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I blame that on McCarthy and Capers and some on Thompson. This is a new team and a new decade. Don't think you will be happy until we have a time machine to do the draft over.


Speaking of Coach Mike, what the heck is that mess in Dallas? It's not like they don't have talent....
 

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they don't have much for defense, sounds familiar. and it's month 1, in year 1 and a very abnormal year at that. Look at our offense year 2 vs 1.
 

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LeFluer had a real off-season, training camp, and pre-season to get ready for Week 1 last year. McCarthy had a bunch of zoom meetings and a shortened camp. He also inherited Dak
whereas LeFluer inherited Aaron Rodgers and Jerry Jones.

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LeFluer had a real off-season, training camp, and pre-season to get ready for Week 1 last year. McCarthy had a bunch of zoom meetings and a shortened camp. He also inherited Dak
and Jerry Jones whereas LeFluer inherited Aaron Rodgers.
 
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Speaking of Coach Mike, what the heck is that mess in Dallas? It's not like they don't have talent....
With that offense and a weak division; I still think they are a team to watch out for. Don't want to be right on that. McCarthy inherited a lot at dallas and I don't think whatever happens there that it is reflection of his time in Green Bay. That is history.
 

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LeFluer had a real off-season, training camp, and pre-season to get ready for Week 1 last year. McCarthy had a bunch of zoom meetings and a shortened camp. He also inherited Dak
whereas LeFluer inherited Aaron Rodgers and Jerry Jones.

1) Dak is a very good QB.

2) Think you got Jerry on the wrong team.
 

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Ehhh. With as long as some arguments last and how many times the same points are regurgitated around here its pretty common to have allready made a post on why they disagree with the point being made and just dont feel like posting a reply because they allready have to other posters/posters so they just hit the disagree button and move on
What I find strange is if I say three or four different things in a post, and someone hits disagree. I might wonder which of the points they disagreed with.
 

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Sanu was released by SF.

GB could at least bring him in for a look. They've brought in 4 or 5 kickers for some reason so why not?
 

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The wide receivers they liked got picked off. 6 came off the board before they picked. The last one that was a likely target at #30 was traded up for (it just so happens by a team that runs a remarkably similar offense, under a coach that knows LaFleur well...).

So they looked at the value on their board and decided to move up and invest in a guy they think can be a future franchise QB. Obviously it doesn't make them better in the moment. But if it pans out, it will have been an amazing value and something that will keep the team in good stead for the next decade plus. You don't have to like it, but the trade off in immediately vs. future value there is pretty easy to understand.

7 more wide receivers came off the board before they picked in the 2nd round. They're on record saying that there were guys they liked and were hoping to see fall and that they looked into a trade up and one didn't materialize. So again, they took a guy they liked at another position who is primarily for the future, not for the now.

Again, you don't have to like the choices, but the way people talk about the draft it's like they think it's a trip to the grocery store where you can just choose whatever you like off the shelf. Players have to be there for you to draft them. Trade ups have to be there for you to take them. Teams can't control what a trade up will cost, and sometimes the price is too steep.

And yeah, it's pretty gratifying to see the offense performing so well when half this board has spent the last five months *****ing about how the draft didn't go how they wanted and the sky was falling because the offense didn't have more weapons.

This offense has a great QB, a great OL, a fantastic WR1, a great backfield, and some decent complementary pieces down the line in the WR corps and at TE. The way some people talk about them, you'd think it was the Jets out there...

Yup, as I said, team is 4-0 so who cares if they could have had more valuable depth at needed positions this year or next.
 

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Funny, I enjoy reading posts that regurgitate the same stuff spouted by ESPN hosts...

Matt LeFluer and Gute are putting together a different team than we are all used to. They are bringing us into the modern NFL whereas McCarthy/Thompson (with all respect) were playing the old game. It is not a coincidence that the Packers top three picks were QB, RB, and TE. Rodgers was degrading. Jones and Williams will be free agents this year. LeFluer is building an offense that isn't centered on Rodgers throwing to a standard WR corps. He is using RBs and TEs creatively to give Rodgers options in addition to the WRs.

