Is it time?

[Pokerbrat2000]

I've heard the war of 1812 was his fault too...but has he taken responsibility?...nooo-oo--oooo... accountability damn it. Heads gotta roll.

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[tynimiller]

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No but it was once Canada bombed Taiwan

 

[longtimefan]

Funny. That scene looks like what I imagine is our group of forum members in real life.


I’ve got you pegged as the Office Manager, Michael and @captainWIMM as Dwight
I identify with Jim Halpert
I see @Pkrjones as playing Brian Baumgartner

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We’re individually dysfunctional, but put together as a group we are much different and surprisingly… it just works

Can i be Darrel?

 

[tynimiller]

Davante Adams is currently that kid everyone leaves behind on a field trip…lol

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Davante Adams is currently that kid everyone leaves behind on a field trip.

Home alone #17?

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[Deleted member 6794]

LoL you just cannot accept a statement as true lol Gute could absolutely play hardball - fact.

Doing so would be fiscally irresponsible - fact.

I don't see any reason to discuss a scenario while completely ignoring important factors of the situation.

The Rodgers threads will probably roar on, for just as long as the Favre and Capers threads did, but I for one am going to breath a big sigh of relief when this chapter of the Packers history is behind us.

That statement perfectly summarizes how spoiled a lot of Packers fans have been over the past three decades. It's mind-boggling that there are supporters who will be relieved once the team has moved on from a HOF quarterback. I have mentioned before that those guys might be in for a rude awakening as there's a decent chance it will be another 30 years before the Packers feature another QB playing at that level.

Assuming he’s going to the Jets, #13 is free and clear to start at the very least. Like someone earlier said and I’m too lazy to scroll up to see who, I’d like to see the Packers take on a decent chunk of his salary so we could maybe get a better return since this has dragged on as long as it has.

The Packers currently have $12.5 million of effective cap space. Trading Rodgers before June 1 will reduce that number by $8.7 million. I don't see any realistic scenario in which the team can afford to take on a decent portion of his option bonus for 2023 to make it work with their cap.

 

[Mondio]

I don't think a group going out to see Rodgers is as telling as if Rodgers was on a plane to NY, but I gotta believe this means he's likely not a Packer anymore. I mean it's not past the point of no return, but it clearly signals both QB and team realize it's best for the team and QB. Maybe it is just kicking some tires talk, but we'll see.


I think GB has told Rodgers if he can't make serious concessions on his contract they need to move on. I don't know how that would be done, but I don't think we're talking about a few hundred thousand dollars. I think Rodgers would like to continue to play. If he feels the Jets offer a good situation, he'll be a Jet, otherwise he'll be retired. Last week I would have figured Packer or retire.

While I think it's possible this team could contend for a super bowl with some hits in the draft and a FA playmaker and some luck, odds are stacked against it. Unless you felt really good Rodgers was at a high level and committed for 2 more years and you had serious plans to seriously upgrade some spots realistically, the best move is to move on and right the money for the future.

We have OL, WR, TE, Safety, DL another edge guy etc that this team basically needs if it isn't going to have a ton of luck.

 

[Krabs]

Had it not been for all the BS by Rodgers and the Packers as well, I would have loved to have seen him finish his career in GB. However, the last 3 years has been mostly about Rodgers and its acutally kind of sucked. So I am looking forward to moving on and getting back to things being about the Packers all the time. Maybe we miss 1-5 years of Rodgers playing QB, but we get something back for him and that will help to start life without Rodgers.

As far as ugly seasons, I think having to win 4 out of your last 5 games, just to finish @ 8-9 and not being in the playoffs is uglier than finishing 4-13 and being in the hunt for the #1 pick, but that is me.

I disagree that the last 3 seasons have sucked. Back to back championship games with the back to back MVP did not suck. Even last year they rallied with a chance to make the playoffs. I don't pay attention to the media's play on stories. I generally don't listen to the off the field stuff. Don't care who Rodgers is dating. Don't care about the weird darkness retreat. All I care is dude can throw a football. I've enjoyed the last three seasons and don't look forward to him leaving. It's darn hard to find and elite franchise QB.

 

[Mondio]

I disagree that the last 3 seasons have sucked. Back to back championship games with the back to back MVP did not suck. Even last year they rallied with a chance to make the playoffs. I don't pay attention to the media's play on stories. I generally don't listen to the off the field stuff. Don't care who Rodgers is dating. Don't care about the weird darkness retreat. All I care is dude can throw a football. I've enjoyed the last three seasons and don't look forward to him leaving. It's darn hard to find and elite franchise QB.

pretty much my thoughts.

it's funny, the guy that claims people who think wanting the team to rise up in front of adversity to play win when all seems lost like last year are weak minded. 8-9, a game short of the dance, while overcoming a lot when everyone is telling you it's over is somehow worse and wanting 4-13 is for winners.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

I disagree that the last 3 seasons have sucked.

I never said that the last 3 seasons sucked. What I did say was this:

I would have loved to have seen him finish his career in GB. However, the last 3 years has been mostly about Rodgers and its acutally kind of sucked.

