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That stinks if true. I wasn't sold on the pick to begin with. Sounded like he was a small reach. We have to get some of these first rounders to be more than just average players. We need to get some all pro studs. I get that it is a bit of a guessing game and you're not going to hit a homerun with every 1st round pick. Seems it's been awhile since we got more than a base hit with our 1st rounders.
I didn't have Morgan on my Bingo card either, but I usually figure Gute knows what he is doing. That said, I agree that Gute needs to hit on more 1st rounders.

At this point I am going to give him an "incomplete" Grade on Morgan, since with his injuries, there is no telling what he can or can't do in the NFL.
 

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That stinks if true. I wasn't sold on the pick to begin with. Sounded like he was a small reach. We have to get some of these first rounders to be more than just average players. We need to get some all pro studs. I get that it is a bit of a guessing game and you're not going to hit a homerun with every 1st round pick. Seems it's been awhile since we got more than a base hit with our 1st rounders.
I've had the same gripe. Getting off on a tangent but I feel like we often have a tendency (at least in the early rounds) to draft with a preference towards "projects" and "potential" rather than finished products (and, admittedly, when you are playing well....there are less "finished products" at your draft position). But it often feels like we would rather pick "higher ceiling, lower floor" over "lower ceiling, higher floor". If given the choice between a guy who is currently a "5/10" player with the *potential* to become a "9/10" player OR a player who is currently a "7/10" player with limited growth potential - maybe an 8/10 - we would choose the 5/10 with 9/10 potential every time. And sometimes it's good to have those projects in the pipeline for sure, but broadly speaking it feels like especially in the first round we're not getting the sort of immediate/early impact that you expect from that kind of draft capital investment.
 

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Packers signed EDGE rusher Jeremiah Martin to the practice squad yesterday.

 

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Packers signed EDGE rusher Jeremiah Martin to the practice squad yesterday.

Why is this "sneaky"? After reading the article I'm not really that impressed. Sounds like they signed a guy who has had a hard time even making practice squads. I guess it got me to read the article.
 

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At this point in the season it seems like just about any addition to the practice squad is puffed up to be "sneaky" or "shrewd" or "clever" or so on. Then you cherry-pick the absolute most favorable stats/anecdotes regarding the player, disregard the fact that they've yet to cement a place on a typical 53 man roster and there you have it.
 

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Why is this "sneaky"? After reading the article I'm not really that impressed. Sounds like they signed a guy who has had a hard time even making practice squads. I guess it got me to read the article.

At this point in the season it seems like just about any addition to the practice squad is puffed up to be "sneaky" or "shrewd" or "clever" or so on. Then you cherry-pick the absolute most favorable stats/anecdotes regarding the player, disregard the fact that they've yet to cement a place on a typical 53 man roster and there you have it.
Agree with you both. I wasn't going to even post the article, but didn't want to get long winded about a PS signing that probably means nothing.

Clickbait articles are the only way that their "authors" get paid.

How many "headlines" have you seen this season that imply that the Packers have, should or on the verge of signing or trading for a great player. Then you open it and not only are the Packers not involved in any such thing, but the "authors" ideas are bad and totally unsupported.

Hell, I just saw one today "Packers MUST Sign Veteran WR Who's Now Available".
Of course I was gullible and clicked on it. How would signing K.J. Osborn help the Packers? The Packers have far more talented WR's on their roster, signing a guy like Osborn doesn't help them. Matter of fact, its a DAMN stupid idea! :coffee:
 
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I didn't have Morgan on my Bingo card either, but I usually figure Gute knows what he is doing. That said, I agree that Gute needs to hit on more 1st rounders.

At this point I am going to give him an "incomplete" Grade on Morgan, since with his injuries, there is no telling what he can or can't do in the NFL.
I did have DeJean in like 33% of all my Mock drafts. There were other options. It is what it is. I hope Jordan Morgan is ok, it’s not a good sign though.
 

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Maybe the Pack need to reevaluate just what a Packer type of OL is. Other than pre-injury Jenkins and Tom I have not been impressed with anyone since Bakh. Pretty much a bunch of JAGs IMO.
 

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I did have DeJean in like 33% of all my Mock drafts. There were other options. It is what it is. I hope Jordan Morgan is ok, it’s not a good sign though.

