Is it time?

[tynimiller]

Yep, you are correct. The savings would only be $17 million this next year and cutting him would still get us under the cap.

Incorrect, you're simply misreading lines.

The cap hit for David in 2023 is $28,789,035. The total Dead cap is $23,131,034 - so an outright cut now would only save us about $5.5M.

Now could they do a post June cut sure, but I don't see them ever doing that to Bakh personally.

 

[Krabs]

Incorrect, you're simply misreading lines.

The cap hit for David in 2023 is $28,789,035. The total Dead cap is $23,131,034 - so an outright cut now would only save us about $5.5M.

Now could they do a post June cut sure, but I don't see them ever doing that to Bakh personally.

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I'm looking at a post June 1st cut.

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You're reading a pre June cut. So, I'm not misreading anything. I'm just looking at what would save them the most money for the upcoming year. You're correct though that a pre June cut is more likely as it allows money to be moved into two seasons.

If you read the original post, my point was that there are certainly ways to keep Rodgers for the upcoming season. This can be done by cutting players and renegotiating contracts. That QB's contracts are necessary in a sense that you must pay franchise QB's or your team is going to stink. It's not about that I'm right and you're wrong. There's just ways to move money around and all is not lost if Rodgers in fact wants to come back and play another year in Green Bay.

 

[AKCheese]

Three consecutive 4th quarters, three consecutive years, 10 of 23 83 yards one interception - zero touchdowns. Pull up his Pop Warner stats to make his averages look good if it makes you feel better. Three years, 3 fourth quarters - 10 of 23 / 83 yards / one interception - (checks notes) ZERO touchdowns - yup - that’s Mr Clutch alright

 

[pacmaniac]

First of all, every quarterback in the entire league misses some open receivers from time to time or has some bad throws during a game. While Rodgers didn't play a perfect game vs. the Bucs he had a pretty good game in the 2020 NFCCG but other factors hugely contributed to that loss. Therefore I completely disagree his supporting cast got it done in that game.

You can't talk about Mahomes having a better supporting cast for the reason that his receivers were able to get wide open, and then when I pointed out that the Packers had receivers get wide open too and Rodgers missed them, you make excuses for Rodgers.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

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I'm looking at a post June 1st cut.

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You're reading a pre June cut. So, I'm not misreading anything. I'm just looking at what would save them the most money for the upcoming year. You're correct though that a pre June cut is more likely as it allows money to be moved into two seasons.

Here are the two possible scenarios if the Packers decide to release Bakhtiari this offseason. Just to clarify, I don't think it would be a smart move anyway.

Pre-6/1 release: The move would result in $23,131,034 of dead money counting against the cap in 2023, saving $5,658,001 for next season immediately at the time of the release.
Post-6/1 release: The move would result in $11,565,517 of dead money counting against the cap in 2023 as well as the same amount once again in '24. The team would save $17,223,518 towards the cap in 2023, but the savings wouldn't be accounted for until June 2. Therefore that move won't help them to get under the cap by the start of the new league year in mid-March.

You can't talk about Mahomes having a better supporting cast for the reason that his receivers were able to get wide open, and then when I pointed out that the Packers had receivers get wide open too and Rodgers missed them, you make excuses for Rodgers.

Once again, you're using two cherry picked plays to evaluate Rodgers performance while completely ignoring the rest of his play. In addition I highly doubt he missed any receivers as wide open as Toney and Moore were on those touchdowns in the Super Bowl.

 

[pacmaniac]

Once again, you're using two cherry picked plays to evaluate Rodgers performance while completely ignoring the rest of his play.

For the rest of Rodgers' play to be good, his supporting cast had to have gotten the job done.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

For the rest of Rodgers' play to be good, his supporting cast had to have gotten the job done.

True, Rodgers needs the offensive line to block for him and receivers to catch the ball to have success. What's your point??? They haven't done a good enough job of it lately though.

 

[pacmaniac]

True, Rodgers needs the offensive line to block for him and receivers to catch the ball to have success. What's your point??? They haven't done a good enough job of it lately though.

You did say that you didn't think the Packers supporting cast got the job done against the Bucs.

 

[Sunshinepacker]

You did say that you didn't think the Packers supporting cast got the job done against the Bucs.

The oline was injured, his starting RB missed the second half, and the "good" receivers consisted of Adams aaaannnndddd...uhm, nope, that's it. His supporting cast, what there was of it, did their jobs I guess but I wouldn't say he had a very good supporting cast that game.

 

[AKCheese]

The oline was injured, his starting RB missed the second half, and the "good" receivers consisted of Adams aaaannnndddd...uhm, nope, that's it. His supporting cast, what there was of it, did their jobs I guess but I wouldn't say he had a very good supporting cast that game.

