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Cheesehead
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Why was the second half so different than the first half?
Saints made adjustment at 1/2 time that kept our offense from running and we could pass the ball.
Why was the second half so different than the first half?
This is how I feel..
Wish the knee jerk reactions would stop..
Wonder how many here have been in similar situations and were successfully right away..
Maybe hanging drywall.. Changing a tire, building Web page..
We probably all have struggled at something for 1st few times..
This is how I feel..
Wish the knee jerk reactions would stop..
Wonder how many here have been in similar situations and were successfully right away..
Maybe hanging drywall.. Changing a tire, building Web page..
We probably all have struggled at something for 1st few times..
I would be more optimistic, but frankly Taysom hill seemed to have more pocket presence in the pre season than Hundley did. I just don't think Hundley has it.I'm not in total disagreement about making knee jerk reactions, but I don't see the comparison.
Playing QB is not hanging drywall, changing a tire or building a webpage. Hundley has presumably been doing this most of his life. He did not just look up a YouTube video on how to play QB on Sunday morning. He has had 2 and a half years of training just in this system.
So I can understand why people aren't optimistic after seeing Sunday's performance that things will be way different in 2 weeks.
I'm not in total disagreement about making knee jerk reactions, but I don't see the comparison.
Playing QB is not hanging drywall, changing a tire or building a webpage. Hundley has presumably been doing this most of his life. He did not just look up a YouTube video on how to play QB on Sunday morning. He has had 2 and a half years of training just in this system.
So I can understand why people aren't optimistic after seeing Sunday's performance that things will be way different in 2 weeks.
You would think after the 4-6 start last season before the epic turn around, people would wait to draw conclusions.
Basic problem is he not very accurate as passer. He passed more in first game. QB rating 36.6 Second game passed less QB rating 36.9 ....... see a pattern forming? I doubt that number getting markedly better after the bye week.He needs to pass more if he is to get some connection to the receivers. Work can be done in bye week and practices, but need a more aggressive passing game. We can't rush our way into playoff's.
When Aaron Rodgers is your quarterback, it's pretty safe to assume that things can turn around anytime.
Given what we've seen so far from Hundley, I'm not so sure that would be such a safe assumption. The two scenarios aren't really comparable.
Isn't that the truth. It would be funny to find all the posts from around this time last year, just to see the tone and feeling. There were a lot of them, MM can't call an offense, MM can't coach. Rodgers needs to be traded while he has value. Hundley is the future, give him his shot, WR's can't get open, etc, etc. It's funny how knowing how something ends, changes one's perspective because there weren't a lot of people giving the Packers a chance of anything this time last year.Safe sure wasn't the forum majority last year. Not even close.
Basic problem is he not very accurate as passer. He passed more in first game. QB rating 36.6 Second game passed less QB rating 36.9 ....... see a pattern forming? I doubt that number getting markedly better after the bye week.
Asking for “way different” will get you nothing but disappointment. For the exact same reasons you argue against him (This isn’t drywall) would say are the same reasons that I argue take more time. Weve become far too anxious a generation and I can see why Mcarthy gets irritable at the notion of replacing Hundley so earlyI'm not in total disagreement about making knee jerk reactions, but I don't see the comparison.
Playing QB is not hanging drywall, changing a tire or building a webpage. Hundley has presumably been doing this most of his life. He did not just look up a YouTube video on how to play QB on Sunday morning. He has had 2 and a half years of training just in this system.
So I can understand why people aren't optimistic after seeing Sunday's performance that things will be way different in 2 weeks.
I agree with your premise... however, I have never believed that Hundley has what it takes to be an NFL QB. Aaron Rodgers going down is no reason for me to change my mind. If Hundley proves me wrong, I will be happy, but I can certainly understand why people may prefer he is replaced before he can prove them right.Asking for “way different” will get you nothing but disappointment. For the exact same reasons you argue against him (This isn’t drywall) would say are the same reasons that I argue take more time. Weve become far too anxious a generation and I can see why Mcarthy gets irritable at the notion of replacing Hundley so early
Why wait? Start now to avoid the rush.If it turns out he stinks, we can rip on Thompson all off season for not getting us a better backup QB
Asking for “way different” will get you nothing but disappointment.
I agree. Although I wouldn't characterize it as smoke and mirrors. I do think that a team built on offense needs a very good QB to win a Super Bowl. Sure a few teams like the Ravens did it with defense, but we all know that is not this team.Some people are talking about Hundley, some are talking about Capers, some include MM in the conversation. The bigger picture and the guy that may actually or should be on the hotseat at the end of the year if Hundley fails and can't guide the Packers to a decent season is Ted Thompson. A team that has legit SB aspirations should not be completely derailed by the loss of one player, even the great Aaron Rodgers. So why did TT build a team with such a weak spot? Why didn't he just keep an eye on the backup QB position and think to himself, "****, if AR goes down, who are we?" Was he misled on the 3 year progress of Hundley? It's not like he hasn't seen this situation before when top players have gone down and inexperienced developmental guys have to step up and they failed.
This is all conjecture, because I still hope Hundley steadily improves and the Packers as a team can right this ship. However, if they don't or even if it takes Hundley 5 or more games to get better and the Packers are out of the playoff hunt, TT has to be brought to the mat on this one and explain how and why the Packers team couldn't win without 1 player. Or has all this previous "success" been done behind smoke and mirrors because of that one player?
I agree. Although I wouldn't characterize it as smoke and mirrors. I do think that a team built on offense needs a very good QB to win a Super Bowl. Sure a few teams like the Ravens did it with defense, but we all know that is not this team.
I suppose, But we have to remember that success is not as simple as saying I plan to succeed. I think most winning teams have had a top tier QB along with good coaching... that is what we have had for many years now. Where I am in complete agreement with you is that Thompson and McCarthy should have anticipated this and had a reliable backup on the roster. I don't expect them to have Russel Wilson as the backup, but they should have at least had somebody that has proven they can complete a few passes lol.I used "smoke and mirrors" to dramatize it a bit.....I admit However, it is something a lot of us have talked about for a long time, just how much AR means to the Packers and how he can cover up for the deficiencies of the rest of the team. Losing him finally gives a chance for our theory to be tested.
If you have a really successful company and that success drops off dramatically because your #1 sales guy leaves, don't you have to look at everyone above him and say "How did you put our company in such a precarious position?"
How, exactly, is the team "built on offense"? Half of the starting defense is 1st round picks, and that doesn't even include our best defensive players this year, which are Daniels, Martinez, and Burnett.I agree. Although I wouldn't characterize it as smoke and mirrors. I do think that a team built on offense needs a very good QB to win a Super Bowl. Sure a few teams like the Ravens did it with defense, but we all know that is not this team.
It seems like a hallmark of TT's teams are that they have a weak spot built in. Like last year, the depth in the secondary was thin and inexperienced. They were one injury away from disaster. This year the OL and pass rush depth was suspect. Right now we're seeing what the backup QB situation looks like. Maybe the problem with having a player as great as Rodgers is that he is so expensive, you have to leave some holes somewhere?A team that has legit SB aspirations should not be completely derailed by the loss of one player, even the great Aaron Rodgers. So why did TT build a team with such a weak spot?
Rodgers isn't even currently being paid market Value so.... no.It seems like a hallmark of TT's teams are that they have a weak spot built in. Like last year, the depth in the secondary was thin and inexperienced. They were one injury away from disaster. This year the OL and pass rush depth was suspect. Right now we're seeing what the backup QB situation looks like. Maybe the problem with having a player as great as Rodgers is that he is so expensive, you have to leave some holes somewhere?