Your Amish draft you had Kool-Aid ;)

I had DeJean Cooper as my only 1st round pick and Morgan in the 2nd round. I would have been fine with being right on both of those, although I like E. Cooper and Bullard.
 

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DT Jonathan Ford signed to Bears 53 from our PS, today. I've liked the idea of a backup big man to Slaton waiting in the wings, now he may see some snaps.
 
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Your Amish draft you had Kool-Aid ;)

I had DeJean Cooper as my only 1st round pick and Morgan in the 2nd round. I would have been fine with being right on both of those, although I like E. Cooper and Bullard.
I did make a late decision change because I thought DeJean would go before our selection. He’s a great pick and was underestimated.
McKinstry, Koolaid has the coolest name though! Koolaid! Oh yeah!

Calen Bullock was a steal.
 
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DT Jonathan Ford signed to Bears 53 from our PS, today. I've liked the idea of a backup big man to Slaton waiting in the wings, now he may see some snaps.
I'd forgotten about Ford. Seems the Packers did too. I can't even find any stats on him. Did he ever play in a regular season game for the Packers?
 

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Maybe the Pack need to reevaluate just what a Packer type of OL is. Other than pre-injury Jenkins and Tom I have not been impressed with anyone since Bakh. Pretty much a bunch of JAGs IMO.
I don't know. Getting Rasheed Walker for a measly 7th round pick is quite a great OL pick. We'll see about Monk and Glover. Too early to tell. I think you're letting the disappointing 2nd round pick for Josh Myers prejudice your opinion of some of the other guys. Even Sean Ryan is starting to turn out OK. Runyan might have been a JAG but he was a 6th round pick and netted the Packers a comp pick too. Gute has done a far better job of selecting offensive linemen than he has on the defensive side of the line.
 

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The Packers needs for next season are pass rusher, CB and center. Gute can't draft defensive players very well in the first round but he's had great success getting defensive talent in free agency. Do the Packers spend a first round pick on a center? Their pick will be later first round so I don't have a problem with it. I think the priority should be to go after a pass rusher in free agency like he did with Zadarius and then draft several cornerbacks in rounds 2 - 5 hoping you get a big hit on one.
 
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The Packers needs for next season are pass rusher, CB and center. Gute can't draft defensive players very well in the first round but he's had great success getting defensive talent in free agency. Do the Packers spend a first round pick on a center? Their pick will be later first round so I don't have a problem with it. I think the priority should be to go after a pass rusher in free agency like he did with Zadarius and then draft several cornerbacks in rounds 2 - 5 hoping you get a big hit on one.
At CB I think it makes sense to double down. For myself, if I know I’m picking 2X at CB I can bypass Rd1 there snd look to other positions. Now if my top rated guys at our selection are CB then so be it. Ideally I’d like to get 1 CB in FA (it doesn’t need to be a league leading contract guy) and draft a DE in Day 1. Then do your double down at CB by Rd 4-5 at the latest, preferably in Day 2. That gives us 1 known quantity and a mid rounder similar to what we did with Evan Williams and McKinney at Safety.

Here’s a scenario that puts emphasis at CB 2X mixing veteran experience and Rookie potential to turn that Room into a strength. Also replaces Preston Smith with an Day1 pick and layers the WR room with a substantial Weapon to groom if either Doubs or Watson vacate.
Good LB’s can often be found later Day2. We just drafted 3 times at OL, but this brings in a second option at IOL to compete with Monk or backup at Center. Finally rounding out a replacement for a IDL with some Beef +contingency plan at that 3rd TE spot in the event one goes down again.

Free Agency CB (3X45)
Rd1 #31 DE (trade back KC)
Rd2 #61 CB(58/61 trade back)
Rd2 #63 WR
Rd3 #90 LB
RD5#162 OL
RD5#179 DT (Bills)
RD6#202 TE
 
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Maybe the Pack need to reevaluate just what a Packer type of OL is. Other than pre-injury Jenkins and Tom I have not been impressed with anyone since Bakh. Pretty much a bunch of JAGs IMO.
Unfortunately I have to agree. Which is why LaFleur can't just run run run no matter what the stats say. The stats are good because he is using our situation well imho. Jacobs doesn't hurt of course but if the opposing D is looking for it; it will be tough sledding. And we can throw it well.
 

