Is it time?

[Magooch]

I'm not sure I understand you correctly but do you suggest the Packers should have traded Rodgers years ago?

Not specifically, but maybe. What I mean is that...my gripe all along has more or less been that since drafting Love the team has pretty much refused to commit entirely to one option. Trading Rodgers a couple years ago wouldn't have been my first choice but at the same time if the team was convinced in Love and wanted to sell Rodgers when his value was at its peak and start building that new era then I couldn't complain too much. Instead we've spent the last few years trying to halfway build around Rodgers in the present and halfway build around Love in the future.

 

[tynimiller]

I disagree in nothing to garner from their personal lives and thoughts - Rodgers discussions with Pat and Aubrey have for sure provided some context and measurable insight on this whole thing IMO.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

I disagree in nothing to garner from their personal lives and thoughts - Rodgers discussions with Pat and Aubrey have for sure provided some context and measurable insight on this whole thing IMO.

I agree, but a Rodgers apologist is going to cherry pick that and say, well it came from Rodgers himself, about his Packer career, so it can be viewed as important. I understand Krabs and others are only interested in the on the field stuff, but if that is truly their MO, why jump into discussions that don't pertain to the "on the field stuff"? If someone tells me that is how they roll (only on field interest), then I assume they really don't know what's going on off the field, but the bits and pieces they happen to hear/read.

 

[longtimefan]

Not specifically, but maybe. What I mean is that...my gripe all along has more or less been that since drafting Love the team has pretty much refused to commit entirely to one option. Trading Rodgers a couple years ago wouldn't have been my first choice but at the same time if the team was convinced in Love and wanted to sell Rodgers when his value was at its peak and start building that new era then I couldn't complain too much. Instead we've spent the last few years trying to halfway build around Rodgers in the present and halfway build around Love in the future.

Nailed it

 

[Mondio]

I agree, but a Rodgers apologist is going to cherry pick that and say, well it came from Rodgers himself, about his Packer career, so it can be viewed as important. I understand Krabs and others are only interested in the on the field stuff, but if that is truly their MO, why jump into discussions that don't pertain to the "on the field stuff"? If someone tells me that is how they roll (only on field interest), then I assume they really don't know what's going on off the field, but the bits and pieces they happen to hear/read.

99% of the "Rodgers apologists" have been responding to pretty questionable reporting and giving reasons why they don't really believe it. Not apologizing for Rodgers. NOt saying we only trust what Rodgers says. Pretty much not any of the takes you repeat over and over and over and over...

 

[DarkHelmet]

I would definitely prefer the first option.



I'm not sure I understand you correctly but do you suggest the Packers should have traded Rodgers years ago?



I highly doubt Zach Wilson will ever develop into a decent NFL quarterback.



It seems that Aaron Jones, despite the entire organization being disgusted by Rodgers, desperately wants him to return to the team



Gutekunst would be a complete moron and not capable of being the general manager of an NFL franchise if he signed Rodgers to that extension despite not being happy about it.

Agreed. I prefer that Rodgers stays another year. I think he can play better than he did last season, and doubt that Love's ceiling is any higher than mediocre starter/decent backup. If Rodgers wants to play another year in GB, I'd say let him. You're paying him anyway. If he wants to retire, fine. Trading him does not appeal to me because of the cap hit and the relatively low return the Packers are likely to get in exchange.

But it certainly looks like Rodgers is on his way out.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

Yes I would have traded him after the Tampa Bay fiasco and the BS he pulled post game/off season. Said so at the time.

Oh yeah, the Tampa fiasco in which Rodgers threw for 346 yards and three touchdowns and had a passer rating of 101.6 vs. an elite defense

I agree, but a Rodgers apologist is going to cherry pick that and say, well it came from Rodgers himself, about his Packer career, so it can be viewed as important. I understand Krabs and others are only interested in the on the field stuff, but if that is truly their MO, why jump into discussions that don't pertain to the "on the field stuff"? If someone tells me that is how they roll (only on field interest), then I assume they really don't know what's going on off the field, but the bits and pieces they happen to hear/read.

The problem is that you truly believe you know what is going on off the field based on reading reports by questionable sources when in reality, like Rodgers said, you don't know ****.

If Rodgers wants to play another year in GB, I'd say let him. You're paying him anyway.

You need to be aware that the Packers would have to pay Rodgers an additional $60 million if he returns for another season though.

 

[Mondio]

You need to be aware that the Packers would have to pay Rodgers an additional $60 million if he returns for another season though.

