Dillon.......keeping defenses honest.

[Deleted member 6794]

I think the decision to pursue keeping the band together hinges on how well this playoff season goes. If they go all the way, they pull out all the stops and do whatever they can to keep it rolling.

It's possible the Packers decide to start a rebuild after achieving the ultimate goal of winning the Super Bowl as well.

It will be interesting to see.

 

[realitybytez]

But yeah I stand by that, theres no way Rodgers is in GB without Adams.

nailed it.

 

[tynimiller]

nailed it.

It made my sig for the record sake LOL

 

[tynimiller]

I'm just gonna slide this into my signature for now so I don't forget. I happen to fall in the other camp, if Rodgers is here in 2022 it will be without Adams - unless somehow under God's shining sun we find the money to franchise tag him, which I also find nearly as impossible. I'm about 95% sure we will not have both here in 2022.

Basking in the glow of that sun....LOL we had found the money though it seems LOL so I cannot claim to be entirely correct.

 

[Heyjoe4]

Basking in the glow of that sun....LOL we had found the money though it seems LOL so I cannot claim to be entirely correct.

That was a good call. I bet about 95% of the commenters here had it the other way, Rodgers and Adams stay together. I gotta give Adams credit. He kept quiet and just played at another level. He knew before the last season started it would be his last in GB, and so did Rodgers.

What was surprising was that the Packers were willing to match or exceed the Raiders' offer. It's beyond reason to believe two guys can play for the same team and account for about $80 mil in cap. Just doesn't add up. Anyway, good call Ty. I was with thequick12.

 

[thequick12]

nailed it.

Yep haha...i didnt consider that Adams might not like Rodgers that much

 

[tynimiller]

Honestly I think Adams not liking Rodgers is getting overblown but I think he (Rodgers) may have been growing old on Adams…tiring perhaps. Rodgers isn’t the easiest personality for some and perhaps wanting to know year in and out who would be throwing the ball to you while you hit the homestretch of building your HOF resume is very valuable to him I bet….fact he can go “home” and play with his close friend from college in Carr is special bonus. Which FTR Carr as a man is one of my favorite QBs in the league, man is good people.

 

[Voyageur]

Each player, like every person, has their own ego. Imagine going into every game - as good as Adams is - and hearing that the reason he looks so good is Aaron Rodgers? Obviously, he's going to look forward to the point where he can prove to the world, that he's as good as it appears, because of what he brings to the table, not because Rodgers makes it happen.

It happens in all walks of life. Nobody wants to walk in someone else's shadow.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Each player, like every person, has their own ego. Imagine going into every game - as good as Adams is - and hearing that the reason he looks so good is Aaron Rodgers? Obviously, he's going to look forward to the point where he can prove to the world, that he's as good as it appears, because of what he brings to the table, not because Rodgers makes it happen.

It happens in all walks of life. Nobody wants to walk in someone else's shadow.

Spot on.

I have seen some Packer fans immediately call out Gute on this situation. Stating that Davante wanting out is just another sign that Gute is a bad GM. So I would have to ask, what is a GM supposed to do in a situation where a player wants out? Bend over and give him everything he demands, even if it isn't good for the team? Seems like Gute went almost that far, by reportedly offering him more money than the Raiders. Yet, Davante still wanted out. I know some people will forever blame Gute for Davante leaving, but some might say that Gute made the best out of the situation that he could, by getting 2 decent draft picks for a guy that wanted out of Green Bay.

 

[thequick12]

Spot on.

I have seen some Packer fans immediately call out Gute on this situation. Stating that Davante wanting out is just another sign that Gute is a bad GM. So I would have to ask, what is a GM supposed to do in a situation where a player wants out? Bend over and give him everything he demands, even if it isn't good for the team? Seems like Gute went almost that far, by reportedly offering him more money than the Raiders. Yet, Davante still wanted out. I know some people will forever blame Gute for Davante leaving, but some might say that Gute made the best out of the situation that he could, by getting 2 decent draft picks for a guy that wanted out of Green Bay.

I agree with what you're saying for the most part...except from what Ive heard the Packers only recently offered Adams that money. Had they offered him the 28 m per offer prior to last season or even during last season, does he sign it?

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

I agree with what you're saying for the most part...except from what Ive heard the Packers only recently offered Adams that money. Had they offered him the 28 m per offer prior to last season or even during last season, does he sign it?

How long ago did the Raiders offer him that money? If Davante made his decision based solely on money, he would have stayed in GB, since they reportedly offered him more of it. If Davante decided he wasn't going to stay in GB this fall, because they weren't offering him enough, then he really doesn't understand the process of contract negotiations. We may never know what the Packers tried to do with Davante and vice versa, but when Davante posted his "The Last Dance" on Instagram in July, I think he was leaning towards leaving.

 

[Voyageur]

How long ago did the Raiders offer him that money? If Davante made his decision based solely on money, he would have stayed in GB, since they reportedly offered him more of it. If Davante decided he wasn't going to stay in GB this fall, because they weren't offering him enough, then he really doesn't understand the process of contract negotiations. We may never know what the Packers tried to do with Davante and vice versa, but when Davante posted his "The Last Dance" on Instagram in July, I think he was leaning towards leaving.

I still believe that a lot of the decision on Adams part had to do with walking in Rodgers' shadow. Egos are fragile. Especially at that level.

 

[longtimefan]

Yep haha...i didnt consider that Adams might not like Rodgers that much

Or likes Vegas and Carr more

Has anyone seen any pics of them 2 off the field?

Many of cobb and rodgers. Or david and rodgers.

But Adams and Rodgers?

 

[tynimiller]

Or likes Vegas and Carr more

Has anyone seen any pics of them 2 off the field?