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Maybe the Pack need to reevaluate just what a Packer type of OL is. Other than pre-injury Jenkins and Tom I have not been impressed with anyone since Bakh. Pretty much a bunch of JAGs IMO.

Yet, our offensive line is pretty highly rated, at least by some sources. The site below ranks them at #4 in the NFL.

I agree with you that some of these guys aren't overly impressive, but I think as a whole, it is a pretty consistent unit at a very reasonable cost.

While Bahk was a great LT when healthy, I shouldn't have to remind Packer fans just how much he cost the Packers, whether playing or not.

Here are the average yearly salaries of the current OL starters:

LT: R. Walker: $935,218
LG: E. Jenkins: $17M
C: J. Myers: $1.395M
RG: S. Rhyan: $1.280M
RT: Z. Tom: $1.041M

Grand Total for the Starters: $21.65M (Jenkins accounting for 79% of it)

Bahk was drawing an average salary of: $23M/year


I will take this unit of 5, who have all remained relatively healthy, over a unit of Bahk and 4 others. Heck, I might even make an argument that if you can get the kind of production, for the price that the 4 not named Jenkins gives you, trading Jenkins away might not be a bad move.

 
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Yet, our offensive line is pretty highly rated, at least by some sources. The site below ranks them at #4 in the NFL.

I agree with you that some of these guys aren't overly impressive, I think as a whole, its a pretty consistent unit at a very reasonable cost.

While Bahk was a great LT when healthy, I shouldn't have to remind Packer fans just how much he cost the Packers, whether playing or not.

Here are the average yearly salaries of the current OL starters:

LT: R. Walker: $935,218
LG: E. Jenkins: $17M
C: J. Myers: $1.395M
RG: S. Rhyan: $1.280M
RT: Z. Tom: $1.041M

Grand Total for the Starters: $21.65M (Jenkins accounting for 79% of it)

Bahk was drawing an average salary of: $23M/year


I will take this unit of 5, who have all remained relatively healthy, over Bahk and 4 others.

I think that chart shows the need to continue drafting O line. Especially because I don't want to overpay most of these guys. Tom is going to cost a lot.
 

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I think that chart shows the need to continue drafting O line. Especially because I don't want to overpay most of these guys. Tom is going to cost a lot.

I agree. Same probably can be said at most position groups. I would rather have 5 slightly above average guys on my OL, than 1 Great player and 4 subpar guys, because that is all your budget allows for.

Gute has been able to build a deep team with the money he is saving on the OL and WR groups. That all could come to an end over the next few years, unless as you said, he drafts to fill openings, instead of shelling out huge contracts to 1 player.
 

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I don't know. Getting Rasheed Walker for a measly 7th round pick is quite a great OL pick. We'll see about Monk and Glover. Too early to tell. I think you're letting the disappointing 2nd round pick for Josh Myers prejudice your opinion of some of the other guys. Even Sean Ryan is starting to turn out OK. Runyan might have been a JAG but he was a 6th round pick and netted the Packers a comp pick too. Gute has done a far better job of selecting offensive linemen than he has on the defensive side of the line.
Saying they are good for their draft position doesn't mean they are good nfl lineman. An NFL Offensive line is only as good as its weakest link. Hypothetically, would the Pack be better off if each of the last 5 years drafts they took OL in the draft positions of DL and vice-versa. Maybe it is time to go OL early and get some sleeper type guys for the DL late. Pull the old switcherooo.
 

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At CB I think it makes sense to double down. For myself, if I know I’m picking 2X at CB I can bypass Rd1 there snd look to other positions. Now if my top rated guys at our selection are CB then so be it. Ideally I’d like to get 1 CB in FA (it doesn’t need to be a league leading contract guy) and draft a DE in Day 1. Then do your double down at CB by Rd 4-5 at the latest, preferably in Day 2. That gives us 1 known quantity and a mid rounder similar to what we did with Evan Williams and McKinney at Safety.

Here’s a scenario that puts emphasis at CB 2X mixing veteran experience and Rookie potential to turn that Room into a strength. Also replaces Preston Smith with an Day1 pick and layers the WR room with a substantial Weapon to groom if either Doubs or Watson vacate.
Good LB’s can often be found later Day2. We just drafted 3 times at OL, but this brings in a second option at IOL to compete with Monk or backup at Center. Finally rounding out a replacement for a IDL with some Beef +contingency plan at that 3rd TE spot in the event one goes down again.

