Dillon.......keeping defenses honest.

[sschind]

That includes other positions,

Cobb, Lazard, Rodgers, Taylor, Winfree, Taylor, Blair and Gafford

Somehow when I sorted WRs by team on OTC that's what came up. I thought I edited it but must not have although OTC has Ento, Malone and Moore listed as WRs but Street Free Agents. Maybe they are PS players, I don't know.

 

[tynimiller]

Somehow when I sorted WRs by team on OTC that's what came up. I thought I edited it but must not have although OTC has Ento, Malone and Moore listed as WRs but Street Free Agents. Maybe they are PS players, I don't know.

There is no practice squad at this time of year. Malone was brought on late in 2021 but received no future or present contract and is a free agent.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

Although I totally agree with you, I keep getting this nagging feeling that I had over the last two years. People saying Rodgers should be sent packing, and to spite them, he ends up winning two MVPs.

With a little more talent added to the receivers room, and two or three guys already there stepping up some, and Rodgers? Don't sell him, nor LeFleur short, in putting together a passing game that's highly effective.

I think Rodgers is one of those few people who have played the game, who see the field in front of them so well that they are able to make decisions that others can't. Pointing out individual plays that he threw to the wrong guy, in our "opinion" don't matter. What does matter is his ability to read defenses.

I'm definitely not selling Rodgers short but even he needs more talent at wide receiver than the Packers currently have to make the passing game successful.

I agree, when he has been forced to work with "no names" he has excelled. Can you bank on him doing that every game of this coming season no...but I would bet even with the roster we presently have Aaron Rodgers and MLF would still win the division....which is crazy.

I highly doubt the Packers would win the division with the receiving corps currently under contract.

You are right. Maybe not a lock but after spending a third rounder I don't see them giving up after a year so I would say odds are that he makes it. Obviously it depends on who else they sign and how many they keep.

In my opinion it's probable that Amari ends up making the roster as well but it's not a given.

Somehow when I sorted WRs by team on OTC that's what came up. I thought I edited it but must not have although OTC has Ento, Malone and Moore listed as WRs but Street Free Agents. Maybe they are PS players, I don't know.

Moore didn't receive a future contract either and is currently a free agent as well.

 

[tynimiller]

I highly doubt the Packers would win the division with the receiving corps currently under contract.

I feel bad I'll never be able to prove you wrong on this LOL Because it isn't happening that we don't do anything.

 

[sschind]

There is no practice squad at this time of year. Malone was brought on late in 2021 but received no future or present contract and is a free agent.

Moore didn't receive a future contract either and is currently a free agent as well.

OTC needs to get their **** together then. Click on positions, WRs and sort by team and both show up under Packers. They don't show up under Packers contracts page though. .
The reason I went the first route is the team page doesn't list positions and when you get down to the bottom of the barrel players like that the names all sort of run together.

As I look at the page now I understand that the "2022SFA" means they are FAs in 2022. I thought it meant after 2022

Either way, the point is that with the lack of talent the Packers have at WR beyond Lazard and Cobb it is not surprising that a second year player who was rather disappointing in his rookie season is the third best WR on the team. Alarming perhaps but not surprising.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

OTC needs to get their **** together then. Click on positions, WRs and sort by team and both show up under Packers. They don't show up under Packers contracts page though.

I typically like to use Spotrac for contract stuff.

For the most up to date roster, I tend to look at this Packers site.

Obviously, everyone has their own preferences on sites and for salaries, OTC is pretty useful. I just never liked the way they listed things and as you pointed out, they are pretty slow at updating.

Either way, the point is that with the lack of talent the Packers have at WR beyond Lazard and Cobb it is not surprising that a second year player who was rather disappointing in his rookie season is the third best WR on the team. Alarming perhaps but not surprising.

If they coax Jeff Janis out of retirement, he could be their #3 or #4 WR.

 

[sschind]

I typically like to use Spotrac for contract stuff.

For the most up to date roster, I tend to look at this Packers site.

Obviously, everyone has their own preferences on sites and for salaries, OTC is pretty useful. I just never liked the way they listed things and as you pointed out, they are pretty slow at updating.



If they coax Jeff Janis out of retirement, he could be their #3 or #4 WR.

I don't know, I think Rodgers would still be #3.

I used to go to spotrac but somewhere along the line I put OTC in my favorites and never really knew I had changed it. I just thought spotrac changed its layout.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

I don't know, I think Rodgers would still be #3.

Mr. or Amari?

OK, so I like taking cheap shots at the Packers WR group, but for me its been a glaring issue for too many years. There is hope though, I think this is finally the year, that they will be very active in attempting to improve it. I just hope that this attempt isn't done through UDFA's, late round rookies or last minute/mid season signings.

 

[tynimiller]

I don't know, I think Rodgers would still be #3.

