Fire MM!

[PackerfaninCarolina]

So far our wide receivers are getting open just fine against a Buffalo defense that shut down Minny.

All Mike McCarthy haters should just go jump off a building.

 

[Janesvilleaces]

Completely different looking team this week....maybe the Washington loss was the best thing for the team

 

[longtimefan]

MYbe players are catching and lineman making holes.

 

[longtimefan]

Screen play was at perfect time

 

[Janesvilleaces]

Yep...is there a game day thread on this site?

 

[longtimefan]

Yep...is there a game day thread on this site?

Shout box

 

[longtimefan]

https://www.packerforum.com/chat/

 

[Sunshinepacker]

You need to stop relying on the opinion of talking heads and actually watch the games.

Who said talking heads?! Announcers for the most part are a waste of time. I'm talking about guys like Chris Brown (author of a really good book called Smart Football), Cian Fahey, Bill Barnwell, etc.; guys that actually write about football. There are actual good football analysts still out there and they are very much worth following on Twitter for some great insights into the NFL.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

I'm talking about guys like Chris Brown (author of a really good book called Smart Football), Cian Fahey, Bill Barnwell, etc.; guys that actually write about football. There are actual good football analysts still out there and they are very much worth following on Twitter for some great insights into the NFL.

I highly doubt good analysts consider McCarthy as one of the worst coaches in the league who the game has passed by.

 

[Sunshinepacker]

I highly doubt good analysts consider McCarthy as one of the worst coaches in the league who the game has passed by.

My goodness, when did I say that? I was replying to a comment about how those analysts giving glowing write-ups to McVay and Shanahan on their play design and that I don't see many of those for McCarthy. You're trying to refute a point I never made. I (emphasis on ME) believe that the game has passed MM by and that MM is riding Rodgers' coattails. I also NEVER said he was one of the worst coaches in the league. I also don't think you need to only move on from an average coach (which MM probably is) when you have a great QB like Rodgers.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

My goodness, when did I say that? I was replying to a comment about how those analysts giving glowing write-ups to McVay and Shanahan on their play design and that I don't see many of those for McCarthy. You're trying to refute a point I never made. I (emphasis on ME) believe that the game has passed MM by and that MM is riding Rodgers' coattails. I also NEVER said he was one of the worst coaches in the league. I also don't think you need to only move on from an average coach (which MM probably is) when you have a great QB like Rodgers.

You definitely implied that McCarthy is one of the worst coaches in the NFL. I don't care about some writers praising those coaches as once again neither McVay nor Shanahan have had sustained success while MM has coached one of the most prolific offenses over the past 12+ seasons. Yet some posters around here want to make us believe the game has passed him by and the Packers should hire one of the numerous head coaching candidates presenting an upgrade over him

 

[PackerfaninCarolina]

I was replying to a comment about how those analysts giving glowing write-ups to McVay and Shanahan on their play design and that I don't see many of those for McCarthy.

This is usually the case for brand new head coaches as opposed to longtime guys like Payton and McCarthy, but no surprise you wouldn't know that.

 

[GleefulGary]

Who said talking heads?! Announcers for the most part are a waste of time. I'm talking about guys like Chris Brown (author of a really good book called Smart Football), Cian Fahey, Bill Barnwell, etc.; guys that actually write about football. There are actual good football analysts still out there and they are very much worth following on Twitter for some great insights into the NFL.

Cian Fahey? You must be kidding. He’s an utter moron. Chris Brown is very good. Fahey is trash.

 

[Sunshinepacker]

This is usually the case for brand new head coaches as opposed to longtime guys like Payton and McCarthy, but no surprise you wouldn't know that.

Why no surprise? Just because I don't believe MM is the offensive genius you seem to believe he is? I see plenty of people praising Payton's use of Kamara and how he designs his offense. I get it. You like MM. You want him to stick around and obviously any criticism is off base. I mean, I doubt you'd even trust Aaron Rodgers to be critical of the offensive gameplan getting playmakers more involved....

 

[Sunshinepacker]

So far our wide receivers are getting open just fine against a Buffalo defense that shut down Minny.

All Mike McCarthy haters should just go jump off a building.

Uhmmm...you mean the receivers that are able to get open because the oline is actually protecting Rodgers? Unlike the Minny oline that played just about as well as a wall of cellophane against the Bills dline. The Vikes lost that game for a number of reasons but the primary one was that I'm pretty sure the Bills pressured the QB 745 times that game.

 

[PackerfaninCarolina]

Uhmmm...you mean the receivers that are able to get open because the oline is actually protecting Rodgers? Unlike the Minny oline that played just about as well as a wall of cellophane against the Bills dline. The Vikes lost that game for a number of reasons but the primary one was that I'm pretty sure the Bills pressured the QB 745 times that game.

Funny, I keep hearing people complain about the right side of our OL. Besides, I thought Jon DeFillipo's brand new offense was supposed to offset that problem?

 

[PackerFanLV]

What I see too much of is that we mostly need to rely on pinpoint passing. Our receivers do not get that open. And I believe it is because of the plays called. I think if MM handed off play calling responsibility just two or three series per game; it would make us less predictable.

