Who is our #2 RB this year?

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It seems I'm more optimistic about their abilities than some of you. I do not expect them to regress. I'm not very high on Toure but we have one too many right now. And we will have several on the practice squad that I know nothing about.
I agree.
I still think the decision to draft a WR doesn’t need to be forced. We just happen to have 11 selections in a deep Top and bottom WR class.

Now if I had 7 picks? in an average to weaker WR class? my position would likely be different.

I feel similarly at RB. IF a good deal presents itself
 

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Well, I don't know if anyone's going so far as to think we're going to trade Dontavion Wicks or Bo Melton for a "magic bullet" like Marshall Faulk or Charles Woodson. That's just not realistic.

But as these players develop another year or year and a half, some of them - yeah - will settle into a sort of "regression to the mean". Looking at them last year, we saw not only how amazing they were in that moment as they grew week by week, but were also swept away by how unexpected it was. Because you didn't expect them to be that good, and because basically all we saw was progress and positive development all year. We saw no regression at all, at any poimt.

But next season, we will. Some of them will fall short of the bar they set last year - and we'll notice, and be dissapointed. And then they may not look as special to us.

But even assuming that some of them won't shine so brightly in 24, I think it's safe to expect that as a group, over the next couple of years we're likely to have a deeper group of promising young receivers than almost any other team in the league. None of them are going to net us a star player in a trade, but some of them may bring back a player who meets a need in an area where we're weak. And sometimes just the right player, in the right spot, at the right time is the last piece you need.
Well said. And only one guy can catch a ball per play, and that doesn't even factor in Watson somehow managing to stay on the field.

So hopefully Love and these receivers continue to impress, Watson finally turns into a player who can take the top off a defense, and Gluten has a good problem(s) in a couple of years.

First things first. They played just as horribly in the first half of the 2023 season as they played exceptionally in the second half and the playoffs. Now I think the team as a whole is the real deal. Some players will step up in that crowd. Should be fun to watch.
 

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The problem is Watson. By now he should be the clear #1 WR. He's not even in the conversation because he can't stay on the field. This is a "prove it" year for him.

It's a deep draft for WRs. If someone with Watson's physical attributes (6'4", 220 lbs, ideally around 6.4 in the 40) it would be tempting to take that guy. I have no idea if there is someone like that available on day 2. I think they clearly have other priorities, but who knows?

Correction 3-21: I meant 4.4 in the 40. Thanks Pike!
Here is a good article on Christian Watson dealing with his hamstring issues, and his off season trying to diagnose and correct moving forward.

 
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Here is a good article on Christian Watson dealing with his hamstring issues, and his off season trying to diagnose and correct moving forward.

Encouraging news but you want to know my favorite thing about that article? It is the first article I've read that simply refers to it as X. Every single article I have ever read says X (formerly known as Twitter) or something to that effect. What the heck was the point of changing the name if everyone is going to still refer to it by its old name. When Prince changed his name to that symbol everyone refered to him, speaking and writing, as "the artist formerly known as Prince". That was fine because no one could pronounce the symbol and no keyboard had it so they had to say "the artist formerly known as Prince. This is different. They changed the name to X. Everyone can pronounce X and every keyboard has it so lets lose the stupid (formerly known as Twitter) crap.
 

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Here is a good article on Christian Watson dealing with his hamstring issues, and his off season trying to diagnose and correct moving forward.

The "father" in question there used to be Tim Lewis, a Packer safety for a few minutes back in the 80s. He wasn't a very good player, but he's a very smart man. Very, very insightful about football and the way the NFL works.

He seems to kinda like to run his mouth a bit and take center stage, but he really seems to always be well-informed. I've heard him on some podcasts, and always been impressed by his insights (when he gets past the "me-myself-and-I" stuff.) I heard him explain Jeff Hafley's defensive philosophy once in "25 words or less", and it was the best piece I ever heard about what we can expect to see from Hafley next season (in general terms, as an overview).

He does seem to get a lot of enjoyment out of his son's 15 minutes of fame, though.
 

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Here is a good article on Christian Watson dealing with his hamstring issues, and his off season trying to diagnose and correct moving forward.

Thanks D, interesting article. I'm not convinced there is a secret to diagnosing and solving these chronic soft-tissue injuries. The first thing that comes to mind is his stretching routine. But he didn't get this far without a decent stretching routine.

Then again it's amazing what a good trainer/PT can discover by working closely with someone. It could be something like scar tissue. This can sometimes be treated with a very aggressive massage under anesthesia. Given his speed and what have to be very strong, lean hamstrings, maybe he just needs regular deep tissue massage.

I don't think it's about route running. That would be very hard to control. Who knows? It just needs to get a lot better.
 

