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Im pretty sure Adams knows hes in the same class as a wr as Rodgers is as a qb. I think the ego thing comes into it more...when the player has an expectation of his worth and the FO expresses a vastly different expectation of the players value. Thats the kind of thing that can lead to a player starting to think...hmm maybe it would be nice to live life somewhere else, maybe reunite with an old friend. And in my eyes its the job of the FO to keep those thoughts out of players minds as much as they can but certainly dont be the catalyst
Amen. We dont have to guess at that either as we witness ego all the time throughout sports. Let’s face it, Davante had plenty of options and he knew it and even hinted at that.
I’m so glad this Davante disaster is behind us, now we can draft another OL bull to open some run lanes for our 2 great RBs.

We will be fine if we bolster our OL and DL, then add a few WR’s to our stable. Who knows? Maybe Gute stands Pat and drafts 2 WR’s inside of top 40 overall. Don’t be shocked by a move up the board
 

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Im pretty sure Adams knows hes in the same class as a wr as Rodgers is as a qb. I think the ego thing comes into it more...when the player has an expectation of his worth and the FO expresses a vastly different expectation of the players value. Thats the kind of thing that can lead to a player starting to think...hmm maybe it would be nice to live life somewhere else, maybe reunite with an old friend. And in my eyes its the job of the FO to keep those thoughts out of players minds as much as they can but certainly dont be the catalyst
Again, this sounds like you are assuming the players opinion of his own value is always correct and that the Front Office's job is to roll out the red carpet, bend over and grab their ankles. That would be a really terrible way to run a business. Soon you would have every player demanding top dollar and if they didn't get it, they would want out of that management style and be traded somewhere that they can call the shots.
 
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Again, I think this is a blinders look at the full process of how a widely sought after player is approached before he officially would become a Free agent. If it wasn't just about the money, then it wouldn't matter what or when the Packers made offers. A good agent is going to know his clients value to other teams. He may talk to other GM's or depending on tampering rules, "get the word out" that his client might be hitting the trade market. In this case Davante's agent knew that the Raiders were his clients top choice. So guessing his agent probably found out from Mayock, who was the Raiders GM until he was fired on 1/17/22, what Davante might be worth to them. If nothing else, when the time came to reopen negotiations, he would have some numbers that other teams would pay. Mayock's firing might have slowed up or forced a restart of the process once Dave Ziegler was hired as the new GM on 1/30/22.

For all we know, Davante's mind to become a Raider was made up last summer. Maybe it was he/his agent that said to the Packers "Give us your offer and when we can legally shop Davante, we will get back to you." In that case, I doubt the Packers gave their top dollar offer, but they also probably didn't say "We are sticking to $23M/year or tagging him." As a matter of fact, it appears whether they told Davante or not, they were willing to top the Raiders offer.
My view is while all that may be true. It would’ve taken a $ number we didn’t have. I promise you he’d be a Packer at $40mil yearly. Ridiculous $$ forgives many sins.
I’d bet a membership to the Jelly of the Month Club (what’s left they sent me 6 jars already)

Let’s go get a Run blocking Mauler for Dillon with all these draft picks! With some injury fortune, we could have a very stout OL with adequate depth
 

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My view is while all that may be true. It would’ve taken a $ number we didn’t have. I promise you he’d be a Packer at $40mil yearly. I’d bet a membership to the Jelly of the Month Club (what’s left they sent me 6 jars already
I would be pretty PO'd if the Packers just blindly gave him that kind of money and I don't think Gute would be around much longer if they had. Also, one has to consider that his value to the Packers VS his value to the Raiders, is different. As was his desire to be a Packer VS a Raider. The Raiders were not a cap strapped team like the Packers. Their offer due to no state sales tax in Vegas, actually puts more money in Davante's pockets.

Bottom line for me, the Packers probably knew Davante wanted out, they offered him what they valued him at to stay. It didn't work out and fortunately, they got 2 decent picks for him. A win win for both sides.
 
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I would be pretty PO'd if the Packers just blindly gave him that kind of money and I don't think Gute would be around much longer if they had. Also, one has to consider that his value to the Packers VS his value to the Raiders, is different. As was his desire to be a Packer VS a Raider. The Raiders were not a cap strapped team like the Packers. Their offer due to no state sales tax in Vegas, actually puts more money in Davante's pockets.

Bottom line for me, the Packers probably knew Davante wanted out, they offered him what they valued him at to stay. It didn't work out and fortunately, they got 2 decent picks for him. A win win for both sides.
Oh I’m not mad at either position. Sometimes God puts us in situations that don’t initially look favorable.
I can honestly say I’m Elated we didn’t break the bank on a#17

We will be just fine. Big money players move around all the time
 

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Jennings did want to stay in Green Bay though, Adams did not.

Im just saying Adams is still gonna be a top 3 wr in the NFL with derek carr as his qb...greg jennings was not good without Rodgers

I was saying Adams left voluntarily i never said jennings did...
 
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I agree with what you're saying for the most part...except from what Ive heard the Packers only recently offered Adams that money. Had they offered him the 28 m per offer prior to last season or even during last season, does he sign it?

Adams made it pretty clear that it was his lifelong dream to play for the Raiders. I don't think there's anything the Packers could have done to keep him around without him causing distractions because of it.
 

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Adams made it pretty clear that it was his lifelong dream to play for the Raiders. I don't think there's anything the Packers could have done to keep him around without him causing distractions because of it.

If they had offered to pay him more than hopkins 2 year extension prior to the season i believe he resigns with packers...