I used to go to spotrac but somewhere along the line I put OTC in my favorites and never really knew I had changed it. I just thought spotrac changed its layout.

For messing with pre/post June 1st cuts and such OTC is better, but for actual roster and contract updates I've found Spotrac to be much quicker to be legit.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

One site I really like to use, that often predicts future news of the Packers and the people there really seem to know their stuff, is this one.

 

[sschind]

One site I really like to use, that often predicts future news of the Packers and the people there really seem to know their stuff, is this one.

I don't know? Too many people on ignore for it to be effective

Mr. or Amari?

OK, so I like taking cheap shots at the Packers WR group, but for me its been a glaring issue for too many years. There is hope though, I think this is finally the year, that they will be very active in attempting to improve it. I just hope that this attempt isn't done through UDFA's, late round rookies or last minute/mid season signings.

We have been in agreement on this point for years now. Since Jennings left at least.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

We have been in agreement on this point for years now. Since Jennings left at least.

Can't remember the dates and it was a slow evolution. It started about the time that we let Jennings walk and Jermichael Finley was lost permanently due to his neck injury. While TT drafted Adams, which turned out to be a great pick, he just let TE flail in the breeze. Turns out Adams would be the last WR drafted that made a significant impact to the team. Jordy, Jones,Cobb and eventually Adams, were a pretty solid group. However, as Jones and Jordy aged and Cobb struggled with injuries, TT should have been finding their replacements. Then Gute takes over and tries to do it through 3 mid to late round picks.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

Mr. or Amari?

OK, so I like taking cheap shots at the Packers WR group, but for me its been a glaring issue for too many years. There is hope though, I think this is finally the year, that they will be very active in attempting to improve it. I just hope that this attempt isn't done through UDFA's, late round rookies or last minute/mid season signings.

I fully expect the Packers to upgrade the wide receiver position both in free agency as well as with early rounders in the draft. Unfortunately they currently lack that much talent that I'm not sure it will be possible to improve the position compared to previous seasons.

 

[kevans74]

Can't remember the dates and it was a slow evolution. It started about the time that we let Jennings walk and Jermichael Finley was lost permanently due to his neck injury. While TT drafted Adams, which turned out to be a great pick, he just let TE flail in the breeze. Turns out Adams would be the last WR drafted that made a significant impact to the team. Jordy, Jones,Cobb and eventually Adams, were a pretty solid group. However, as Jones and Jordy aged and Cobb struggled with injuries, TT should have been finding their replacements. Then Gute takes over and tries to do it through 3 mid to late round picks.

Totally with you here, I feel that Gute has been too over reliant on ARs talent to bail them out of not "needing" highly drafted WRs. Or that maybe MLFs scheme can scheme WRs/TEs/HBs open and maybe you don't "need" them.

There is some middle ground here and we will find out this season.

This is also why I mentioned in another post that I believe that AR could *potentially* have an even BETTER year this year

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Or that maybe MLFs scheme can scheme WRs/TEs/HBs open and maybe you don't "need" them.

You know I have been reading that a lot from posters and while it may be true to a certain extent, I can't help but feel that if the WR/TE talent was at a higher level, we would be seeing an even more potent offense. Look at what Tonyan accomplished in 2020. I really don't think he is the next Travis Kelce, but he had a really nice season in a good offensive system, with an MVP QB.

So sure, we don't need 4 Pro Bowl Guys out there running routes and catching passes, but we definitely have lacked talent and that becomes more apparent against really good defenses.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

I fully expect the Packers to upgrade the wide receiver position both in free agency as well as with early rounders in the draft. Unfortunately they currently lack that much talent that I'm not sure it will be possible to improve the position compared to previous seasons.

No doubt they will try to upgrade from what they currently have and as I have joked, signing Jeff Janus would accomplish that. While they might not be able to replace the output of Davante, what I think they can do or at least get a jump on it for future seasons, is to get 2 young talented receivers in the draft that can slowly build chemistry with Rodgers. Couple that with signing an experienced FA vet, Lazard, Cobb and maybe an improved Amari Rodgers and I actually think our WR room talent as a group could be better than previous seasons. How well those 6 players and Rodgers meld in year 1, is the biggest wildcard.

 

[PikeBadger]

Can't remember the dates and it was a slow evolution. It started about the time that we let Jennings walk and Jermichael Finley was lost permanently due to his neck injury. While TT drafted Adams, which turned out to be a great pick, he just let TE flail in the breeze. Turns out Adams would be the last WR drafted that made a significant impact to the team. Jordy, Jones,Cobb and eventually Adams, were a pretty solid group. However, as Jones and Jordy aged and Cobb struggled with injuries, TT should have been finding their replacements. Then Gute takes over and tries to do it through 3 mid to late round picks.

