Is it time?

[tynimiller]

I don't understand why #3 is such a bad option, from the NYJ's perspective? They need a vet QB to shore-up the offense for a year or 2 until Zach Wilson gets his mechanics fixed and matures a lot. "Experts" are predicting Garoppolo will get $15-$20mil in free agency... which is FAR better than losing draft picks AND paying AR $58Mil, IMHO.

If JimmyG is given a starting job he is getting more than something starting with a 1 and I would fire his agent if it isn't above $25M

 

[Pkrjones]

If JimmyG is given a starting job he is getting more than something starting with a 1 and I would fire his agent if it isn't above $25M

Even at $25Mil less than 1/2 of AR and no draft picks involved. If I'm NYJ I'd go that route... but I'm a lowly peon toiling for coins.

 

[tynimiller]

Even at $25Mil less than 1/2 of AR and no draft picks involved. If I'm NYJ I'd go that route... but I'm a lowly peon toiling for coins.

He's 1/2 the passer Rodgers is however as well. There is merit to that direction but they want to win now and Rodgers of all the QBs on the landscape provides the best return with the least cost - Lamar would offer more but he is going to be more expensive in picks and due to Rodgers' built in option fiscally too.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

The Jets are in a unique situation with Zach Wilson. It sounds like they don't want to give up on him and trying to move up to get one of the top QB's in the draft, would not only be expensive, it would signal the end of Wilson.

Sounds somewhat familiar with the Packers situation. However, in the case of Love, its a matter of not wanting to give up on something that hasn't been given a fair chance yet.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

He's 1/2 the passer Rodgers is however as well. There is merit to that direction but they want to win now and Rodgers of all the QBs on the landscape provides the best return with the least cost - Lamar would offer more but he is going to be more expensive in picks and due to Rodgers' built in option fiscally too.

At least that is how it is "predicted to go". All they have to do is look at the Russell Wilson and Geno Smith scenario from last season and it might give them pause. Who would have expected Wilson to bomb in Denver and Geno Smith to flourish in Seattle?

 

[Mondio]

I didn't think Seattle to Denver was a good move at all. For all the grief Rodgers has gotten from Packer fans about playing "hero" ball That's all wilson does. Run around, busted play, throw it out there and get some big plays. Rely on defense and run game to keep games close so you only need a couple big plays a game and you win.

Rodgers knows how to play QB. he can't run as well, but if you can protect him, he will eat you up.

 

[Krabs]

It wasnt back to back losses in the championship game. We lost at home to Tampa Bay in the NFCCG, we lost at home to SF coming off a first round bye, SF lost to LA in the NFCCG that year. So - one home loss in the NFCCG, one home loss coming off a bye, and one - failed to make the playoffs - that’s our last 3 years - sorry - not impressive

Sorry, you are correct. However, that is just spoiled fans talking. There are franchises out there that haven't even sniffed a Super Bowl, let alone be a playoff team year in and year out. I stand by my comments that I enjoyed the last three seasons.

 

[Krabs]

I never said that the last 3 seasons sucked. What I did say was this:


Meaning that it has sucked, that the last 3 seasons have been.....IMO.....overshadowed by much of the Rodgers Drama.

Okay, so kinda sucked. I just don't pay attention to the drama. I stopped watching pregame and postgame a few years ago when the NFL got more political. I just watch the games. Sure, I keep up on offseason stuff because I want to know what the roster is going to look like. As far as the drama stuff the media hypes, hard pass.

 

[tynimiller]

I know folks like hearing direct thoughts from lips of players, Aaron Jones on GMFB

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Talks Rodgers to Jets, Jordan Love and such.

 

[Mondio]

Okay, so kinda sucked. I just don't pay attention to the drama. I stopped watching pregame and postgame a few years ago when the NFL got more political. I just watch the games. Sure, I keep up on offseason stuff because I want to know what the roster is going to look like. As far as the drama stuff the media hypes, hard pass.

same, I tuned out a lot going back around 2000, ESPN was out haven't watched since. Again about 7-8 years ago I sit and watch the game that's about it. And here. No pregame, no post. Sports radio is very limited and when they go off on their drama or takes to get people riled up it goes off.

Sports have become enjoyable again when I just focus on the sport.

 

[Krabs]

I know folks like hearing direct thoughts from lips of players, Aaron Jones on GMFB

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Talks Rodgers to Jets, Jordan Love and such.

You have been denied by the NFL!