"(Playing for the Raiders) It's something we were definitely looking forward to, potentially, doing down the road," Adams said in his introductory press conference. "But obviously, me playing in Green Bay, a great situation, having, you know, the greatest quarterback to play the game (in Aaron Rodgers), that's a dream in itself."

He said "down the road" and playing with Rodgers "a dream in itself"

“As things progressed, obviously we communicated multiple times a week,” Adams said at Tuesday’s introductory news conference at the Raiders’ training facility. “Once we got to a point where it was something that could be realistic and not just a thought, we started to put a little plan together. I was still back in Green Bay at that point. I was still weighing my options.”

Once it became realistic and not just a thought. He was still in GB weighing his options. Paraphrase but to me that says he hadnt decided on the Raiders prior to the season. I think that only happened becas GB offered him only slightly more than Julios 22 m per prior to the season. Had they got it done at that point, he stays. I recall him voicing frustration about how contract talks were going or i guess not going during the summer
 

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I agree with what you're saying for the most part...except from what Ive heard the Packers only recently offered Adams that money. Had they offered him the 28 m per offer prior to last season or even during last season, does he sign it?
I hope not… because it’s too much money.
 
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If they had offered to pay him more than hopkins 2 year extension prior to the season i believe he resigns with packers...

"(Playing for the Raiders) It's something we were definitely looking forward to, potentially, doing down the road," Adams said in his introductory press conference. "But obviously, me playing in Green Bay, a great situation, having, you know, the greatest quarterback to play the game (in Aaron Rodgers), that's a dream in itself."

He said "down the road" and playing with Rodgers "a dream in itself"

“As things progressed, obviously we communicated multiple times a week,” Adams said at Tuesday’s introductory news conference at the Raiders’ training facility. “Once we got to a point where it was something that could be realistic and not just a thought, we started to put a little plan together. I was still back in Green Bay at that point. I was still weighing my options.”

Once it became realistic and not just a thought. He was still in GB weighing his options. Paraphrase but to me that says he hadnt decided on the Raiders prior to the season. I think that only happened becas GB offered him only slightly more than Julios 22 m per prior to the season. Had they got it done at that point, he stays. I recall him voicing frustration about how contract talks were going or i guess not going during the summer

I agree that the Packers possibly could have signed Adams to an extension before the start of the 2021 season.

Once that didn't happen it seems he made up his mind as he wasn't interested in negotiating a contract during the season and shortly after it made it clear he wanted to leave for the Raiders. At least if you believe Tom Silverstein.

 

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Who cares?
Its a week later.. Stop trying to place blame why it happened..

And just realized this is about aj dillion
 

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Who cares?
Its a week later.. Stop trying to place blame why it happened..

And just realized this is about aj dillion

You think Dillon is gonna be as good a rb as Adams is a wr?

I like dude and hope they give him the ball more but I dont see him becoming a fhof player
 

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You think Dillon is gonna be as good a rb as Adams is a wr?

I like dude and hope they give him the ball more but I dont see him becoming a fhof player

I think for a small window of time it could be said Dillon will impact a game about as close to what a WR can and does at times. Much smaller window on RBs though.
 

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With a shorter list of good WRs on the roster, it's possible we'll be seeing more 2 RB sets, using one of them as the motion man. It can create some interesting scenarios when it comes to both the running and passing games.

I realize that Jones had over 50 receptions, and Dillon over 30. That's a lot, but that total could easily go over 100 this coming season, thereby taking some pressure off the need to have a seriously productive #3 receiver.

Just looking at playing the best game you can, with the hand you're dealt.
 

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With a shorter list of good WRs on the roster, it's possible we'll be seeing more 2 RB sets, using one of them as the motion man. It can create some interesting scenarios when it comes to both the running and passing games.

I realize that Jones had over 50 receptions, and Dillon over 30. That's a lot, but that total could easily go over 100 this coming season, thereby taking some pressure off the need to have a seriously productive #3 receiver.

Just looking at playing the best game you can, with the hand you're dealt.
I wouldn't mind using Jones and Dillon more in the passing game but the hand they have been dealt in the WR game wouldn't win a game of high card wins. IMO they need 2 vets and a rookie (1st rounder) or 2 rookies (1st and 2nd, or maybe 3rd) and a vet. I'd prefer the latter. Heck, if they were set to go with 7 I'd say say take 4 but I think Lazard, Cobb and Rodgers are pretty much locks so unless they go with 7 looks like they draw three.
 

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I wouldn't mind using Jones and Dillon more in the passing game but the hand they have been dealt in the WR game wouldn't win a game of high card wins. IMO they need 2 vets and a rookie (1st rounder) or 2 rookies (1st and 2nd, or maybe 3rd) and a vet. I'd prefer the latter. Heck, if they were set to go with 7 I'd say say take 4 but I think Lazard, Cobb and Rodgers are pretty much locks so unless they go with 7 looks like they draw three.
I agree with your numbers. I see six, and stash someone on practice squad. Possibly two there to be honest, at least early on. But, 7 is not unrealistic either. There are so many questions as to where they intend taking the offense this year. What will be their primary focus in the passing game? Will they try to add 5-10% more runs to the mix this year? So hard to say.

I think most of it gets sorted out in preseason. Right now, they're still weighing options.
 

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I think most of it gets sorted out in preseason. Right now, they're still weighing options.
Rodgers hasn't played much in preseason, so that might be difficult. No doubt the offense changes without Adams. I hope we see 3-5 receivers, plus the TE's and RB's catching a lot of passes.
 
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