So what did the defense look like in those years? Anyone remember the difficulty we had on all 3 levels of the defense? Also needing to replace a pair of very good guards and needing a new center?

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

So what did the defense look like in those years? Anyone remember the difficulty we had on all 3 levels of the defense? Also needing to replace a pair of very good guards and needing a new center?

No doubt our defense had holes to fill, but that doesn't mean you just ignore the WR/TE position. As me and a few others have stated, that was easy for TT and Gute to do/try to get away with, since Rodgers was compensating for the talent dwindling. TT also struck out on a lot of his top draft picks on defense, so that compounded the situation even more.

 

[sschind]

No doubt our defense had holes to fill, but that doesn't mean you just ignore the WR/TE position. As me and a few others have stated, that was easy for TT and Gute to do/try to get away with, since Rodgers was compensating for the talent dwindling. TT also struck out on a lot of his top draft picks on defense, so that compounded the situation even more.

Rodgers did cover for a lot of weaknesses in the WR department. Its possible those in charge relied on this to try to fix other areas.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Rodgers did cover for a lot of weaknesses in the WR department. Its possible those in charge relied on this to try to fix other areas.

Most definitely and at TE as well. Who knows, maybe you could even say Rodgers makes the OL look better too. Eye test when Hundley, Kizer or Love played, all 3 seemed to be playing under a lot more defensive pressure than Rodgers does. Could have been the team they were playing, their inability to ready the defense as well as Rodgers does, audible out, etc.

Whenever Rodgers hangs up his cleats, there will be a lot of talk about his lack of accomplishments, mainly Super Bowl wins. I just can't help but wonder if we would be talking about more SB wins, had TT and Gute given him more to work with.

 

[tynimiller]

Most definitely and at TE as well. Who knows, maybe you could even say Rodgers makes the OL look better too. Eye test when Hundley, Kizer or Love played, all 3 seemed to be playing under a lot more defensive pressure than Rodgers does. Could have been the team they were playing, their inability to ready the defense as well as Rodgers does, audible out, etc.

Whenever Rodgers hangs up his cleats, there will be a lot of talk about his lack of accomplishments, mainly Super Bowl wins. I just can't help but wonder if we would be talking about more SB wins, had TT and Gute given him more to work with.

It has been only a very few years recently where I'll hear the argument of not enough weapons....for years this team gave him multiple excellent WRs that produced. You cannot have All Pros everywhere NOR can you expect to field two, three or four All Pro Receiving Threats without massive holes most likely somewhere else.

Some folks will want to point outside of Rodgers for his failures of rings....others will only point to Rodgers - I say both are ignorant of the truth.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

It has been only a very few years recently where I'll hear the argument of not enough weapons....for years this team gave him multiple excellent WRs that produced.

I can't remember where I posted it, but I think it all started in 2013 when Jennings was allowed to leave and Finley went down with an injury. TT went cheap on the TE position for too long after that. Jennings was replaced by Adams in 2014, but that was a 2-3 year project. Then slowly we lost our top 3 WR's in Jones, Jordy and Cobb and at no time were they replaced. So yes, some of the receivers that Rodgers has worked in the last 14 years with have been phenomenal, but as AR got better and better, his weapons slowly got worse/fewer.

 

[tynimiller]

I can't remember where I posted it, but I think it all started in 2013 when Jennings was allowed to leave and Finley went down with an injury. TT went cheap on the TE position for too long after that. Jennings was replaced by Adams in 2014, but that was a 2-3 year project. Then slowly we lost our top 3 WR's in Jones, Jordy and Cobb and at no time were they replaced. So yes, some of the receivers that Rodgers has worked in the last 14 years with have been phenomenal, but as AR got better and better, his weapons slowly got worse/fewer.

Skill Position Players of Note
2008 - Jennings, Driver, Nelson, Jones, Grant (big year)
2009 - Jennings, Driver, Finley, Nelson, Grant (monster year)
2010 - Jennings, Jones, Nelson, Driver, Finley
2011 - Nelson, Jennings, Finley, Jones, Driver, Cobb..Grant/Starks combined for over 1500 all purpose
2012 - Cobb, Jordy, Jones, Driver, Finley, Jennings
2013 - Jordy Nelson, James Jones, Eddie Lacy, Finley (got hurt), Cobb
2014 - Jordy Nelson, Cobb, Adams (first year put up 446 yards), Lacy (still beast)
2015 - James Jones, Jordy (year he missed), Cobb, Adams, Lacy/Starks (both put up over 900+ all purpose yards), Richard Rodgers chipped in 500+ yards even and 8 TDs
2016 - Jordy, Adams, Cobb, Jared Cook
2017 - Adams, Cobb, Jordy, Jamaal and Aaron Jones rookies but did well on the ground as duo
2018 - Adams, Cobb, MVS (put up 581 yards as rookie), Aaron Jones and Jamaal producing over 1500+ all purpose
*2018 was the first year we really dropped below two "sure thing" WRs in YEARS (even longer than I'm showing) and for the rookie year it appeared as if TT found a possible future #3 or more in MVS production wise.
2019 - Adams, Jones, Williams...and MVS didn't progress. I still to this day feel TT and everyone thought MVS was going to be that #2 with Cobb gone and it simply didn't happen. We'd gambled amazingly well with when to let other guys walk and such...but letting Cobb walk before someone showed two years to us was the mistake.