People cant see its the same plays over and over and over. Its really not receivers getting open anymore, its the same Offense for almost a decade. Trib scored 6 TD's aaron sstruggling to score 2 because of the stale offensive playbook.

 

[Sunshinepacker]

Funny, I keep hearing people complain about the right side of our OL. Besides, I thought Jon DeFillipo's brand new offense was supposed to offset that problem?

I pointed out that the main reason the Vikings were awful against the Bills was because they gave up a TON of pressure (e.g., Jerry Hughes along pressured Cousins 12 times) while I don't think any dlineman for the Bills got more than one pressure against the Packers. Are you trying to say that people complaining about the right side of the oline somehow refutes those points?

 

[Deleted member 6794]

Why no surprise? Just because I don't believe MM is the offensive genius you seem to believe he is? I see plenty of people praising Payton's use of Kamara and how he designs his offense. I get it. You like MM. You want him to stick around and obviously any criticism is off base. I mean, I doubt you'd even trust Aaron Rodgers to be critical of the offensive gameplan getting playmakers more involved....

The Packers don't have a player as talented as Kamara though with Jones still struggling as a receiver.

Uhmmm...you mean the receivers that are able to get open because the oline is actually protecting Rodgers?

What's your point??? It should be pretty obvious to everyone that the offensive line has to protect the quarterback for receivers being able to get open.

Trib scored 6 TD's aaron sstruggling to score 2 because of the stale offensive playbook.

That's hilarious, Trubisky entered Sunday's game with a total of nine touchdowns passes in 15 starts. Yet there are fans that use his performance against one of the worst defensive teams in the league as evidence that there scheme is superior to the Packers one albeit Green Bay has featured one of the most prolific offenses over the past 12+ seasons.

 

[Sunshinepacker]

The Packers don't have a player as talented as Kamara though with Jones still struggling as a receiver.

Yes, not every situation is identical. The excuses for MM are myriad. Packers don't have a speedster to blow the top off a defense. Packers don't have an All-Pro RB like Kamara. Packers don't have a dominant TE like Kelce/Gronk. Well, that's what a great offensive mind is supposed to compensate for. The Packers DO have a great QB. The Packers DO have a good oline. The Packers DO have a great WR in Adams. The Packers DO have a good RB in Jones.

What's your point??? It should be pretty obvious to everyone that the offensive line has to protect the quarterback for receivers being able to get open.

Well, when you don't read the context in which a comment is made I can understand why it might be confusing, so I'll summarize. One poster pointed out that the Packers WRs were getting open against the Bills while the Vikings WRs were not as succesful, and then used that as evidence that MM must be a great offensive coach. I pointed out that the Vikings main issue was that they couldn't block the Bills' dline while the Packers oline did a good job against the Bills. That's the context of why I pointed out that receivers getting open was due to the oline blocking long enough to throw the ball, not due to some great offensive scheme that got guys open. Hope that clears it up.

 

[Mondio]

any play down field with a receiver open is made possible by time in the pocket or a QB making time. and GB does. Graham, Adams, Allison, Monty, MVS, all had plays down field and some of adams were to a wide open middle. Allison too. Quit acting like every team does this on every play. you see 2-3 per game from all the teams in the league like that most weeks and translate that to all teams have WR's just running free whenever they want. GB has been a leader in offense for over a decade.

 

[GleefulGary]

any play down field with a receiver open is made possible by time in the pocket or a QB making time. and GB does. Graham, Adams, Allison, Monty, MVS, all had plays down field and some of adams were to a wide open middle. Allison too. Quit acting like every team does this on every play. you see 2-3 per game from all the teams in the league like that most weeks and translate that to all teams have WR's just running free whenever they want. GB has been a leader in offense for over a decade.

The difference is we watch clips of those teams and full games of the Packers. It jades people.

 

[Packer Brother]

Here's a scenario: Packers go 11-1 to finish the season. They then proceed to lay an egg in the first home division playoff game. Does MM return? In otherwords, is regular season success enough to save his job if we flame out in the postseason again?

 

[GleefulGary]

I think this is very simple.

Sean McVay is an offensive genius. He’s not normal. Of course I wish MM was more like him, but it’s undetstandable he isn’t.

Andy Reid is an offensive genius.

MM is a good offensive coach. He’s not a genius, he’s not perfect, but he is good. I wish he used players more creatively, I wish he wouldn’t rely on ISO routes so much. But the idea that he’s some moron is ridiculous. He’s not McVay, nobody is. But I see people in here wishing we used two QB’s on a play. Idiots. Teams with good QB’s don’t do that. Just because it’s cool, and it worked once, doesn’t mean it’s smart.

 

[PackAttack12]

Here's a scenario: Packers go 11-1 to finish the season. They then proceed to lay an egg in the first home division playoff game. Does MM return? In otherwords, is regular season success enough to save his job if we flame out in the postseason again?

That would put the Packers at 13-2-1, which would all but certainly give the Packers a 1st round bye.

Depending on how that divisional game would shake out (circumstances), I'd say it's possible he would get let go.