That's the kicker for me. another 60M next year is tough to take for another chance this year. I mean there are worse things that can happen other than having to play a QB of his caliber for a season, but that is a tough pill to swallow if he does. I'm almost assured they have to do something with that if he does come back. Though that is looking a lot less likely these days.

 

[AKCheese]

Oh yeah, the Tampa fiasco in which Rodgers threw for 346 yards and three touchdowns and had a passer rating of 101.6 vs. an elite defense

Disappeared when the game was on the line - or did you forget we lost the game, at home, despite picking Brady off (checks notes ) three times. I believe we whiffed TWICE on first and goal - nice paper stats tho. If it was Fantasy he’d have had a great game!!

Three season ending 4th quarters, TB, SF, (checks notes again), Detroit - A-rod is a combined 10/23 for 83 one interception ZERO touchdowns QBR 54

 

[Sunshinepacker]

Disappeared when the game was on the line - or did you forget we lost the game, at home, despite picking Brady off (checks notes ) three times. I believe we whiffed TWICE on first and goal - nice paper stats tho. If it was Fantasy he’d have had a great game!!

Three season ending 4th quarters, TB, SF, (checks notes again), Detroit - A-rod is a combined 10/23 for 83 one interception ZERO touchdowns QBR 54

I just....when i see things like this i begin to understand why professional athletes don't respect many fans' opinions.

 

[Magooch]

"Stats don't matter, it's not fantasy football"

"Look at these bad stats, they tell the whole story"

 

[AKCheese]

"Stats don't matter, it's not fantasy football"

"Look at these bad stats, they tell the whole story"

No what tells the story is stepping up in the 4th quarter and getting the W.

In 3 consecutive season ending losses in the 4th quarter - Rodgers disappeared

W’s count - in big games at home as the favorite - that didnt happen

You know what would sound stupid? Pointing out AR’s putrid 4th quarter performances IF HE WON THE GAME…. You know what else sounds stupid? Trying to defend AR’s dismal 4th quarter performance in games he LOSES

3 close home games - 3 losses - a combined 4th quarter QBR of 54

Trying to put lipstick on that pig sounds STUPID

@Yeah but his game stats were GREAT - but he sucked in the 4th quarter because the Bucs D was elite”…. Wait… how did he manage to pile up great stats if their D was so invincible

Did the Bucs D only become elite in the 4th quarter??

especially on 1st and goal, 2nd and goal, 3rd and goal apparently - the D that Mr MVP torched all game (according to some) suddenly found themselves (missing 2 starting DBs at this point BTW)

Look at that series, especially on 3rd down when Rodgers basically QUITS on the play…. Then gets indignant and pouts after the game that the coach didnt give him a 4th strike

I’m travelling the southwest wearing my Packer gear and have had conversations with DOZENS of Packer fans, (including 2 today) I have yet to find a single solitary one who says “man I hope he comes back!”

 

[AKCheese]

I just....when i see things like this i begin to understand why professional athletes don't respect many fans' opinions.

Obviously you care about what opinion professional athletes have about you - news flash - they dont even HAVE one.

 

[longtimefan]

No what tells the story is stepping up in the 4th quarter and getting the W.

In 3 consecutive season ending losses in the 4th quarter - Rodgers disappeared

W’s count - in big games at home as the favorite - that didnt happen

You know what would sound stupid? Pointing out AR’s putrid 4th quarter performances IF HE WON THE GAME…. You know what else sounds stupid? Trying to defend AR’s dismal 4th quarter performance in games he LOSES

3 close home games - 3 losses - a combined 4th quarter QBR of 54

Trying to put lipstick on that pig sounds STUPID

@Yeah but his game stats were GREAT - but he sucked in the 4th quarter because the Bucs D was elite”…. Wait… how did he manage to pile up great stats if their D was so invincible

Did the Bucs D only become elite in the 4th quarter??

especially on 1st and goal, 2nd and goal, 3rd and goal apparently - the D that Mr MVP torched all game (according to some) suddenly found themselves (missing 2 starting DBs at this point BTW)

Look at that series, especially on 3rd down when Rodgers basically QUITS on the play…. Then gets indignant and pouts after the game that the coach didnt give him a 4th strike

I’m travelling the southwest wearing my Packer gear and have had conversations with DOZENS of Packer fans, (including 2 today) I have yet to find a single solitary one who says “man I hope he comes back!”

I will say this.
When the Def gives up a bad td that's all fans care about

Yet when they have 3 ints they don't care.

