Fire MM!

[PackinMSP]

No evidence to back this up other than my eyes and feeling but I honestly think this is Rodgers more than MM. I just get the sense that if they have a run that doesnt work well AR just decides to bail on the idea and wants to do it himself. I also think if the RBs have too much success, he feels like he needs to get in on that action. He's really felt like a little bit of a diva to me this year.

I can see your reasoning here but I disagree.

This Packers Offense has largely been "most effective" doing a more of a "hurry up" and spread passing attack type.

I don't believe trying to get that going is a bad idea on AR.

We don't exactly have "burners" at WR here so the hurry up O works

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

I was glad to see MM finally give Jones the snaps he deserves. It was bizarre to me though that they didn't use Williams on the one. If there's ever a time to use Williams, it would seem to be there-- the guy's best attribute is that he gets YAC through contact. He stood a better chance of avoiding the safety. I don't get why you give him a pitch play, but use Jones when you need 3 yards and some breathing room. That's backwards.

I was thinking the same thing throughout the game, having to check our RB's number to see who it was running the ball. I would hope that after Sunday, MM gets more creative with his play calls and not try to run Jones up the middle on a goal line situation, no matter what side of the goal line the Packers find themselves on.

Where is Joe Philbin? All I hear about is MM and play calling. Is Philbin calling plays or is he just a nameplate to try and take some heat off MM? I guess I shouldn't be surprised, appears to be the same role as Edgar Bennett had.

 

[Dantés]

I was thinking the same thing throughout the game, having to check our RB's number to see who it was running the ball. I would hope that after Sunday, MM gets more creative with his play calls and not try to run Jones up the middle on a goal line situation, no matter what side of the goal line the Packers find themselves on.

Where is Joe Philbin? All I hear about is MM and play calling. Is Philbin calling plays or is he just a nameplate to try and take some heat off MM? I guess I shouldn't be surprised, appears to be the same role as Edgar Bennett had.

Overall, MM at least gets credit for primarily using Jones... finally. But that also raises a criticism-- what took him so long? They should have been using Jones like that as soon as he became available.

 

[PackinMSP]

Can Brett Favre come coach the Packers???

Please?? lol

Or maybe even myself.

I guarantee you I won't call a Halfback Dive from the 1/2 line of my OWN ENDZONE with ZERO lead blockers in a single back formation.

Also, where are all the PA rollouts??? It seems like we just don't do that anymore? This is besides the AR injury earlier this year.

Why do we not do ROLLOUTS with AR who is lethal throwing from outside the pocket

Also why not more 'hurry up/no huddle" offense???

 

[Dantés]

Can Brett Favre come coach the Packers???

Please?? lol

Or maybe even myself.

I guarantee you I won't call a Halfback Dive from the 1/2 line of my OWN ENDZONE with ZERO lead blockers in a single back formation.

Also, where are all the PA rollouts??? It seems like we just don't do that anymore? This is besides the AR injury earlier this year.

Why do we not do ROLLOUTS with AR who is lethal throwing from outside the pocket

Also why not more 'hurry up/no huddle" offense???

Did you miss the SF game?

 

[pacmaniac]

Another reason to fire MM. The players don't even know what their role on the team is. A quote from Ty:

"However, I got a little frustrated. I wanted to make a play. I wasn't playing very much and I wasn't able to make a play and I was frustrated about that. I don't fully understand what my role is right now, what I'm supposed to be doing, how I'm supposed to help this team. And it's frustrating when I want to help the team and I get limited opportunities and it didn't happen on that play. So I came off frustrated about it."

 

[PackinMSP]

Did you miss the SF game?

I was referring mostly to the game against the Rams

 

[Dantés]

I was referring mostly to the game against the Rams

They ran a ton of roll outs against San Fran. They worked well early, but resulted in a lot of negative plays late.

 

[PackinMSP]

They ran a ton of roll outs against San Fran. They worked well early, but resulted in a lot of negative plays late.

So.... why not do that more against the Rams with Aaron Jones running well and the Rams having a below average secondary????

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Also why not more 'hurry up/no huddle" offense???

I've been asking that question for weeks. Maybe MM forgot about it, but the Rams and Goff using it to make our defense look confused and unset at times, will remind him just how lethal AR can be using it.

My only plausible explanation is that with AR's knee, MM didn't want him running high tempo. Which is kind of silly, because even when they don't huddle, AR typically runs the play clock down to 0.

