Fire MM!

[Ceodore]

If MM was fired, I for sure wouldn't be heartbroken. But I'd be nervous about the replacement. There are a lot of dopes out there, and for how bad MM has been I think we could also do a lot worse. That being said, I do think he holds the team back.

 

[Dantés]

If MM was fired, I for sure wouldn't be heartbroken. But I'd be nervous about the replacement. There are a lot of dopes out there, and for how bad MM has been I think we could also do a lot worse. That being said, I do think he holds the team back.

Yep, you could definitely do much worse. Which is why I applaud the organization for being patient over the years and prizing continuity. But I think it's time.

John Defilippo is a popular name and would be my first choice.

 

[PackAttack12]

I am not advocating for a mid-season firing, but yesterday confirmed to me what I've been thinking for a while-- Mike McCarthy and his offense have run their courses in Green Bay. This team is healthy, they have great personnel on offense, and they have the best of the best at the most important position, and scoring points often feels like pulling teeth. Mike Pettine's defense forced a top two NFL offense to punt five straight times to open that game and the offense came up with 10 points. That is totally unacceptable. It's pretty easy to look around the league and find offenses that are doing more than the Packers with less talent.

And this is not to say that our offensive struggles are 100% on McCarthy. Execution has also been a major issue at times this season. But the entire approach/system also isn't nearly as effective as it once was. The league has caught up to what MM/AR have been doing for years. That doesn't make McCarthy a bad coach-- that eventually happens to almost everyone. But he's run his course and I'm totally ready for them to move on.

I've been a McCarthy supporter in the past. Not necessarily because he is some brilliant coach, but because of the continuity and such with Rodgers. I figured Pettine would correct the defensive issues, and McCarthy/Rodgers would continue to strive offensively. And I still think that the offense will eventually get things figured out.

But overall as a football team, we've been very underwhelming. And McCarthy has to be held accountable for that.

I don't think the Packers will miss the playoffs. But if they do...he's as good as gone.

I'm closer to your stance on McCarthy now than I've ever been. It's continuing to move in that direction. What happened yesterday with Montgomery blew my mind. Tony Brown getting the late hit penalty against the 49ers blew my mind. At what point do we say enough is enough? At what point should we be honest and admit that there's a problem with discipline?

 

[HardRightEdge]

Why fire McCarthy? Reports are saying Hugh Jackson has been fired in Cleveland. Trade McCarthy for a 1st. round pick.

 

[Ogsponge]

1st three drives, 145 yards, 10 points, a good mixture of running with mostly Jones averaging 5 yards a carry and a quick precision passing game.

Next 4 drives, 28 yards, Jones barely on the field, 5 step drops, looking to hit deep crossing routes and such.

Why in the name of all that is holy do the Packers refuse to go with what works. The Rams did not change their defense on those 4 drives, the Packers changed their entire offense of those drives.

McCarthy gave more drives and opportunities to inept players and plays that didn’t work than he did to the players and plays getting the job done.

That alone is reason why MM should be gone. I firmly believe this team with the talent they have, should be an offensive juggernaut but for some reason MM (and quite frankly Rodgers) refuse to stick with what works

 

[Sunshinepacker]

Yep, you could definitely do much worse. Which is why I applaud the organization for being patient over the years and prizing continuity. But I think it's time.

John Defilippo is a popular name and would be my first choice.

I don't think a team can manage scared; if your coach isn't good enough, move one. Being scared of hiring the wrong guy isn't going to do the team any favors (plus, the main problem for coaches is getting a QB and the Packers have no issue with that).

You want a good name that's both popular and makes sense? Lincoln Riley. Give him a good DC to focus on the defense and let that guy do what McVay, Peyton, and Reid have done; innovate and steal concepts from college. I'm all for hiring a good, young coach from the NFL but the way NFL offenses work today is so similar to what colleges can do that I think it would be silly to ignore phenomenal college coaches.

 

[Mondio]

1st three drives, 145 yards, 10 points, a good mixture of running with mostly Jones averaging 5 yards a carry and a quick precision passing game.

Next 4 drives, 28 yards, Jones barely on the field, 5 step drops, looking to hit deep crossing routes and such.

Why in the name of all that is holy do the Packers refuse to go with what works. The Rams did not change their defense on those 4 drives, the Packers changed their entire offense of those drives.

McCarthy gave more drives and opportunities to inept players and plays that didn’t work than he did to the players and plays getting the job done.

That alone is reason why MM should be gone. I firmly believe this team with the talent they have, should be an offensive juggernaut but for some reason MM (and quite frankly Rodgers) refuse to stick with what works

And in that initial burst, the 2 biggest plays were long pass plays with Williams providing time with his blitz pickups.

 

[Ogsponge]

And in that initial burst, the 2 biggest plays were long pass plays with Williams providing time with his blitz pickups.

