regardless of your potential production. From the team's end, the player could concentrate on the incentive to the detriment of overall play (e.g., incentives for sacks/hurries might result in big holes for the run game). Looking either for some good theoretical incentives or, even better, any that have been in actual contracts (CaptWIMM? )