Atlanta studs and duds

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The D did better than I thought they would do with so many starters out injured: CM3, Shields, Randall, & Rollins.
The offense was missing: Cobb & Montgomery (along with previously injured Lacy, Starks & Cook).

Holding Julio Jones under 200 yds. was a WIN by the D (I know he was hurt, but he didn't kill GB).
Holding Devonta Freeman to 58 total yards was a WIN by the D.

The entire injury-depleted Packer team is a Stud this game, as they had a chance to win until the final 7 seconds.
 

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Duds: TT. Where are the RBs? Lacy was averaging over 5 YPC. We should have a good running game regardless of who is back there, but there's nobody to put back there now.
 

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Duds: Officials. These things usually even out but they didn't today. It's not okay when Julio pulls down Gunter by the arm and Gunter gets called for PI simply because Julio is a star and Gunter is not. Datone's roughing call was weak, at best .

Atlanta's offense is good enough, they don't need help.
 

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our top 3 DB's are hurt and we played a good offense. stop complaining about capers.
Yeah, I don't get it why anyone should complain about the D-Fence.
Atlanta's D-Fence wasn't much better.
I think ours was just outplayed and outmatched. They did their best and let them win only by one.
It is a tough and uphill climb for the Pack to get back from this slump that started last season.
Hopefully they will get out of it sooner than later and what I saw today was a different team that could be on their way out of the hole.
 

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A very good effort considering all the injuries.....just ran into a hot QB in Ryan. Rodgers looked the the Rodgers of old. Offense played best game in quite a while. Just a little bit too much for a banged up secondary to handle. Nice to see some involvement with Trevor Davis and Geronimo Allison.
 

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Stud (not mentioned yet) Jacob Schaum. 3 punts for 163 yards. Had Janis not been sleeping, a nice punt would have been downed inside the 5.
 
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Oh, so now Rodgers is a stud? 6.47 yds. per attempt. This was the same ball control passing offense you saw in the previous 3 halves with the same QB doing the same things that generated so much fan and media whining. What was stud-like tonight was stud-like in those previous 3 halves, but nobody seemed to notice then. The single and sole (the redundancy is for emphasis) difference tonight was no turnovers.

Atlanta came out trying to defend the ball control passing game using single high safety, and Rodgers burned them with the throw to Nelson. Then they dropped the safety back and Rodgers moved the ball with the short-to-intermediate throws. Same as last week.

Unfortunately, the defense could not close. On Atlanta's winning score that was a messed up coverage call. They had the slot corner on the RB and an ILB on the slot receiver. Evidently the Packers were concerned about the run with ATL having timeouts left, so they were in nickel not dime. Dix doubled Jones, Burnett took the opposite side slot, no safety in the middle, that's all she wrote.
 

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Oh, so now Rodgers is a stud? 6.47 yds. per attempt. This was the same ball control passing offense you saw in the previous 3 halves with the same QB doing the same things that generated so much fan and media whining. What was stud-like tonight was stud-like in those previous 3 halves, but nobody seemed to notice then. The single and sole (the redundancy is for emphasis) difference tonight was no turnovers.

Atlanta came out trying to defend the ball control passing game using single high safety, and Rodgers burned them with the throw to Nelson. Then they dropped the safety back and Rodgers moved the ball with the short-to-intermediate throws. Same as last week.

Unfortunately, the defense could not close. On Atlanta's winning score that was a messed up coverage call. They had the slot corner on the RB and an ILB on the slot receiver. Evidently the Packers were concerned about the run with ATL having timeouts left, so they were in nickel not dime. Dix doubled Jones, Burnett took the opposite side slot, no safety in the middle, that's all she wrote.


http://www.espn.com/blog/nfcnorth/p...me-packers-d-gives-up-lead-in-loss-to-falcons
 
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I think the expectations of some posters around here are absolutely ridiculous. I'm not using injuries as an excuse but it was pretty obvious entering the game that it will be extremely tough for the Packers defense to contain the highest scoring offense in the league yet a lot of fans criticize Capers for the unit struggling against the Falcons.
 

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I think the expectations of some posters around here are absolutely ridiculous. I'm not using injuries as an excuse but it was pretty obvious entering the game that it will be extremely tough for the Packers defense to contain the highest scoring offense in the league yet a lot of fans criticize Capers for the unit struggling against the Falcons.

I will agree to this. But no way in the world should the middle of the end zone had been left open on that last TD they gave up 1, and 2 they should have used Joe Thomas their Best pass covering lb in that situation vs Jake Ryan who had no chance at staying with Sanu. You can't have those type of personnel blunders in a tight game.
 
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I will agree to this. But no way in the world should the middle of the end zone had been left open on that last TD they gave up 1, and 2 they should have used Joe Thomas their Best pass covering lb in that situation vs Jake Ryan who had no chance at staying with Sanu. You can't have those type of personnel blunders in a tight game.
Yeah, you just don't cover a slot receiver with an ILB. The Packers knew that, so they had a 12th. man covering over the top...the ghost of M.D. Jennings. Like the real thing, the ghost was invisible.
 