Meaning that it has sucked, that the last 3 seasons have been.....IMO.....overshadowed by much of the Rodgers Drama.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Woody, Douglas, Saleh, Hackett and a few others, leaving after visiting with Rodgers. Looks almost presidential with the security and black vehicles.

Guessing a few here thought the meeting was just unsubstantiated rumors, since Aaron didn't announce it.

The second part of the video almost looks like they met in A-Rods bunker.

Woody Johnson has one thing to say after Jets’ summit with Aaron Rodgers

When exiting a Southern California eatery, Johnson was asked if Rodgers is going to the Jets, to which the team owner said, “We’ll find out.”

nypost.com

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

It is interesting to compare and contrast what Packer fans and Jets Fans/media predict will be the assets traded for Rodgers. I think if the trade happens, it will be somewhere in between what the 2 fan/media bases are predicting.

Here are 3 scenarios from "The Jet Press". I do agree with the article though, that the Market for Rodgers is quite small, if not just the Jets. That alone gives the Packers very little bargaining power.

3 more trade packages the NY Jets can offer for Aaron Rodgers

The NY Jets could be on the verge of trading for Aaron Rodgers. Here are three trade packages they can offer the Green Bay Packers in an Aaron Rodgers trade.

thejetpress.com

 

[PackerDNA]

Anybody else get the feeling that while we've been speculating on all of this it is already pretty much been decided a while ago, and we're just waiting for the final details to be worked out?

 

[Magooch]

It is interesting to compare and contrast what Packer fans and Jets Fans/media predict will be the assets traded for Rodgers. I think if the trade happens, it will be somewhere in between what the 2 fan/media bases are predicting.

Here are 3 scenarios from "The Jet Press". I do agree with the article though, that the Market for Rodgers is quite small, if not just the Jets. That alone gives the Packers very little bargaining power.

3 more trade packages the NY Jets can offer for Aaron Rodgers

The NY Jets could be on the verge of trading for Aaron Rodgers. Here are three trade packages they can offer the Green Bay Packers in an Aaron Rodgers trade.

thejetpress.com

In some sense it feels like both sides don't have a lot of leverage honestly.

If everyone knows you're a seller...you lose leverage. But if everyone knows you're a buyer...you lose leverage, too. And right now it seems like the situation is that everyone knows Green Bay is a seller but also everyone knows New York are buyers.

So on one hand it seems pretty clear that we are looking to move Rodgers. And there aren't a ton of suitors at the moment, it would seem. That doesn't help us.

But on the other hand...everyone and their mom knows the Jets want to bring in a quality established QB. They have straight-up said as much. Carr is off the table, Brady is retired (and seems to be staying that way this time), they're not going to overpay for Jimmy G...so it would seem like they're either down to Lamar or Rodgers. Lamar is younger of course, but he'd cost two firsts and is demanding a contract that'd make Rodgers' look like a bargain. Rodgers is older and still not cheap, but he'll come with less long-term guaranteed money and won't cost as much to acquire. So in the same way...while we don't have a ton of suitors for Rodgers...the Jets don't have a ton of options to bring in at QB, either.

Ultimately then Green Bay's options are of course 1.) Rodgers returns; 2.) Rodgers retires; or 3.) Rodgers is traded. And I think we would prefer #3 (for the right price) at this point, but also would be okay with (and prepared for) #2.

With the Jets it's 1.) Trade for Rodgers; 2.) Make a bigger trade for Lamar and pay him more money; 3.) Overpay someone like Jimmy G; or 4.) Try to roll the dice with Zach Wilson again.

And so in that sense I guess my feeling is that Green Bay is probably more comfortable with #1 (Rodgers returning to GB for another season) than the Jets would be comfortable with overpaying for someone like Jimmy G or trying again with Wilson. In other words - even though our options are fairly limited I feel like we still are probably more comfortable with the options available to us than they are right now.

 

[tynimiller]

It is interesting to compare and contrast what Packer fans and Jets Fans/media predict will be the assets traded for Rodgers. I think if the trade happens, it will be somewhere in between what the 2 fan/media bases are predicting.

Here are 3 scenarios from "The Jet Press". I do agree with the article though, that the Market for Rodgers is quite small, if not just the Jets. That alone gives the Packers very little bargaining power.

3 more trade packages the NY Jets can offer for Aaron Rodgers

The NY Jets could be on the verge of trading for Aaron Rodgers. Here are three trade packages they can offer the Green Bay Packers in an Aaron Rodgers trade.

thejetpress.com

To be fair I think some of the Packers fanbase are lunatics with what they think Rodgers will get us in return....I hope though that they are correct LOL

 

[Magooch]

I feel like this article gave a decent outline of how a trade might shake out.

Apparently they asked a "top NFL executive" what he thinks GB would ask for and what NYJ would ask for.

The short of it is that this unnamed exec thought Gute would ask for a 1st and a 4th or "a player on a rookie deal who's good" while the Jets would ask for "a first with some kind of kickback, or ask Gute to pay down the contract to get a 1"

Probably expect something slightly in the middle then.