 

[PackinMSP]

I've been asking that question for weeks. Maybe MM forgot about it, but the Rams and Goff using it to make our defense look confused and unset at times, will remind him just how lethal AR can be using it.

My only plausible explanation is that with AR's knee, MM didn't want him running high tempo. Which is kind of silly, because even when they don't huddle, AR typically runs the play clock down to 0.

It's not just that.

Our WRs aren't really "burners" so running the hurry up helps in that sense. We have a bunch of BIG, possesion type guys...

Adams
Allison
Graham
MVS
ESB

A hurry up essentially gives them an extra first step by tiring out the defense and catching them off guard. Since they're bigger targets it'll be a pain for most secondaries having to run around always trying to tackle them.

I'm beginning to think that MM is just not a very smart man to be honest with you all lol.

 

[I asked LT to delete my acct]

Can Brett Favre come coach the Packers???

Please?? lol

Or maybe even myself.

I guarantee you I won't call a Halfback Dive from the 1/2 line of my OWN ENDZONE with ZERO lead blockers in a single back formation.

Also, where are all the PA rollouts??? It seems like we just don't do that anymore? This is besides the AR injury earlier this year.

Why do we not do ROLLOUTS with AR who is lethal throwing from outside the pocket

Also why not more 'hurry up/no huddle" offense???

please, no Brett Favre crap. Welcome to the forum by the way.

 

[Mondio]

It's not just that.

Our WRs aren't really "burners" so running the hurry up helps in that sense. We have a bunch of BIG, possesion type guys...

Adams
Allison
Graham
MVS
ESB

A hurry up essentially gives them an extra first step by tiring out the defense and catching them off guard. Since they're bigger targets it'll be a pain for most secondaries having to run around always trying to tackle them.

I'm beginning to think that MM is just not a very smart man to be honest with you all lol.

Adams is averaging a nice yards per catch. Graham is a TE, MVS runs a 4.37 for crying out loud. no burners? St. Brown at 6'5" running in the 4.4's and that's not fast enough? FYI, a decade ago Jordy ran a 4.51

 

[PackinMSP]

It would be interesting if OBJ came to the Packers, I'll say that...

 

[Mondio]

It would be interesting if OBJ came to the Packers, I'll say that...

he was just given 65 million dollars in guaranteed money. You actually think they are dumping him anytime soon?

 

[PackinMSP]

he was just given 65 million dollars in guaranteed money. You actually think they are dumping him anytime soon?

Could be.... Eli is DONE and they already trade Eli Apple

Imagine AR throwing to OBJ....

Sure he's short and he can be a diva but his stats do NOT lie, it would be a similar effect to Brady to Moss IMO

 

[Mondio]

Could be.... Eli is DONE and they already trade Eli Apple

Imagine AR throwing to OBJ....

Sure he's short and he can be a diva but his stats do NOT lie, it would be a similar effect to Brady to Moss IMO

what was the difference between Eli Apple and OBJ and contract? Eli has been done for 3 years and they still decided to invest almost 100 million dollars with over half guaranteed in a pass catcher with nobody to throw him the ball. If they got rid of him now they'd lose about 40 million in cap space. They aren't doing it. Nobody would do it. It isn't happening

 

[Jerellh528]

What are some names you guys like that would be available in the offseason to take over as coach in the the event that MM gets fired? I want to do a little research and digging on these guys to build my preference but don’t know where to start.

 

[PackinMSP]

What are some names you guys like that would be available in the offseason to take over as coach in the the event that MM gets fired? I want to do a little research and digging on these guys to build my preference but don’t know where to start.

There honestly aren't a whole lot, which is probably why MM is still here.

College coaches CAN be good but they generally don't have sustained success; Pete Carroll is an obvious exception.

I'd rather stay away from prying away from the Belichick coaching tree...

I would prefer it be a former player

 

[HardRightEdge]

I was glad to see MM finally give Jones the snaps he deserves. It was bizarre to me though that they didn't use Williams on the one. If there's ever a time to use Williams, it would seem to be there-- the guy's best attribute is that he gets YAC through contact. He stood a better chance of avoiding the safety. I don't get why you give him a pitch play, but use Jones when you need 3 yards and some breathing room. That's backwards.