And I am not advocating Jones being an every down back, but leaving him off the field for long stretches of time is insane, especially to give Ty reps. Also it is not just about Jones, it is about completely changing the offensive style that is working.

Remember the Bears 2nd half? Quick strike precision passing game, which open up longer passes down the field on double moves. When the Packers have used that offense a few times this year, is when the offense has been the most potent.

However the team rarely sticks with it and the offense devolves into deep drops looking for the deep play which is entirely predicated on Rodgers staying mobile and out of trouble.

 

[GleefulGary]

And I am not advocating Jones being an every down back, but leaving him off the field for long stretches of time is insane, especially to give Ty reps. Also it is not just about Jones, it is about completely changing the offensive style that is working.

Remember the Bears 2nd half? Quick strike precision passing game, which open up longer passes down the field on double moves. When the Packers have used that offense a few times this year, is when the offense has been the most potent.

However the team rarely sticks with it and the offense devolves into deep drops looking for the deep play which is entirely predicated on Rodgers staying mobile and out of trouble.

I believe Jones was at a 2:1 ratio when it comes to the snaps that Williams and Monty had combined.

I don’t think his snap count was the issue, but they need to give him the ball more. Now how much of that is Rodgers switching plays at the line? That, we do not know.

 

[Ogsponge]

I believe Jones was at a 2:1 ratio when it comes to the snaps that Williams and Monty had combined.

I don’t think his snap count was the issue, but they need to give him the ball more. Now how much of that is Rodgers switching plays at the line? That, we do not know.

That is why I included Rodgers in my first post as I believe he has a hand in some of these issues.

 

[Dantés]

I don't think a team can manage scared; if your coach isn't good enough, move one. Being scared of hiring the wrong guy isn't going to do the team any favors (plus, the main problem for coaches is getting a QB and the Packers have no issue with that).

You want a good name that's both popular and makes sense? Lincoln Riley. Give him a good DC to focus on the defense and let that guy do what McVay, Peyton, and Reid have done; innovate and steal concepts from college. I'm all for hiring a good, young coach from the NFL but the way NFL offenses work today is so similar to what colleges can do that I think it would be silly to ignore phenomenal college coaches.

Riley is another good option, though teams tend to favor some level of NFL experience. Flip brings that experience coupled with offensive creativity and acumen. But two good ideas, to be sure. Those are actually the only candidates I can think of that get me excited.

 

[Ceodore]

1st three drives, 145 yards, 10 points, a good mixture of running with mostly Jones averaging 5 yards a carry and a quick precision passing game.

Next 4 drives, 28 yards, Jones barely on the field, 5 step drops, looking to hit deep crossing routes and such.

No evidence to back this up other than my eyes and feeling but I honestly think this is Rodgers more than MM. I just get the sense that if they have a run that doesnt work well AR just decides to bail on the idea and wants to do it himself. I also think if the RBs have too much success, he feels like he needs to get in on that action. He's really felt like a little bit of a diva to me this year.

 

[FaninColorado]

Trade MM to the Browns for a 1st rounder.... Do it today!!!!

 

[PackerfaninCarolina]

No evidence to back this up other than my eyes and feeling but I honestly think this is Rodgers more than MM. I just get the sense that if they have a run that doesnt work well AR just decides to bail on the idea and wants to do it himself. I also think if the RBs have too much success, he feels like he needs to get in on that action. He's really felt like a little bit of a diva to me this year.

My whole problem with some of the criticisms of MM's offense are that they seem to think our WRs are the only ones that get covered during a game, and seem to be quiet when the Rams' receivers aren't open. I mean, you look at where Jaire was sticking Cooks like glue on one series, should McVay get called out for not scheming him away from our corner?

Or even better, what about when McVay has the ball in our redzone at 3rd and 15, goes conservative on a run play and settles for a FG leaving Rodgers time to go down the field only needing a fg to win? Now of course dumpster Monty made sure that didn't happen, but even Goff said he thought for sure Rodgers was going to pull that off.

I just know if MM had done that, the chat room mob would be ranting and raving about that all day today.

 

[melvin dangerr]

Packers really do need a rebooot at HC it’s painful watching one of the greatest QB’s every in disputed coaching decisions, and stubbornness on MMs part,should Ha eat least 3 or 4 SB’s under AR time to move on from MM era......

 

[Southside]

He's gone after this season. I thought that was obvious. It was not not a done deal at the start of the season, but it probably is now. Unless they win out or something goofy like that.

 

[longtimefan]

Serious question.


A lot of times, part of a reason you hear is, coach lost the locker room..

To me, that means players don't want to play for him..

VS the Rams no one can say this tea wasn't ready to play.

Agree or disagree that they weren't ready to play?

