I heard Vince Lombardi once said that a kid from California named Aaron Rodgers would be the Packers QB someday and that once that happens Green Bay should hand him a lifetime contract and if they ever get rid of him he’d disown the team from beyond the grave.
Burden of proof for what? Or else what? I have zero more burden of proof that he did say it than somebody who maintains for a fact that he never said it. Vince Lombardi said all sorts of things that people saw and heard which cannot be PROVEN. Regardless, It’s an aside comment to the central point of Mr. MVP going 10 of 23 for 83 yards, zero touchdowns one interception 53 QBR in 3 combined 4th quarter home “playoff” losses. You and others don’t like the irrefutable veracity of these statistics so you want to quible about asides. Enjoy!!
Hey @AKCheese. I really don’t have an axe to grind either way because I agree with you on the general point that Rodgers could’ve played better recently to finish out. Using a singular Quarter is too small a sample size. It’s like using 1 or 2 drives which is not a good experiment to depict the flow of a game, regardless of a good or bad result. I’d never break it down less than halves to make it a good experiment with 3+ drives minimum, just my scientific brain talking to me here. Teams score with like :40 sec in the 3rd, then might not see the ball until 7 minutes left in the 4th etc.
I missed where that post initiated.If you don’t understand how burden of proof works it’s okay to just say so. No need to keep doubling down.
Well, sure. But don’t get mad that people are going to challenge “Lombardi said this because I said he said it”
Where did you discern what I do or don’t like on the matter? Feel free to quote me - unlike Lombardi’s there’s plenty of documentation that you should be able to glean from and point out where I said anything about your stats one way or the other. I’ll wait!
Except I don’t pay attention to anything YOU say as YOU saying it- I don’t keep track … and given this latest nonsensical post I’m not missing anything. But please elucidate me as to how the burden of proof works on internet forums LOL. And explain how that pertains to the central point (Rodgers performance in the final quarter of 3 consecutive home “playoff” losses - except you won’t because in the actual issue at hand the facts are 100 % against you. So - you want to argue internet burden of proof on ancillary statements (which you nor anyone else can either prove or disprove). Lombardi may or may not have ever said that. What’s 1000% certain is nobody can prove that he never said it (which was my point long ago). The other thing thats irrefutable is 10 of 23 for 83 one pick ZERO TDs in the 4th quarter of 3 consecutive home “playoff” losses. I have to admit when I first heard that I thought that had to be wrong - it’s just that bad. But nope… that’s Arron Rodgers in the clutch on the big stage. I think saying he choked is not a stretch in any unbiased analysis.
Of course I am. Did you miss that game? Did you miss the 4th quarter? Let me summarize - 4 of 15 for 54 yards including 3 consecutive whiffs in the red zone on GB’s last posession. He also took 2 or 3 idiotic sacks. 3 posessions - 3 points. You’re impressed with that performance? Games on the line, he completes 25% of his passes and puts up 3 points on three drives. Wow (and that’s arguably his best 4th quarter of the three season ending home loss performances).
Hey @AKCheese. I really don’t have an axe to grind either way because I agree with you on the general point that Rodgers could’ve played better recently to finish out. Using a singular Quarter is too small a sample size. It’s like using 1 or 2 drives which is not a good experiment to depict the flow of a game, regardless of a good or bad result. I’d never break it down less than halves to make it a good experiment with 3+ drives minimum, just my scientific brain talking to me here. Teams score with like :40 sec in the 3rd, then might not see the ball until 7 minutes left in the 4th etc.
That said, mainly because I’m bored. And I was going to debate that. Then I realized I don’t even know Which 3 games are you referring to as “crunch time”
Are you 2023 Detroit?
2022 49ers?
2021 Tampa?
I would agree using a single quarter in ONE game is an unfair sample size but disappearing three years in a row in crunch time? The other SF game we were blown out. Atlanta game blowout. Seattle debacle Rodgers 4th quarter 4 of 9 for 43 yards. His QBR for that game was 54. Plenty of blame to go around there for sure but Rodgers certainly has a share. Stop me when we get to his clutch performance.Hey @AKCheese. I really don’t have an axe to grind either way because I agree with you on the general point that Rodgers could’ve played better recently to finish out. Using a singular Quarter is too small a sample size. It’s like using 1 or 2 drives which is not a good experiment to depict the flow of a game, regardless of a good or bad result. I’d never break it down less than halves to make it a good experiment with 3+ drives minimum, just my scientific brain talking to me here. Teams score with like :40 sec in the 3rd, then might not see the ball until 7 minutes left in the 4th etc.
That said, mainly because I’m bored. And I was going to debate that. Then I realized I don’t even know Which 3 games are you referring to as “crunch time”
Are you 2023 Detroit?
2022 49ers?
2021 Tampa?
Yup you can definitely find some things Lombardi said memorialized on the internet. 99%+ of what he said you cannot. You CAN find Aaron Rodgers stats in the fourth quarters of 3 consecutive home “playoff” losses. 10 of 23, 83 yards, one interception, ZERO touchdowns 53 QBR.It seems it's actually pretty easy to find quotes that Lombardi really said on the web after all
If you quote someone, or even paraphrase someone, it should be accurate. If someone asks where you got that quote from one should be able to provide it. It's that simple.
You understand that by just tossing quotes out there and just saying you can't prove someone didn't say it makes the whole argument suspect right? We could make up a whole bunch of stuff and then just say, "prove me wrong". That just seems silly. That's why citing sources exists. No one can prove Lombardi said he wished he had traded Bart Starr either.
Rodgers is clearly one of the best to ever play. I think everyone on here wishes the Packers had won more Super Bowls. The fact of the matter is they don't just hand out the Lombardi trophy to great QB's otherwise Marino would have one. The other team wants it just as bad. The Packers have had some tough breaks where the ball just didn't bounce there way and Rodgers did play a part in the losses. It sure doesn't mean he was bad overall. He has entertained me for the last 18 years and I thank him for that. I'd gladfully take him back for another season. He's our best shot at winning. I would say that this is not a championship roster, so I wouldn't lose sleep on him being traded. I'd prefer it because I think it would be the best for the Packers future. If Rodgers wants to come back, I'm all open arms.
Heard him say it on the Vince Lombardi show back in the 60s. As a young football player myself it always stuck with me, even though he said it in an off handed manner. It was another way of presenting his more famous quote (and I paraphrase here), in the pursuit of perfection we can capture excellence. Now - lets talk about 10 of 23 for 83, one interception ZERO touchdowns in 3 fourth quarters. That’s neither perfection nor excellence. It’s three fourth quarter turds in the playoff punch bowl
If you’re going to put those stats all on him you’re more delusional than I thought. You should get those stats tattooed on your forehead. Might help you understand there’s more variables behind them than his performance. You have an obsessive negative opinion on the guy. We get it.
Nope. First i've heard of this. Thanks for posting it.
why picking just those 3 playoff games though only? They aren’t even consecutive seasons. That’s 2014,2016,2017 where’s 2015?
Wait, when did this happen?
10 of 23 for 83 one interception zero TDs 53 QBR are his combined stats for the fourth quarters of the season ending home losses to Tampa Bay, SF and (checks notes… does a double take) Detroit (hence the “” around “playoff” while the Detroit loss was not a true playoff game, it was in essence a playoff game and losing it ended our season, a win and we would have moved on. But feel free to try to put a positive spin on 10/23/83 1 int 0 TD 53 QBR - I hope a trade partner somewhere shares your view