It is kind of a puzzler. Maybe Williams gets an extra 1/2 yard then it's rinse and repeat on second down. In any event, the problem was screwed up blocking, maybe a miscommunication. It was an 8 man line on a between the tackles run and nobody accounted for Barron standing right in front of the targetted hole. In particular, on a call running right of center with an 8 man line, why would Linsley be chipping left, then bouncing out looking for Joyner who had walked up into the box. It's pretty clear the call was not for Bulaga to make that block or he misunderstood that it was his deal. He was sealing right against the defensive stack, then tried to save it with a reach.

The earlier situation on the Packers own 4 yard line is an interesting contrast. Peters was playing 8 yards off MVS. Quick flip to MVS a yard behind the line for a 4 yard gain. Mission accomplished, but not exactly a no brainer. Despite that deep set, Peters reacted well and MVS was able to work off the tackle that could have easily been a no-gainer. Was it a run call with Williams looking to get a few plus yards and a little breathing room, with an audible to the off coverage? Good chance.

On the safety play, with single wide, Hill was 5 yards off MVS, then Joyner signaled to Hill who then took a step up, making an attempted repeat of the earlier throw particularly dangerous. You can see Rodgers scoping all that. If Hill was 8 yards off, Rodgers goes there again. Sometimes adjustments are not rocket science.

 

[Dantés]

So.... why not do that more against the Rams with Aaron Jones running well and the Rams having a below average secondary????

Don't know. Maybe after seeing the 49ers blowing it up so often in the second half, they didn't want to try it against a better defensive front.

 

[Dantés]

It is kind of a puzzler. Maybe Williams gets an extra 1/2 yard then it's rinse and repeat on second down. In any event, the problem was screwed up blocking, maybe a miscommunication. It was an 8 man line on a between the tackles run and nobody accounted for Barron standing right in front of the targetted hole. In particular, on a call running right of center with an 8 man line, why would Linsley be chipping left, then bouncing out looking for Joyner who had walked up into the box. It's pretty clear the call was not for Bulaga to make that block or he misunderstood that it was his deal. He was sealing right against the defensive stack, then tried to save it with a reach.

The earlier situation on the Packers own 4 yard line is an interesting contrast. Peters was playing 8 yards off MVS. Quick flip to MVS a yard behind the line for a 4 yard gain. Mission accomplished, but not exactly a no brainer. Despite that deep set, Peters reacted well and MVS was able to work off the tackle that could have easily been a no-gainer. Was it a run call with Williams looking to get a few plus yards and a little breathing room, with an audible to the off coverage? Good chance.

On the safety play, with single wide, Hill was 5 yards off MVS, then Joyner signaled to Hill who then took a step up, making an attempted repeat of the earlier throw particularly dangerous. You can see Rodgers scoping all that. If Hill was 8 yards off, Rodgers goes there again. Sometimes adjustments are not rocket science.

Yeah, the play was clearly not executed the way it was supposed to be.

 

[Mondio]

Yeah, the play was clearly not executed the way it was supposed to be.

Exactly, and no play if you execute it like that is going to work for **** most times in that situation. It was doomed from the start practically.

 

[Ogsponge]

Lets be clear on the facts:

1st. drive: 8 plays, 24 yards, punt

Jones had runs of 13, 7 and 8 yards. The drive was killed on 3rd. and 2 with a sack.

2nd. drive: 8 plays, 75 yards, TD

Jones did not touch the ball. Williams had a 5 yard run then the 1 yard TD. On the 48 yarder to Adams, the Rams rushed 5 with Williams standing up the the blitzer at the line, clean pocket. On the almost TD to Graham, the Rams rushed four with Williams in to block if needed, which he wasn't, then released.

3rd. drive: 7 plays, 45 yards, FG

Jones had 4 consecutive runs of 10, 4, 1, and 2 yards to end the drive after moving the ball 28 yards on a pass and a scrable. The 4/2/1 was from a first down and ended up 3 yards short. Running on 3rd. and 5 was highly atypical. It was 4 wide against 6 in the box. Jones ran through a gaping hole untouched but the ILB read it all the way and made a great play.

I don't think your conclusion that Jones was the critical factor in moving the ball and scoring holds up. What happened next is a good defense making adjustments while the Packers worked from bad field position.

And I never said Jones was the critical factor, it was a combination of the offense changing their style of play and personnel. From everything I saw it had more to do with the Packers changing their offense than the rams changing their defense.

 

[pacmaniac]

Got my hopes up when I heard on the radio they said 2 head coaches had been fired in 24 hours. They mentioned the Browns coach, and so I thought MM was canned today. But no, then they mentioned Ty Lue.