 

[Deleted member 6794]

Mike Pettine's defense forced a top two NFL offense to punt five straight times to open that game and the offense came up with 10 points. That is totally unacceptable.

You ignore the fact that the average starting position on those drives was the Packers own 16-yard line. It's tough to score on a regular basis when the offense has to march 84 yards for a touchdown.

You want a good name that's both popular and makes sense? Lincoln Riley. Give him a good DC to focus on the defense and let that guy do what McVay, Peyton, and Reid have done; innovate and steal concepts from college.

Riley made it clear yesterday that he doesn't have any plans to leave Oklahoma in the bear future.

 

[Mondio]

Serious question.


A lot of times, part of a reason you hear is, coach lost the locker room..

To me, that means players don't want to play for him..

VS the Rams no one can say this tea wasn't ready to play.

Agree or disagree that they weren't ready to play?

They absolutely were. I have a friend who brings this up often. But teams don't come out against the Rams like that when the locker room has been lost. They don't rattle off 6 straight to make the playoffs when the season looks lost when they're revolting against a coach. They don't absorb a really bad turn of events where a punt results in a safety and then 6 more off a fluke play on the sideline and turn away the tying attempt when they don't believe in their team and coaches. Over the years, this team has shown it believes in themselves and the coaches time and time again IMO. I have no idea why people keep coming up with this stuff.

 

[Dantés]

You ignore the fact that the average starting position on those drives was the Packers own 16-yard line. It's tough to score on a regular basis when the offense has to march 84 yards for a touchdown.

I'm not ignoring it; I just don't think it absolves MM's offense. It's not like they were moving the ball and just having to punt near midfield. Their three failed drives in the first half resulted in a total of 23 yards. They couldn't even take back some of the field position. They ran 20 fewer plays than the Rams despite forcing 7 punts.

 

[HardRightEdge]

I believe Jones was at a 2:1 ratio when it comes to the snaps that Williams and Monty had combined.

Snap counts:

Jones 62%
Williams 25%
Montogomery 12%

 

[Dantés]

Snap counts:

Jones 62%
Williams 25%
Montogomery 12%

I was glad to see MM finally give Jones the snaps he deserves. It was bizarre to me though that they didn't use Williams on the one. If there's ever a time to use Williams, it would seem to be there-- the guy's best attribute is that he gets YAC through contact. He stood a better chance of avoiding the safety. I don't get why you give him a pitch play, but use Jones when you need 3 yards and some breathing room. That's backwards.

 

[HardRightEdge]

1st three drives, 145 yards, 10 points, a good mixture of running with mostly Jones averaging 5 yards a carry and a quick precision passing game.

Next 4 drives, 28 yards, Jones barely on the field, 5 step drops, looking to hit deep crossing routes and such.

Why in the name of all that is holy do the Packers refuse to go with what works. The Rams did not change their defense on those 4 drives, the Packers changed their entire offense of those drives.

McCarthy gave more drives and opportunities to inept players and plays that didn’t work than he did to the players and plays getting the job done.

That alone is reason why MM should be gone. I firmly believe this team with the talent they have, should be an offensive juggernaut but for some reason MM (and quite frankly Rodgers) refuse to stick with what works

Lets be clear on the facts:

1st. drive: 8 plays, 24 yards, punt

Jones had runs of 13, 7 and 8 yards. The drive was killed on 3rd. and 2 with a sack.

2nd. drive: 8 plays, 75 yards, TD

Jones did not touch the ball. Williams had a 5 yard run then the 1 yard TD. On the 48 yarder to Adams, the Rams rushed 5 with Williams standing up the the blitzer at the line, clean pocket. On the almost TD to Graham, the Rams rushed four with Williams in to block if needed, which he wasn't, then released.

3rd. drive: 7 plays, 45 yards, FG

Jones had 4 consecutive runs of 10, 4, 1, and 2 yards to end the drive after moving the ball 28 yards on a pass and a scrable. The 4/2/1 was from a first down and ended up 3 yards short. Running on 3rd. and 5 was highly atypical. It was 4 wide against 6 in the box. Jones ran through a gaping hole untouched but the ILB read it all the way and made a great play.

I don't think your conclusion that Jones was the critical factor in moving the ball and scoring holds up. What happened next is a good defense making adjustments while the Packers worked from bad field position.

 

[Sunshinepacker]

Riley made it clear yesterday that he doesn't have any plans to leave Oklahoma in the bear future.

Yeah, and we all know that coaches always tell the truth...what else was he going to say in the middle of the football season?!

 

[Dantés]

Yeah, and we all know that coaches always tell the truth...what else was he going to say in the middle of the football season?!

His own comments aside, it would be weird to be if he left a premier college program after only two seasons. I could see him jumping to the NFL eventually, but the timing doesn't seem right for him.