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His father played for the Packers, but his name was Tim Watson, not Tim Lewis.
Oh mygosh, yeah... how did I get those two mixed up... well, damn it, he should never have canged his name. Wouldn't have been any confusion then!
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You’ve got Jacobs and AJ you can afford yo bring in a value pick rookie. Wilson shows me nothing although i cant say I studied him during the season.But in the playoffs I saw handing him the ball as a wasted play
 

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You’ve got Jacobs and AJ you can afford yo bring in a value pick rookie. Wilson shows me nothing although i cant say I studied him during the season.But in the playoffs I saw handing him the ball as a wasted play
The times I saw Wilson play, he had no vision and so wasn't able to make any moves. Unimpressed.

Jacobs should be able to stay on field a lot longer than Jones. That means less Dillon. In the meantime, the Packers need to draft whoever will be the true #2 back going forward.

And maybe Dillon will have a bounce back year. Solidify the O line and open some gaps and Dillon can play well.
 

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I read an article today that speculated that depending what GB does in the draft that Dillons contract makes him both a trade or cut candidate.
 

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I read an article today that speculated that depending what GB does in the draft that Dillons contract makes him both a trade or cut candidate.
The contract is so minimal, that cutting him wouldn't be anything substantial financially.
 
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With Jacobs in his first year of his 4 year contract, I'd prefer they look for RB's later unless one is hanging around that can also return punts. I don't think Allen fits this team particularly well. He would be a 2 year backup here in my opinion.
Isn't Jacobs contract a 3 year deal? 3 for 38 or something. 12.5/yr if my memory is still working....
Also the deal didn't have much guaranteed. So if he looks like 2024 instead of 2022. Then GB might not go all 3 years. Never know.

My concern is we don't have a stud #2 behind him. Unless our current guys take a good step up..
Which I'm not willing to bank the season on..

Anyways. :)
 
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Probably a wise move to take a WR anyway, if for no other reason that we don't want our entire receiver corps coming up for contract renewals in the same 14-15 month period. It'd be nice to stagger the years of service a bit, spread it out some.

Because when these kids all hit 2025-26, we're going to have some tough decisions to make, and we can't possibly keep them all. I'd like to have some buffer on the roster.
I think that's a very similar argument to be made a RB as well.
 
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Another RB who I think might have been flying under the radar a bit is Tyrone Tracy Jr (until the Combine anyway). He put up one of the top RAS scores by a RB.
His drawback is he is a little bit older at 24yrs, but he has pretty low mileage. He switched from Iowa to Purdue and then converted to RB. He does NOT have a lot of bulky stats, but what he does have is what I’d call near elite efficiency.
He was a KR specialist and led Purdue in TD (9) between RB and KR. He reminds me of the turbo version of Jamaal Williams, but he’s 1”” shorter and a couple pounds lighter, but much more explosive and faster.

Tyrone is just a stud athlete and relatively elusive if given any daylight. Had he been at RB for 2-3 seasons I think he’s a top ~100 area prospect. Just my opinion. His school change and position change kept him below radar, but his 6.5 yds/carry in the Big10 is anything but below radar. Several Scouting reports have all but dismissed him as a RB, which is actually where he excels the most (along with KR). I’d be good with him at #169 overall and elated at #202 or beyond.
 
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Isn't Jacobs contract a 3 year deal? 3 for 38 or something. 12.5/yr if my memory is still working....
Also the deal didn't have much guaranteed. So if he looks like 2024 instead of 2022. Then GB might not go all 3 years. Never know.

My concern is we don't have a stud #2 behind him. Unless our current guys take a good step up..
Which I'm not willing to bank the season on..

Anyways. :)
Agreed. They didn't have a true #2 back last year, and so paid for it when Jones was out. That said, it was a good opportunity for any back not named Dillon to step up, and none did.

Leads me to believe they may take a RB early in the draft if there is value, and then again in the 5th or 6th rounds. I don't think the #2 guy is on the roster.

And you're right about Jacobs' contract. It is very team friendly. If he stays healthy and produces, he'll see most if not all of the four years. I'm ok with that.
 

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The contract is so minimal, that cutting him wouldn't be anything substantial financially.
It had nothing to do with savings. Their point was that their lack of investment in him meant he was not a lock to make the 53.
 
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It had nothing to do with savings. Their point was that their lack of investment in him meant he was not a lock to make the 53.
I also wonder with lower tier salaried guys if just getting on a Roster in the meantime becomes paramount. They get Increased long term benefits for each accrued season they are vested. They need only be rostered for 3 games per season to add a vested year

Dillon has met 2 key vestment thresholds (3yrs/4yrs) but benefits increase with each accrued season. He needs to be Rostered for 3 games to accrue his 5th season. While that might sound trivial, players begin being awarded benefits now and others kick in with age. Their pension kicks in at 55yrs old.

These guys also often participate in dollar for dollar Profit sharing matching and health benefits start much sooner. A 15% dollar for dollar match off salary is about $75K annually if he makes and stays on a roster.. and it’s compounding.
At 15% return that profit sharing doubled every 5 years forward. Just 2 years paid in now could reasonably be $400K in 7 years, extrapolated
$1-1.5Mil in 12 years,
$3-4Mil in 17 years. You probably get my drift it’s exponential.