2019 was the most recent year I argue that was when we didn't provide Rodgers with a cast of weapons sufficiently. I want to give him 2 out of 3 of WR/RB/TE #1s, and a second guy that is SOLID as the #2 at one of them as well (preferrable IMO to be a WR or RB).

2020 and 2021 we all know - our RBs just kept getting better, Tonyan exploded in 2020 which helped that offense be so deadly...MVS and Lazard in 2020 tag teamed the #2 role but no one actually grabbed it.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Skill Position Players of Note
2008 - Jennings, Driver, Nelson, Jones, Grant (big year)
2009 - Jennings, Driver, Finley, Nelson, Grant (monster year)
2010 - Jennings, Jones, Nelson, Driver, Finley
2011 - Nelson, Jennings, Finley, Jones, Driver, Cobb..Grant/Starks combined for over 1500 all purpose
2012 - Cobb, Jordy, Jones, Driver, Finley, Jennings
2013 - Jordy Nelson, James Jones, Eddie Lacy, Finley (got hurt), Cobb
2014 - Jordy Nelson, Cobb, Adams (first year put up 446 yards), Lacy (still beast)
2015 - James Jones, Jordy (year he missed), Cobb, Adams, Lacy/Starks (both put up over 900+ all purpose yards), Richard Rodgers chipped in 500+ yards even and 8 TDs
2016 - Jordy, Adams, Cobb, Jared Cook
2017 - Adams, Cobb, Jordy, Jamaal and Aaron Jones rookies but did well on the ground as duo
2018 - Adams, Cobb, MVS (put up 581 yards as rookie), Aaron Jones and Jamaal producing over 1500+ all purpose
*2018 was the first year we really dropped below two "sure thing" WRs in YEARS (even longer than I'm showing) and for the rookie year it appeared as if TT found a possible future #3 or more in MVS production wise.
2019 - Adams, Jones, Williams...and MVS didn't progress. I still to this day feel TT and everyone thought MVS was going to be that #2 with Cobb gone and it simply didn't happen. We'd gambled amazingly well with when to let other guys walk and such...but letting Cobb walk before someone showed two years to us was the mistake.

2019 was the most recent year I argue that was when we didn't provide Rodgers with a cast of weapons sufficiently. I want to give him 2 out of 3 of WR/RB/TE #1s, and a second guy that is SOLID as the #2 at one of them as well (preferrable IMO to be a WR or RB).

2020 and 2021 we all know - our RBs just kept getting better, Tonyan exploded in 2020 which helped that offense be so deadly...MVS and Lazard in 2020 tag teamed the #2 role but no one actually grabbed it.

Thanks....a lot more work than I would have wanted to put into it, but agrees with most of my "mind set". Remember, along the way with Cobb, Jordy and Jones, you got diminishing returns either due to injury or age. Not that you can build the injury factor in or afford to have 7 Pro Bowl WR's, but when you have guys that are now out of football as your #4-7 guys tailing your 3 studs, that isn't smart roster building either. That is the time you start backfilling with higher round rookies, much like when Adams was drafted.

I am glad that you included both TE's and RB's. I often times leave the RB's out and I shouldn't. No doubt the RB's, especially in MLF's system have helped pick up a lot of the slack.

It is water over the damn, but Gute really kind of messed up by not drafting a WR or 2 high in the last few years. Especially given the fact that Adams contract was going to expire. Would have should have could have.

 

[tynimiller]

Thanks....a lot more work than I would have wanted to put into it, but agrees with most of my "mind set". Remember, along the way with Cobb, Jordy and Jones, you got diminishing returns either due to injury or age. Not that you can build the injury factor in or afford to have 7 Pro Bowl WR's, but when you have guys that are now out of football as your #4-7 guys tailing your 3 studs, that isn't smart roster building either. That is the time you start backfilling with higher round rookies, much like when Adams was drafted.

I am glad that you included both TE's and RB's. I often times leave the RB's out and I shouldn't. No doubt the RB's, especially in MLF's system have helped pick up a lot of the slack.

It is water over the damn, but Gute really kind of messed up by not drafting a WR or 2 high in the last few years. Especially given the fact that Adams contract was going to expire. Would have should have could have.

You know I was screaming for Pittman especially when we traded up….