Its identical to rodgers having 3 good q but a bad 4th.

But some fans wont see it that way

 

[Schultz]

I am pretty sure every playoff team except one finishes their season with a loss.

 

[Jayzee1981]

Bak’s contract was restructured. Saved 9 1/2 mil

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Bak’s contract was restructured. Saved 9 1/2 mil

Did it "save" $9 1/2 M or did it just push it out into the future?

 

[GreenNGold_81]

Twitter is saying the deal is in place, Rodgers to the Jets or he retires. I can't see him being done so I assume he gets traded soon.

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[Pugger]

Mike Greenberg from "Mike and Mike in the Morning" is a big Jets fan and appeared on the Pat McAfee show today. Some good stuff and it confirmed my feelings that the Jets and their fans have been dreaming about Rodgers coming to the Jets, which might help quite a bit in what the final trade compensation comes in at. Greenberg said he would give up his pinkie toe for Rodgers to become a Jet. He also said he would do a 4 day darkness retreat to make it happen. Finally he said "I want Aaron Rodgers more than anything I have wanted in Sports in my entire life."

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NY might want Rodgers but does AR want NY?

 

[Pugger]

The Jets front office and their fans have not had to deal with Rodgers in the way that the Packers side of it has. Why did the Packers dump Brett Favre? Pretty much for some of the same reasons. Turned out ok for the Packers, despite not getting much in the trade. I think the organization and many fans feel that the relationship has become toxic and a parting of the ways, might be best for both sides. This isn't much different than a divorce. 2 people split because the relationship finally ran its course. Doesn't mean that either person wont be desperately wanted by someone else.

Favre retired. I believe had he not he would have been our starter in 2008. But once he did that Packers' management publicly committed to AR. It only got ugly when Brett tried to force his way back in.

I don't believe the relationship between AR and management is as toxic as some suggest. If Rodgers wants to keep playing but isn't wild about going to NY what would Murphy and company do then? I suspect management would then try to find other suitors.

 

[Pugger]

Or they badly overrated their roster and coaching staff. Or they incorrectly thought that Adams would stay if AR signed. IMO both. It is quite possible IMO the change of heart had nothing or very little to do with Rodgers and was the result of them waking up and realizing even with him they are a mediocre team.

Did Adams still leave after Rodgers signed that extension? I can't recall...

 

[GreenNGold_81]

Favre retired. I believe had he not he would have been our starter in 2008. But once he did that Packers' management publicly committed to AR. It only got ugly when Brett tried to force his way back in.

I don't believe the relationship between AR and management is as toxic as some suggest. If Rodgers wants to keep playing but isn't wild about going to NY what would Murphy and company do then? I suspect management would then try to find other suitors.

I agree, you can't de-commit to a HOF QB and then come crawling back. Rodgers is gone IMO. If not the Jets or retirement, then to the next suitor. This is the team sending Rodgers to a good spot that lets him contend for a title in a familiar system and the Jets likely are committing to be the highest bidder for his services. Win-win for both teams.

 

[Jayzee1981]

Twitter is saying the deal is in place, Rodgers to the Jets or he retires. I can't see him being done so I assume he gets traded soon.

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Was just reported that is false. Nothing is in place.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Can we just all agree, that at this same time next year, Aaron Rodgers will be busy frustrating people and making them wait?

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Favre retired. I believe had he not he would have been our starter in 2008. But once he did that Packers' management publicly committed to AR. It only got ugly when Brett tried to force his way back in.

I don't believe the relationship between AR and management is as toxic as some suggest. If Rodgers wants to keep playing but isn't wild about going to NY what would Murphy and company do then? I suspect management would then try to find other suitors.

From what I remember, Favre announced his retirement, because the organization wanted an answer on what his plans were and he really didn't know what they were. Favre never waivered on playing for the Packers, it was just a question of getting out of the game or playing another year. Rodgers on the other hand, has waffled for 3 straight off seasons. Not knowing if he will retire, sit out, play for the Packers or demand a trade, casting shade on the coaches and organization along the way. I think people had mixed feelings about Favre's wildness on the field and that helped distance them from him quicker. Rodgers, kind of the opposite, we all love what he does on the field, it is his off the field stuff that many question.

Favre wanting to come back and play was awkward yes, but toxic? I don't think so. On the other hand, when you have the highest paid player in the NFL threating to not honor his contract, throwing shade on his employer and keeping the organization in the dark, I would call that toxic.