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[Krabs]

same, I tuned out a lot going back around 2000, ESPN was out haven't watched since. Again about 7-8 years ago I sit and watch the game that's about it. And here. No pregame, no post. Sports radio is very limited and when they go off on their drama or takes to get people riled up it goes off.

Sports have become enjoyable again when I just focus on the sport.

I do listen to local sports talk. They seem to have their thumb on the pulse of the team much more than the national talking heads. I don't give them the time of day. If I want to watch highlights, I just go to youtube. There's not analysis. Just the game. I don't need someone breaking down the game for me like I'm a dummy, which is still debatable.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Okay, so kinda sucked. I just don't pay attention to the drama. I stopped watching pregame and postgame a few years ago when the NFL got more political. I just watch the games. Sure, I keep up on offseason stuff because I want to know what the roster is going to look like. As far as the drama stuff the media hypes, hard pass.

While I agree to some extent with this, my major beef or disappointment with Rodgers is mostly about 3 straight post seasons, of him keeping the Packers in the Dark (not just 4 days of it), as to what he is or wants to do, while still under contract. At least with Brett Favre, it was never a question of wanting to continue in Green Bay, it was just a question of if he was going to retire or not.

Had any other player on the team pulled this, they would have been cut or traded immediately. I understand Rodgers holds a lot of power, but that is the issue, he used it passed the point of where he should have and in a passive aggressive way. The Packers front office isn't a victim either, they allowed it, publicly embraced it and now they have themself an even bigger mess, that needs to be nipped in the butt now, before the worst thing that could happen....Rodgers wont approve of any trade and says he isn't retiring or he retires and unretires this summer.

I will repeat myself, I do not hate Aaron Rodgers. Love what he has done on the field over his Packer career, but just like the Game of Thrones emoticon pic I have on my profile, he has decided that he wants to be king, no matter what the cost to the organization.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

I know folks like hearing direct thoughts from lips of players, Aaron Jones on GMFB

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Talks Rodgers to Jets, Jordan Love and such.

I really don't doubt that most of the players are going to either feel and say or just say what AJ said about Aaron AND Jordan Love as well. However, they are not making the decisions that the Front Office and Matt are making.

I doubt we will ever hear (publicly) how Gute and Murphy feel about Rodgers, but just the fact that the situation is where it is at today, says something about they feel.

 

[OldSchool101]

Can i be Darrel?

As long as you don’t switch genders you can be whoever you wanna be!

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Mike Greenberg from "Mike and Mike in the Morning" is a big Jets fan and appeared on the Pat McAfee show today. Some good stuff and it confirmed my feelings that the Jets and their fans have been dreaming about Rodgers coming to the Jets, which might help quite a bit in what the final trade compensation comes in at. Greenberg said he would give up his pinkie toe for Rodgers to become a Jet. He also said he would do a 4 day darkness retreat to make it happen. Finally he said "I want Aaron Rodgers more than anything I have wanted in Sports in my entire life."

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[OldSchool101]

Even at $25Mil less than 1/2 of AR and no draft picks involved. If I'm NYJ I'd go that route... but I'm a lowly peon toiling for coins.

So I heard a really interesting take on that by a former FO guy for several teams (his name escapes me but he was on Rich Eisen recently. It made a lot of sense to me anyway.
From a coaching/GM perspective you normally get about 3 seasons to make a team turn around. A step back, improvement season and then a substantial improvement that 3rd year. Then owners (and fans) get impatient if that doesn’t happen? That’s where jobs (or even careers) will be on the line for these coaches and FO personnel. Overspending slightly on draft picks etc.. to make that “leap” buys a couple seasons. If they wait and try to save capital? It will be some other GM or Coach spending that capital, because they’ll be unemployed or demoted.

He didn’t get into specifics, but he said #13 overall and a couple other draft picks is a reasonable starting point. He did say that Jets GM will overspend before he underspends and misses out. They won’t let a 2nd or 3rd rounder get in the way as they are swinging for the fences so to speak.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

So I heard a really interesting take on that by a former FO guy for several teams (his name escapes me but he was on Rich Eisen recently. It made a lot of sense to me anyway.
From a coaching/GM perspective you normally get about 3 seasons to make a team turn around. A step back, improvement season and then a substantial improvement that 3rd year. Then owners (and fans) get impatient if that doesn’t happen? That’s where jobs (or even careers) will be on the line for these coaches and FO personnel. Overspending slightly on draft picks etc.. to make that “leap” buys a couple seasons. If they wait and try to save capital? It will be some other GM or Coach spending that capital.