Maximum effective range of an excuse - ZERO meters. Every team has injuries. He had the same wide receivers he had all season enroute to 13-3. Suddenly in the 4th quarter of a big game - he can’t find them. The Tampa Bay defensive backfield was missing starters going in and lost more during the game. All they did was shut down Mr. MVP come crunch time. Or maybe he shut himself down since we saw the same thing the following years against SF and Detroit
Three fourth quarters:
10/23 for 83 one pick ZERO TDs

 

[Sunshinepacker]

Maximum effective range of an excuse - ZERO meters. Every team has injuries. He had the same wide receivers he had all season enroute to 13-3. Suddenly in the 4th quarter of a big game - he can’t find them. The Tampa Bay defensive backfield was missing starters going in and lost more during the game. All they did was shut down Mr. MVP come crunch time. Or maybe he shut himself down since we saw the same thing the following years against SF and Detroit
Three fourth quarters:
10/23 for 83 one pick ZERO TDs

I feel like you think focusing on only 25% of the game is some massive insight and that ignoring injuries is some kind of winners' mentality. Anyone looking at that game, and what the Bucs defense did to other, VERY good QBs, and claiming that Rodgers was bad? That person was never going to be happy with Rodgers no matter what.

 

[Cornelius Weems]

I feel like you think focusing on only 25% of the game is some massive insight and that ignoring injuries is some kind of winners' mentality. Anyone looking at that game, and what the Bucs defense did to other, VERY good QBs, and claiming that Rodgers was bad? That person was never going to be happy with Rodgers no matter what.

In the same respect, only acknowledging only 75% and thinking that final 25% is not the most important part of the game is ridiculous. I don't think AR is bad (in fact he's 1st ballot unanimous in my book), but this is becoming a trend. If someone is claiming AR is bad, then their WRONG, but counting on him to push you past in playoffs/must win games towards the end, IDK about that. The Jags finished their first round game, Brock Purdy (a third sting, "mister irrelevant" rookie) finished his game. You can talk about how everyone else didn't do enough, but I didn't see him do enough when the game was on the line for multiple years. This is about AR not providing enough when it was on him to produce a win. He could do it in the previous games (this season) with more or less the same teammates.

 

[Sunshinepacker]

In the same respect, only acknowledging only 75% and thinking that final 25% is not the most important part of the game is ridiculous. I don't think AR is bad (in fact he's 1st ballot unanimous in my book), but this is becoming a trend. If someone is claiming AR is bad, then their WRONG, but counting on him to push you past in playoffs/must win games towards the end, IDK about that. The Jags finished their first round game, Brock Purdy (a third sting, "mister irrelevant" rookie) finished his game. You can talk about how everyone else didn't do enough, but I didn't see him do enough when the game was on the line for multiple years. This is about AR not providing enough when it was on him to produce a win. He could do it in the previous games (this season) with more or less the same teammates.

I think fans treat QBs as if they're all that matters on a team. Sure, Rodgers should play defense, play special teams, AND coach the team also. If you're looking at Rodgers' performance against the Bucs and saying, "if he was any good he would have done more" then I don't know what to say. That person is someone who thinks wins are a QB stat.

 

[Cornelius Weems]

I think fans treat QBs as if they're all that matters on a team. Sure, Rodgers should play defense, play special teams, AND coach the team also. If you're looking at Rodgers' performance against the Bucs and saying, "if he was any good he would have done more" then I don't know what to say. That person is someone who thinks wins are a QB stat.

I guess this isn't clear, but this thread IS NOT ABOUT ANY OTHER POSITION. Great players can overcome other discrepancies. By this logic, he only needs good enough for only the first 3 quarters, while others want a complete game. QB come from behind victories are tracked, most would say that overcoming discrepancies and delivering wins in the end is the key stat. This thread says "is it time?", at 39, and based on his inability to overcome for the past 3 years, I think it's time. Again, I already posted about the inability of other parts of the team in other threads. Again, I think he's a all-time great, but he has also proven that he can't push the GBP to a SB win anymore, it's been since 2010 for us. Oh, and wins by every QB  are tracked.

 

[AKCheese]

I feel like you think focusing on only 25% of the game is some massive insight and that ignoring injuries is some kind of winners' mentality. Anyone looking at that game, and what the Bucs defense did to other, VERY good QBs, and claiming that Rodgers was bad? That person was never going to be happy with Rodgers no matter what.

3 critical HOME games over a three year stretch. 3 fourth quarters. 10 of 23 for 83 one interception zero TDs

 

[Deleted member 6794]

You did say that you didn't think the Packers supporting cast got the job done against the Bucs.

They didn't, the Packers lost the game.

The Tampa Bay defensive backfield was missing starters going in and lost more during the game.

Winfield was the only starter in the Bucs secondary who didn't play in the NFCCG. Stop making things up.

I guess this isn't clear, but this thread IS NOT ABOUT ANY OTHER POSITION. Great players can overcome other discrepancies. By this logic, he only needs good enough for only the first 3 quarters, while others want a complete game. QB come from behind victories are tracked, most would say that overcoming discrepancies and delivering wins in the end is the key stat.

How did Mahomes do against that Bucs defense? It seems he wasn't able to overcome discrepancies against them either. Actually he fared far worse for the entire game.