Free Agency CB (3X45)
Rd1 #31 DE (trade back KC)
Rd2 #61 CB(58/61 trade back)
Rd2 #63 WR
Rd3 #90 LB
RD5#162 OL
RD5#179 DT (Bills)
RD6#202 TE
Where's the center help? Those selections make some sense but Gute will need to find a center. Even if Jenkins goes to center and Morgan stays at guard, the O line will need to be replenished. I'm not sure that Jenkins is the answer at center any more.
Depending who's available, either a starting caliber pass rusher or cb needs to be the priority in free agency.
 

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Where's the center help? Those selections make some sense but Gute will need to find a center. Even if Jenkins goes to center and Morgan stays at guard, the O line will need to be replenished. I'm not sure that Jenkins is the answer at center any more.
Depending who's available, either a starting caliber pass rusher or cb needs to be the priority in free agency.
Monk may end up being the starting center.

I know some of you don't like Josh Myers, but I honestly hope the Packers resign him, if the money is right. While he isn't a Pro Bowler, nor is he a top 15 center, he shouldn't be paid like one either. The thing that Myers brings to the table is team leadership, availability and honestly, I think he has slowly improved each season. Will he ever be a Hall of Famer? Nah....but for me he is a grinder and a reliable starter/backup.

Fun fact about Josh Myers. His freshman year as OSU, he was the backup center to Michael Jordan, who the Packers just signed to their Practice Squad.

Fun fact about Jacob Monk. Monk learned he had an incredibly rare albeit mild allergy: cold urticaria, which is an allergy to cold water. For Monk, this manifests as breaking out out in hives after being submerged in an ice bath. That must be real pain for a professional athlete, since ice baths are a go to for many of them.
 
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Where's the center help? Those selections make some sense but Gute will need to find a center. Even if Jenkins goes to center and Morgan stays at guard, the O line will need to be replenished. I'm not sure that Jenkins is the answer at center any more.
Depending who's available, either a starting caliber pass rusher or cb needs to be the priority in free agency.

On staff they have two capable guys that have and would play similar level center play to Myers and that is Jenkins and Tom. Monk is also in house with ample center time in college and was a pick we liked for his versatility in the middle.

That gives us three in house but in truth Tom has RT locked down and locked down well why mess with it. To me if Monk doesn't showcase capable Jenkins makes a TON of sense. He's simply not been the all pro elite lineman since his injury, very good but not that elite level. He is elite in his knowledge of the offense and blocking calls - perfect for the center position. This also doesn't pigeon hole Gute into only having to look at center prospects which we all know he hates feeling cornered to a position need...he can target that Tackle type prospect that can swing down and inside or stay outside to replace Tom and or Rasheed who will be in their final contract year. Morgan, Rhyan and Jenkins (his first couple seasons) all were tackle prospects and Runyan before them.
 

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On staff they have two capable guys that have and would play similar level center play to Myers and that is Jenkins and Tom. Monk is also in house with ample center time in college and was a pick we liked for his versatility in the middle.

That gives us three in house but in truth Tom has RT locked down and locked down well why mess with it. To me if Monk doesn't showcase capable Jenkins makes a TON of sense. He's simply not been the all pro elite lineman since his injury, very good but not that elite level. He is elite in his knowledge of the offense and blocking calls - perfect for the center position. This also doesn't pigeon hole Gute into only having to look at center prospects which we all know he hates feeling cornered to a position need...he can target that Tackle type prospect that can swing down and inside or stay outside to replace Tom and or Rasheed who will be in their final contract year. Morgan, Rhyan and Jenkins (his first couple seasons) all were tackle prospects and Runyan before them.
If Jenkins is no longer an elite LG I'd love to slide him to Center & draft an ornery, 335lb mauler OT/OG to oen up holes for Jacobs. Jenkins would need to cleanup his shotgun snaps, though.
 

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I know it's not a fair sample size but Jenkins didn't fare to well filling in for Myers when he was hurt. Even if Jenkins goes to center and Morgan plays guard, the O line will be in need of quality depth. Monk has played poor enough as a rookie to get passed up by Glover so he may not be much more than the 8th or 9th guy. You have to add quality O line talent every year. Gute may need to add both a tackle and interior guy in the next draft.
 
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