Many of cobb and rodgers. Or david and rodgers.

But Adams and Rodgers?

They did not hang out off field a ton.

 

[longtimefan]

I agree with what you're saying for the most part...except from what Ive heard the Packers only recently offered Adams that money. Had they offered him the 28 m per offer prior to last season or even during last season, does he sign it?

Last year Adams said he wanted to be top paid wr... And wouldnt take a discount if Rodgers returned.

They were talking, but no deal was done. so one could assume they never offered top money..but maybe was just a little under top? Maybe by 2 mill

We will never know.

BTW no state tax in Vegas save him close to 2 mill per year.. Thats A LOT

 

[longtimefan]

They did not hang out off field a ton.

Exactly.

So was it more just "working friendship"

 

[Voyageur]

Exactly.

So was it more just "working friendship"

This is common. Work friendships. When away from work, not even close to being friends. Nothing in common. They may hang out on a night now and then before games, but that's pretty much to insure they're in tune with each other on game day, nothing more.

We all have "work friends" when you think about it.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Has anyone seen any pics of them 2 off the field?

Several....

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[thequick12]

How long ago did the Raiders offer him that money? If Davante made his decision based solely on money, he would have stayed in GB, since they reportedly offered him more of it. If Davante decided he wasn't going to stay in GB this fall, because they weren't offering him enough, then he really doesn't understand the process of contract negotiations. We may never know what the Packers tried to do with Davante and vice versa, but when Davante posted his "The Last Dance" on Instagram in July, I think he was leaning towards leaving.

Youre probably right he may have been foreshadowing his own departure with that post...im saying it was perhaps becas he felt disrespected by the Packers. Who likely started negotiations with their ussual low balling.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Youre probably right he may have been foreshadowing his own departure with that post...im saying it was perhaps becas he felt disrespected by the Packers. Who likely started negotiations with their ussual low balling.

Yet, the reports are that they offered him more than the Raiders and he still wanted out.

You and a few other posters seem to immediately want to blame management on issues that crop up. I am not saying that they are are blameless, but let's gather some facts before immediately blaming the management.

 

[Magooch]

Yet, the reports are that they offered him more than the Raiders and he still wanted out.

You and a few other posters seem to immediately want to blame management on issues that crop up. I am not saying that they are are blameless, but let's gather some facts before immediately blaming the management.

It's probably also a matter of *when* they offered more than the Raiders.

If they came right out with an offer that was better than Vegas' incoming future offer (which, of course, had yet to be made at that point) that's one thing...
But if they initially came in with a lower offer, heard what Vegas was offering, and *then* offered to meet or exceed that amount, that's another thing.

Of course I can't say which one happened but if it was the latter I think a person could justifiably feel a bit disrespected by that.

(I should add that I am generally in favor of letting Davante leave at that price, but just looking at both sides I guess.)

 

[OldSchool101]

I would say he is actually bigger than some of the trendy ILBs these days. It may be an interesting dilemma for teams like the bears to have a ILB Smith who is 20+ lbs lighter than Dillon.

Youre probably right he may have been foreshadowing his own departure with that post...im saying it was perhaps becas he felt disrespected by the Packers. Who likely started negotiations with their ussual low balling.

Yes. In a few cases you can get away with that lowballing. With players that don’t have high demand etc..
IMO it backfires on players as their relative demand increases. Generally $$ and pride follow suit. It has over 3000+ years. The more we attain the more we focus and are enslaved to it.

Regarding Dillon. We need to go get 1 more OL upgrade that has a mean streak. Add to that, if we can get both Dillon and Jones running behind a healthy OL we will see dramatic improvement in our rushing attack

 

[thequick12]

I still believe that a lot of the decision on Adams part had to do with walking in Rodgers' shadow. Egos are fragile. Especially at that level.

Im pretty sure Adams knows hes in the same class as a wr as Rodgers is as a qb. I think the ego thing comes into it more...when the player has an expectation of his worth and the FO expresses a vastly different expectation of the players value. Thats the kind of thing that can lead to a player starting to think...hmm maybe it would be nice to live life somewhere else, maybe reunite with an old friend. And in my eyes its the job of the FO to keep those thoughts out of players minds as much as they can but certainly dont be the catalyst

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

It's probably also a matter of *when* they offered more than the Raiders.

If they came right out with an offer that was better than Vegas' incoming future offer (which, of course, had yet to be made at that point) that's one thing...
But if they initially came in with a lower offer, heard what Vegas was offering, and *then* offered to meet or exceed that amount, that's another thing.

Again, I think this is a blinders look at the full process of how a widely sought after player is approached before he officially would become a Free agent. If it wasn't just about the money, then it wouldn't matter what or when the Packers made offers. A good agent is going to know his clients value to other teams. He may talk to other GM's or depending on tampering rules, "get the word out" that his client might be hitting the trade market. In this case Davante's agent knew that the Raiders were his clients top choice. So guessing his agent probably found out from Mayock, who was the Raiders GM until he was fired on 1/17/22, what Davante might be worth to them. If nothing else, when the time came to reopen negotiations, he would have some numbers that other teams would pay. Mayock's firing might have slowed up or forced a restart of the process once Dave Ziegler was hired as the new GM on 1/30/22.

For all we know, Davante's mind to become a Raider was made up last summer. Maybe it was he/his agent that said to the Packers "Give us your offer and when we can legally shop Davante, we will get back to you." In that case, I doubt the Packers gave their top dollar offer, but they also probably didn't say "We are sticking to $23M/year or tagging him." As a matter of fact, it appears whether they told Davante or not, they were willing to top the Raiders offer.