Carroll to switch to safety?

[bozz_2006]

i know teddy didn't draft him, but they were pretty high on him last year, even though he killed us a bunch of times. you could be right though, maybe he was more sherman's baby. but i still think the organization has pretty high expectations for him, and they'll hang on to him until the bitter end, if it comes to that.

 

[porky88]

i know teddy didn't draft him, but they were pretty high on him last year, even though he killed us a bunch of times. you could be right though, maybe he was more sherman's baby. but i still think the organization has pretty high expectations for him, and they'll hang on to him until the bitter end, if it comes to that.

I disagree. You said it in your sentence. Sherman was high on him... and it was Sherman's call. If Green Bay felt Carroll could of gotten it done they wouldn't of went out and got Woodson. If Carroll doesn't perform well this year I think he's as good as gone. In fact Joey Thomas went into training camp as the starter last year but got hurt and didn't see any reps so Carroll won the job by default.

 

[bozz_2006]

you win.

 

[warhawk]

Carroll as a gas station attendant might be a better fit.

You crack me up.
I will agree to disagree with you on Manuel however. The Seattle staff said that when he stepped in for their injured safety his play helped them through the rest of the season and into the playoffs. Something like seven or eight games. They felt he really came up big for them.

If he played at a high level for that many games it's more than can be said for Roman.

 

[tromadz]

and its gonna take a bit to fix shermans mess.

we still have carroll

as well as KGbs outrageous contract.

not an overnight fix, but a step in the right direction i hope.

You guys crack me up. Still buying time for TT? Everyone was thrilled when we basically matched Philly's offer to steal KGB from us. Andy Reid's a genius but Sherman signed him to an "outrageous" contract. Carroll will have a long career in the NFL. I hope it is with the Packers.

still buying time for TT?

Um....depack, you do realize it will take years to fix shermans mess, right? Even if TT quit today, right now(which im sure you wish he did, for some reason), it would still take another probably 2 years, to get going NO MATTER WHO THE GM IS. It is better than when sherman left(which should um, i dunno, make you happy) but it is not 100% ideal by any means. Carroll around, KGBs contract, etc.

 

[tromadz]

Carroll as a gas station attendant might be a better fit.

You crack me up.
I will agree to disagree with you on Manuel however. The Seattle staff said that when he stepped in for their injured safety his play helped them through the rest of the season and into the playoffs. Something like seven or eight games. They felt he really came up big for them.

If he played at a high level for that many games it's more than can be said for Roman.

Well Manuel is already a step up from Roman, because Manuel reportedly can TACKLE. Although Roman had a lot of tackles recorded, he had a hell of a lot missed as well, and a lot were in the red zone, and it killed us. Im hopeful for Manuel, I WILL be rooting for him, but I will not say hes a great or even good safety yet. But TT\Coach Sanders know things about him we dont (TT drafted him, Sanders coached him in college) so...lets hope they're right.

 

[CaliforniaCheez]

Some of you are making the correct point.

Selecting Carrol was the problem. He was selected too early in the draft due to the McKenzie situation when McKenzie got upset over the hiring of Schottenheimer(I think McKenzie was right but handled it incorrectly).

Manuel did not beat out Roman during the 2 years they wear in Cincinatti. Manuel has never been a starter except late in the year due to the nightclub incident in Seattle. Manuel's signing is a lot like San Diego signing Bwoh Jue last year(overpaying).

I think Roman is the starter but the message has been delivered. Unfortunately when players notice what Manuel gets paid they will want more.

Slowly the mistakes of Sherman's drafts are being corrected. I did not think Thompson had the right free agents to choose from or the willingness to pay that kind of money to replace Carroll. I really am pleased even though it's expensive.

As I've said several times here the Packers cannot win a Super Bowl with Carrol starting. I have higher hopes for the season now.

You know Collins will be better this year.

 

[SuperRat]

Judging Manuel based on being beat out by a veteran when he was a rookie is very stupid. Players get experience and develop. I'm not saying that Manuel is a huge upgrade over Roman, but he is most certainly an upgrade. He wasn't a starter at Seattle because they had very good starters, but he showed he can step things up when he is needed. I will be very suprised if Roman beats out Manuel for the starting job. Carrol isn't that bad either. I agree he shouldn't be starting but he is still very young and has shown flashes of greatness and with some coaching he can hopefully eventually be a starter.

 

[pyledriver80]

Judging Manuel based on being beat out by a veteran when he was a rookie is very stupid. Players get experience and develop. I'm not saying that Manuel is a huge upgrade over Roman, but he is most certainly an upgrade. He wasn't a starter at Seattle because they had very good starters, but he showed he can step things up when he is needed. I will be very suprised if Roman beats out Manuel for the starting job. Carrol isn't that bad either. I agree he shouldn't be starting but he is still very young and has shown flashes of greatness and with some coaching he can hopefully eventually be a starter.

Yeah that comparison is bogus. I fell Manuel will florish this year

 

[porky88]

Judging Manuel based on being beat out by a veteran when he was a rookie is very stupid. Players get experience and develop. I'm not saying that Manuel is a huge upgrade over Roman, but he is most certainly an upgrade. He wasn't a starter at Seattle because they had very good starters, but he showed he can step things up when he is needed. I will be very suprised if Roman beats out Manuel for the starting job. Carrol isn't that bad either. I agree he shouldn't be starting but he is still very young and has shown flashes of greatness and with some coaching he can hopefully eventually be a starter.

Manuel is an upgrade over Roman in the run game but a down grade to Roman in the pass game.

 

[SuperRat]

Yeah, I expect both to get playing time, there are several teams that have a run stopping specialist safety and a coverage guy that they alternate on running and passing downs. I think Manuel is at an age that he has more upside and chance to improve, but Roman can still be a key player to stopping the pass.

 

[tromadz]

i dont think manuels pass defense is bad enough to where he'll share time with roman.

thats not how players improve, by not letting them play and get a chance to improve.

with all the camps\practices\preseason games...

he should improve a bit as a pass defender. Thats assuming he doesnt have the nonexistent progression pattern like Ahmad Carroll. Im assuming Manuel is coachable.

 

[CaliforniaCheez]

Manuel was a 6th round pick who never started until last year do to injuries of others. Roman was a high 2nd round pick and a good value free agent pick up after his rookie contract was up.

Hey, I hope he succeeds but he has to earn it.
I am keeping my expectations low. I would rather be pleased than disappointed.

The Packers have some good roster marginal talent in Thornberg and Dendy who will likely get signed elsewhere proving that the DB portion of the roster has been upgraded.

 

[tromadz]

im gonna give him the chance i give with everyone.

Solid until proven ******.

 

[Zero2Cool]

Manuel was a 6th round pick who never started until last year do to injuries of others. Roman was a high 2nd round pick and a good value free agent pick up after his rookie contract was up.

Hey, I hope he succeeds but he has to earn it.
I am keeping my expectations low. I would rather be pleased than disappointed.

The Packers have some good roster marginal talent in Thornberg and Dendy who will likely get signed elsewhere proving that the DB portion of the roster has been upgraded.

Brett didn't start either until Majik got injured. That line holds water like a strainer