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But no way in the world should the middle of the end zone had been left open on that last TD they gave up 1, and 2 they should have used Joe Thomas their Best pass covering lb in that situation vs Jake Ryan who had no chance at staying with Sanu.

I agree that there's absolutely no way Ryan should have end up covering Sanu on that play.
 

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It sounded like from what the broadcasters were saying and what we saw on TV, Julio Jones wasn't at 100% early on. I am wondering if the Packers coaches knew this? It reminded me of the Seattle game when Sherman was basically playing with 1 arm and the Packers failed to exploit it. Did the Packers continue to give Gunter help, help which may not have been needed given Jones's injury status?
 

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Duds. Whoever is blocking me from chat..Wth do I not have access to the chat seriously? I shouldn't have to wait til a dumbe thread is posted to talk about what's happening in the game.

The moderating team looked into this after you mentioned it before. At that time the Mods made sure you had access. According to your account parameters you had full access yesterday. It should have been fine for you this week. Don't forget the format of the forum changed and the shoutbox is now it's own tab. I know I had forgotten and was looking around for it until I remembered it had its own tab.
 

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I have to give credit where credit is due. Stud - Matt Ryan. Dud - I agree with the poster who said "injuries". Another Dud is our depth in my opinion. But with today's salary market, depth may not be an easy thing to accomplish.
 

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I will agree to this. But no way in the world should the middle of the end zone had been left open on that last TD they gave up 1, and 2 they should have used Joe Thomas their Best pass covering lb in that situation vs Jake Ryan who had no chance at staying with Sanu. You can't have those type of personnel blunders in a tight game.

Agreed. We have seen this far too often with the Packers defense, the middle of the field being wide open. Even Matt Ryan found it wide open for a big gainer on the ground. I'm not a big X and O's guys, but where was Dix or Burnett on the TD to Sanu?
 

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I don't know how he did the rest of the game, but I want to Give K. Brice a "stud" just for his stop of ward at the 1. When was the last time we saw a DB stone a running back with a head of steam, dead in his tracks? That was a stud play if there ever was one.
 
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I will agree to this. But no way in the world should the middle of the end zone had been left open on that last TD they gave up 1, and 2 they should have used Joe Thomas their Best pass covering lb in that situation vs Jake Ryan who had no chance at staying with Sanu. You can't have those type of personnel blunders in a tight game.
Other than Jones who was doubled low/high all day, it's pretty clear Caper's chief concern with this call was Freeman. To your point regarding Thomas vs. Ryan, you have to keep in mind it was 1st. and 10, Atlanta having 2 timeouts and plenty of time to run a several plays. Having the standard nickel D on the field to hedge run or pass is hardly a bad decision.

Here's a little more breakdown that puts a little different slant on it:

So, Capers dialed up a 3-stack zone coverage on the defense's right side, with Hyde having underneath zone and (picking up Freeman) with Gunter and Dix low/high on Jones. Check and check.

Burnett was near the hash on the opposite side in position to defend the middle, but when Martinez released the TE Burnett had to go with him to the corner opening the middle. Martinez stayed stuck in the short middle. When the opposite wideout crossed short, Goodson went with him. It looked like Goodson had man on that side...he stayed with him all the way from press to the throw.

Martinez and Goodson could have shook hands when the ball was thrown, not a good look.

What was Martinez doing? This wasn't even play action. Spying Ryan? That would not make much sense. Hyde was in short right zone, Ryan was in the middle, Burnett could have kept the high middle position if Ryan went with that 4.70 TE.

If one wants to do woulda, coulda, shoulda, I would say Martinez should have stayed with the TE allowing Burnett to defend the middle high zone. I have not watched Butler's play breakdowns this season. He'll probably go over this play this week. I'll be interested to see what he has to say about it; remind me if I forget. I doubt the Packers will ever specify where the breakdown occurred; they rarely do for good reason.

There's another possibility I might entertain:

We were told at the start of the season that Martinez would be making the defensive calls. I've noticed from week 2 forward that Ryan is doing hand signals and moving guys around. Even on this play, he turns to the right side D backfield and gives a signal.

I don't read much analyst coverage anymore, so if it was reported that the signal calling responsibility was changed, somebody let me know. It not being reported doesn't mean it wasn't, but it would be nice to know if it can be confirmed.

It's possible there was a Ryan-Martinez miscommunication.

But we should keep in mind it was first down, with time and timeouts remaining. I suspect if it had not been this play it would have been one of the next handful.
 
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Second half defense is garbage. These guys can never stop anyone when they need to close out a game and win. This was completely on them.

Honestly it's hard to stop the number one offense with half your team missing. We didn't have Clay and half our secondary was missing. I get the frustration, but we have to have realistic expectations.
 

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Funny thing about that last Atlanta drive, I was saying to myself, "do we let them score so Rodgers has enough time to get us into field goal range. I know, you never want to give up a free TD and we had our chances to stop them, but it sure felt like they were just going to be able to march right down and punch the ball into the endzone and leave our offense very little time.

Again, I wouldn't have let Atlanta score, but I might have used those 2 timeouts differently in anticipation of them scoring.
 
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