He didn’t get into specifics, but he said #13 overall and a couple other draft picks is a reasonable starting point. He did say that Jets GM will overspend before he underspends and misses out. They won’t let a 2nd or 3rd rounder get in the way as they are swinging for the fences so to speak.

Mike Greenberg confirmed this take, today on the Pat M show.

Greenberg also reiterated what I have been saying. If Rodgers wants to stick it to the Packers, he can say that he doesn't approve of the trade and then just show up at the first day of the Packers practice.

 

[Pkrjones]

He's 1/2 the passer Rodgers is however as well.

Quick comparison of Garoppolo's & AR's career stats:
Completion %: JG-67.6%, AR-65.5%; Avg. yds/att: JG-8.3, AR-7.7; TD%: JG-5.0%, AR-6.2%; Int%: JG-2.2%, AR-1.4%; Rating: JG-99.6, AR-103.6.

Might be fun for announcers & fans to bag on Jimmy, but he stacks up pretty well to our 4X MVP FHOF'r. Once again, if I'm the NYJ's GM I'm signing Garoppolo for $15-$30Mil/yr and saving my draft picks vs. getting AR onto the team.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Quick comparison of Garoppolo's & AR's career stats:
Completion %: JG-67.6%, AR-65.5%; Avg. yds/att: JG-8.3, AR-7.7; TD%: JG-5.0%, AR-6.2%; Int%: JG-2.2%, AR-1.4%; Rating: JG-99.6, AR-103.6.

Might be fun for announcers & fans to bag on Jimmy, but he stacks up pretty well to our 4X MVP FHOF'r. Once again, if I'm the NYJ's GM I'm signing Garoppolo for $15-$30Mil/yr and saving my draft picks vs. getting AR onto the team.

Agree.....but lets keep this quiet until the Jets trade for Rodgers!

Jimmy G. is not quite an Aaron Rodgers, but I think he is a pretty under rated guy, comes a lot cheaper and he is only 31 years old.

 

[tynimiller]

Quick comparison of Garoppolo's & AR's career stats:
Completion %: JG-67.6%, AR-65.5%; Avg. yds/att: JG-8.3, AR-7.7; TD%: JG-5.0%, AR-6.2%; Int%: JG-2.2%, AR-1.4%; Rating: JG-99.6, AR-103.6.

Might be fun for announcers & fans to bag on Jimmy, but he stacks up pretty well to our 4X MVP FHOF'r. Once again, if I'm the NYJ's GM I'm signing Garoppolo for $15-$30Mil/yr and saving my draft picks vs. getting AR onto the team.

Look up production figures, deep ball accuracy, TDs per game, passing yards per game, average attempts per game....Jimmy G has never been asked to go win a game with his arm much at all in his career (one game against NO comes to mind).

 

[Krabs]

Finally he said "I want Aaron Rodgers more than anything I have wanted in Sports in my entire life."

And we have him. It amazes me how many Packer fans are ready to give up on him for unproven draft picks. Maybe in the long run it is the right move. Get as much for him as you can to turn the investment around. Rebuild faster, but how another franchise views him should tell us what we actually have.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

And we have him. It amazes me how many Packer fans are ready to give up on him for unproven draft picks. Maybe in the long run it is the right move. Get as much for him as you can to turn the investment around. Rebuild faster, but how another franchise views him should tell us what we actually have.

The Jets front office and their fans have not had to deal with Rodgers in the way that the Packers side of it has. Why did the Packers dump Brett Favre? Pretty much for some of the same reasons. Turned out ok for the Packers, despite not getting much in the trade. I think the organization and many fans feel that the relationship has become toxic and a parting of the ways, might be best for both sides. This isn't much different than a divorce. 2 people split because the relationship finally ran its course. Doesn't mean that either person wont be desperately wanted by someone else.

 

[tynimiller]

And we have him. It amazes me how many Packer fans are ready to give up on him for unproven draft picks. Maybe in the long run it is the right move. Get as much for him as you can to turn the investment around. Rebuild faster, but how another franchise views him should tell us what we actually have.

Um...with that logic a ****** is the most valuable player for a franchise to have. (alleged ******...)

 

[Krabs]

Um...with that logic a ****** is the most valuable player for a franchise to have. (alleged ******...)

I don't know what they blanks are.