 

[Jayzee1981]

Rex Ryan Emerging As Denver’s Top DC Candidate

<p>Denver Broncos head coach Sean Payton might turn to a big, albeit surprising, name to fill the team’s defensive coordinator position.</p> <p>Rex Ryan, who interviewed for the DC

www.prosportsdaily.com

I would lose my **** if the Packers brass had the balls to do this but they don’t.

 

[Cornelius Weems]

How did Mahomes do against that Bucs defense? It seems he wasn't able to overcome discrepancies against them either. Actually he fared far worse for the entire game.

I'm sorry, is this about Mahomes 3 years ago or is it about AR? He was only able to follow that up with a 2nd SB win and second SB MVP. This is a AR thread also. Also, why are you only posting part of what I say? Are you only arguing with some of what I say, or only part of what I said? You've been doing this with almost everything I've posted in this thread. I hate to try and isolate you, this is just confusing as you're only posting part of what I say.

 

[Mondio]

The connection isn't that difficult to make. People want to say Rodgers hasn't been able to get it done, as if anybody does it alone, but whatever. and they want to point to a game he lost 3 years ago against a team that was pretty good. A comparable was another QB everything thinks is great, and he also didn't do so well against them despite having the better team around him too.

So if the topic is Aaron Rodgers today, why use something from 3 years ago to prove your point if other aren't afforded the same ability to use that reasoning?

I think Mahomes is great, I don't think Mahomes wins a 2nd superbowl with a Packers Roster. But that's me. and that doesn't take away how great I think he is.

 

[Krabs]

Rex Ryan Emerging As Denver’s Top DC Candidate

<p>Denver Broncos head coach Sean Payton might turn to a big, albeit surprising, name to fill the team’s defensive coordinator position.</p> <p>Rex Ryan, who interviewed for the DC

www.prosportsdaily.com

I would lose my **** if the Packers brass had the balls to do this but they don’t.

I'm a hard pass on Rex Ryan.

As for going back to "is it time", I do think it is trending that Rodgers will not be a Packer and will play for another team next season. I think he feels like he has something left in the tank and we all know it is hard for guys to give the game up.

Previously, I stated that I didn't think that teams would be interested in trading a lot for Rodgers at 39 years old. This has yet to play out and we will be talking about this for what I would guess to be months. Teams cannot trade until March 15th, so at least another month this topic will be discussed day in and day out. We know for sure that the Jets already reached out to the Packers for Rodgers. The rest all seems speculation at this point. From the Raiders, to the Bucs, to the Commanders, Dolphins, Titans... you name it. What I feel like is that Rodgers will be traded and the Love era will begin. I feel like it is just what teams are willing to give up.

 

[Jayzee1981]

Well

I'm a hard pass on Rex Ryan.

As for going back to "is it time", I do think it is trending that Rodgers will not be a Packer and will play for another team next season. I think he feels like he has something left in the tank and we all know it is hard for guys to give the game up.

Previously, I stated that I didn't think that teams would be interested in trading a lot for Rodgers at 39 years old. This has yet to play out and we will be talking about this for what I would guess to be months. Teams cannot trade until March 15th, so at least another month this topic will be discussed day in and day out. We know for sure that the Jets already reached out to the Packers for Rodgers. The rest all seems speculation at this point. From the Raiders, to the Bucs, to the Commanders, Dolphins, Titans... you name it. What I feel like is that Rodgers will be traded and the Love era will begin. I feel like it is just what teams are willing to give up.

Well can you elaborate as to why just for conversation sake? Lol!

 

[Mondio]

I think Rex likes to talk too much, but I also think he knows defense, no matter how long ago he was in the game. I think he still has enough knowledge and connections to do some damage in this league. and if it's him or barry, i'd take Rex

 

[Krabs]

Well

Well can you elaborate as to why just for conversation sake? Lol!

His daddy got him a job with him in Arizona and then rode the coattails of a ridiculously talented defense in Baltimore. All he had to do was get out of the way and let the defense do it's thing. It was more of a timing thing than him being a good coach. Since Baltimore in 2000 he has virtually done nothing in terms of being a winning coach. Overall, Rex Ryan has a 48% win ratio as a coach. He is 61 and 66 as a head coach. His first two seasons as the Jets coach he had his only winning seasons. That was in 2009 and 2010. He only could manage .500 after that. I'd argue he stepped into a team already built in the Jets and drove it into the ground. Now add to the fact that he hasn't coached in 7 years, I'm a hard pass. I agree that I don't like Barry, but Ryan is a losing coach. It would not be an upgrade.

 

[AKCheese]

They didn't, the Packers lost the game.



Winfield was the only starter in the Bucs secondary who didn't play in the NFCCG. Stop making things up.



How did Mahomes do against that Bucs defense? It seems he wasn't able to overcome discrepancies against them either. Actually he fared far worse for the entire game.

Jordan Whitehead (the other starting Safety) left the game in the third quarter. Rodgers faced 2 backup safties most of the second half.

 

[OldSchool101]

This is all very good info, thank you


I’m getting bored and I’m just wondering how much longer Rodgers will keep us in the dark?

Also. Do they serve coffee in these places? I’m more concerned that they might mistake me for wanting mine black.