 

[AKCheese]

I disagree that the last 3 seasons have sucked. Back to back championship games with the back to back MVP did not suck. Even last year they rallied with a chance to make the playoffs. I don't pay attention to the media's play on stories. I generally don't listen to the off the field stuff. Don't care who Rodgers is dating. Don't care about the weird darkness retreat. All I care is dude can throw a football. I've enjoyed the last three seasons and don't look forward to him leaving. It's darn hard to find and elite franchise QB.

It wasnt back to back losses in the championship game. We lost at home to Tampa Bay in the NFCCG, we lost at home to SF coming off a first round bye, SF lost to LA in the NFCCG that year. So - one home loss in the NFCCG, one home loss coming off a bye, and one - failed to make the playoffs - that’s our last 3 years - sorry - not impressive

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

The Jets have most, if not all of the negotiating power here, unless another team is interested in Rodgers. Thus, the reason why this should have happened last year or weeks ago. If there isn't that second team involved, the Packers will have 4 choices:

1. Accept the deal
2. Reject it and keep Aaron for 2023
3. Reject and tell Aaron they prefer he retires
4. Reject and wait around for another trade partner

Choices 2-4 come with lots of obstacles for the Packers.

- Cap
- What to do with Love
- What to do with Rodgers

I think that no matter what happens, Gute has put himself firmly in the hotseat. He really should have cleaned this situation up 3 years ago, but instead, it seems like only Band-Aids were used. Now all of the Band-aids have fallen off, the wounds are both old scars and fresh blood and the only real way to fix it, is get as much in a trade and hope Love is the man!

 

[Mondio]

Last year would have made a difference. I don't think a trade now or agree to terms in Feb would have made any difference.

 

[Magooch]

The Jets have most, if not all of the negotiating power here, unless another team is interested in Rodgers. Thus, the reason why this should have happened last year or weeks ago. If there isn't that second team involved, the Packers will have a 4 choices:

1. Accept the deal
2. Reject it and keep Aaron for 2023
3. Reject and tell Aaron they prefer he retires
4. Reject and wait around for another trade partner

Choices 2-4 come with lots of obstacles for the Packers.

- Cap
- What to do with Love
- What to do with Rodgers

I think that no matter what happens, Gute has put himself firmly in the hotseat. He really should have cleaned this situation up 3 years ago, but instead, it seems like only Band-Aids were used. Now all of the Band-aids have falled off and the only real way to fix it, is get as much in a trade and hope Love is the man!

Yeah, that's all true, but what I'm saying is it kind of works on both ways..
Consider it from the Jets' angle. Green Bay has the most attractive QB on the market right now and presumably the Jets' #1 option at the moment.

So the Jets can:
1. Accept the deal GB is offering
2. Reject it and commit more draft capital and more money to Lamar Jackson
3. Reject it and overpay for Jimmy G or another mid-level QB
4. Reject it and try again with Zach Wilson or Mike White or whoever

And IMO 2-4 all also come with some significant issues for the Jets, too.

But I do agree with the ultimate sentiment: this should have been worked out years ago, one way or another.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Yeah, that's all true, but what I'm saying is it kind of works on both ways..
Consider it from the Jets' angle. Green Bay has the most attractive QB on the market right now and presumably the Jets' #1 option at the moment.

All true, but if the Jets pull out of a trade, they have all kinds of options available to them, that could be more favorable then throwing too many assets into 1 guy. The Packers on the other hand, have a guy that supposedly they want to unload and a huge cap hit, if they don't. The good news for the Packers, it would appear that Jets fans and the Jets media are fully bought in and excited to have Rodgers. If the Jets end up putting too much stock into Rodgers and it doesn't work out, that excitement will quickly turn into fans wanting heads to roll.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Anybody else get the feeling that while we've been speculating on all of this it is already pretty much been decided a while ago, and we're just waiting for the final details to be worked out?

I could be wrong, but I don't think it can become "official" until March 15th, when the new league year starts. So until then, the 2 teams can have a handshake deal and make it official on the 15th.

 

[tynimiller]

I could be wrong, but I don't think it can become "official" until March 15th, when the new league year starts.

I believe this is correct, trades can be discussed but can not be executed officially till league year starts.

 

[Pkrjones]

So the Jets can:

3. Reject it and overpay for Jimmy G or another mid-level QB

I don't understand why #3 is such a bad option, from the NYJ's perspective? They need a vet QB to shore-up the offense for a year or 2 until Zach Wilson gets his mechanics fixed and matures a lot. "Experts" are predicting Garoppolo will get $15-$20mil in free agency... which is FAR better than losing draft picks AND paying AR $58Mil, IMHO.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

I don't understand why #3 is such a bad option, from the NYJ's perspective? They need a vet QB to shore-up the offense for a year or 2 until Zach Wilson gets his mechanics fixed and matures a lot. "Experts" are predicting Garoppolo will get $15-$20mil in free agency... which is FAR better than losing draft picks AND paying AR $58Mil, IMHO.

Agreed and the point is, the Jets still have a lot of options, if they decide against the trade. Whereas, the Packers, if there are no other suitors, are kind of FUBAR'ed.