It’s similarly really smart to maximize your vested seasons because his pension will eventually be factored by that.
That might mean taking $500K or even $1Mil or so less salary now, but could exponentially increase a players long term benefits in the hundreds of thousands over 30+ years of retirement. This doesn’t even take into account if that prove it deal gets you another 2yr deal somewhere etc. Suddenly his Quadzilla Sole Proprietorship is Godzilla size in side investments.
 
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It had nothing to do with savings. Their point was that their lack of investment in him meant he was not a lock to make the 53.
Correct, I agreed with your post, and is why I posted what I did. The contract details, in essence point that out. 1 year minimum deal with incentives to make more $$. If he gets beat out, or another team wants him, the financial aspect is nothing to part ways.
 

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Grab the the kid (Braelon Allen) out of Wisconsin.

He has potential and pedigree. Don't get cute.

This is the NFC North, and you need a well rounded RB corp for the elements come November, December, and January.

Allen has the size of Dillon and the playmaking of Jacobs.

Add Allen to the bunch, and Dillon is the goal line and short yardage back, capable of filling in due to injuries.
 

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I offer for your consideration Blake Watson, of the Memphis Tigers.

Excellent but undersized WR in high school who switched to RB in college on account of shortness (5'9"), has fantastic hands and ran a 4.3 40 at the Memphis Pro Day (which the Packers attended). 1151 yards and 14 TDs rushing last season, and 463 yards receiving and 3 TDs. He averaged 5.9 yards per carry, with 2 fumbles on 177 carries.

Over the last 2 seasons, he's been targeted 105 times coming out of the backfield, and has four drops - four out of 105 targets. He also tore off 557 yards after the catch the last two years. He's not just a dump-off safety valve, he is a legitimate route-runner. And he plays excellent in traffic; finds his opening, high-points the ball, and comes away with the contested balls. His ball-awareness, agrresiveness, and self-confidence let him play inches taller than his 5'9".

Of his 1151 rushing yards, 719 of them came after contact. He's not a big man, or particularly physically strong, but at the college level he's very difficult to tackle - 50 broken tackles in 2023. He's slippery and elusive; has tremendous initial burst and accelerates to top speed in a single stride. Doesn't lose any speed coming out of a lateral step and heading downfield. Misjudge your angle by even a fraction, and you won't get another shot at him because all you can see of him is his name on the back of his jersey.

Has tremendous vision and football intelligence; he spots his hole while it's still developing and by the time it opens he's at top speed. He rockets through the crease like he was fired out of a rifle. He also averaged 26.4 yards on kickoff returns in his junior year.

Like I say, he's not the incredible hulk - 5'9" and 189 pounds - so he'll never be an every-down 30-carry workhorse, or even 3rd down back because of his size. He's not the guy you want as the last resort to stop a blitzing 250-pound linebacker, but he's a perfect mid- to later-round change of pace RB. At the NFL level, he won't bust through as many tackles as he did in college, because the players are much stronger and practice far better technique. And that does take away a siginificant part of his game. I've watched a lot of film on him, and to be honest, a lot of those busted tackles have a lot do with just the level of competition.

But aside from that, once he gets into space, he's a legitimate threat to go home every time he touches the ball. He's probably the most exciting RB in the open field I've seen all year; he seems gifted at "selling" a move and setting up a defender, and then a split seond later he's just.... someplace else. Excellent instinctive runner. Of course it should be noted that this is at the college level - he won't outrun as many defensive backs in the NFL, or muscle his way past them. His size and lean frame will make it more difficult for him to transition his strengths to the NFL level than a lot of other running backs.

And at the NFL level, he won't find as much open space once he gets loose in the secondary - NFL defenses will be much less likely to give him so much running room unless Lafleur can find ways to scheme them out of position; but I suspect Lafleur will have some ideas to make his skillset successful. He seems like the kind of player that Green Bay can afford to look at now that we have Jacobs - a Day Two feature back is no longer as high of a priority as it might have been; we can go Day Three and consider an RB like Watson.

And a smart and very unselifsh player as well - on the final play of the East-West Shrine Game last month, he took a handoff, blew through the line of scrimmage, made two nen miss in the secondary, and then (with nothing but daylight in front of him) took a knee at the 12 instead of running it in for an easy touchdown. To run out the clock. He had more yards receiving than rushing that day too.

If he's still there in the 4th or possibly even the 3rd, I would be very excited if we snatched him up. Just watch some of these runs...

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I actually don't want Allen. I think he will be another Dillon or Ron Dayne.
I'm not crazy about taking Allen either. He's a lot closer to a FB than RB, and that's what Dillon already does. IMO Gluten should start looking now for the guy who will eventually replace Jacobs, whether that's one, two, or more years. He'll get playing time and it will give them a chance to rest Jacobs. It's also injury insurance.

I expect two RBs will be taken, one early, one later.
 
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