The draft was about the future and not today. The Packers are great because they continue to think long term. It frustrates the hell of out Bears and Vikings fans that we consistently have winning teams. I love it and you should learn to love it too.

We disagree on what general manager should focus on when running a great team I guess. I would prefer a focus on winning a Super Bowl, not finding a QB who might be good in 3 years.
 

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Clearly not in agreement with the Thompson/Gutekunst draft philosophy?:cool:

I ‘ll continue with my desperate trust of the judgment of the real experts.:)

Luckily you can ignore results for about 3 years (at best) until Love starts! Honestly, it's a great strategy, I'm rethinking my position.
 

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Luckily you can ignore results for about 3 years (at best) until Love starts! Honestly, it's a great strategy, I'm rethinking my position.
You don’t believe Thompson should have picked Rodgers and should have got another weapon for Favre? I pretty much have low expectations for guys that are rookies. I expect the 2nd, 3rd and 4th year players to be ahead of them on the depth chart.
 

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You don’t believe Thompson should have picked Rodgers and should have got another weapon for Favre? I pretty much have low expectations for guys that are rookies. I expect the 2nd, 3rd and 4th year players to be ahead of them on the depth chart.

Did favre and that team go 13-3? Has Rodgers been threatening to retire for 3 years?
 
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Getting to the SB is really hard.

That's true but nevertheless it's still disappointing the Packers have been to only one Super Bowl since 1997 while having a HOF quarterback starting each season.

Especially considering that 11 other teams have been able to make it to more over that period.
 

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That's true but nevertheless it's still disappointing the Packers have been to only one Super Bowl since 1997 while having a HOF quarterback starting each season.

Especially considering that 11 other teams have been able to make it to more over that period.
Yes but they’ve been to 3 since 1995. I don’t know how many have made it to more over 25 years but it’s less than 11 which puts us in the top third of the league and probably in top fourth. It’s all in how you look at the numbers.
 

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Exactly. Rank the teams that have had back-to-back HOF QBs by SB wins or appearances, and...
 
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Yes but they’ve been to 3 since 1995. I don’t know how many have made it to more over 25 years but it’s less than 11 which puts us in the top third of the league and probably in top fourth. It’s all in how you look at the numbers.

True, in that case there are only three teams with more Super Bowl appearances than the Packers.

I can't think of another team which has had two HOF quarterbacks starting every single one of the last 25 seasons though.
 

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True, in that case there are only three teams with more Super Bowl appearances than the Packers.

I can't think of another team which has had two HOF quarterbacks starting every single one of the last 25 seasons though.


Patriots....I mean Bledsoe is in Patriots HoF.... :D
 

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True, in that case there are only three teams with more Super Bowl appearances than the Packers.

I can't think of another team which has had two HOF quarterbacks starting every single one of the last 25 seasons though.
Wonder how many teams have better W-L percentages than us over those 25 years?
 

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Found this:

Winning Percentages Since 2000 ranked in order
Team Record Winning %
New England Patriots 225-79 .740
Pittsburgh Steelers 197-105-2 .652
Indianapolis Colts 190-114 .625
Green Bay Packers 184-118-2 .609
Philadelphia Eagles 181-122-1 .597
Baltimore Ravens 176-128 .579
Denver Broncos 175-129 .576
Seattle Seahawks 171-132-1 .564
New Orleans Saints 170-134 .560
Dallas Cowboys 160-144 .526
Atlanta Falcons 157-146-1 .518
Los Angeles Chargers 157-147 .516
Minnesota Vikings 155-147-2 .513
Kansas City Chiefs 154-150 .507
New York Giants 154-150 .507
Carolina Panthers 152-151-1 .502
Tennessee Titans 151-153 .497
Chicago Bears 149-155 .490
Cincinnati Bengals 143-158-3 .475
Miami Dolphins 144-160 .473
New York Jets 141-163 .464
Los Angeles Rams 135-168-1 .446
San Francisco 49ers 135-168-1 .446
Houston Texans 121-151 .445
Arizona Cardinals 132-171-1 .436
Tampa Bay Buccaneers 131-173 .431
Washington Redskins 129-174-1 .426
Buffalo Bills 127-177 .418
Jacksonville Jaguars 121-183 .398
Oakland? Raiders 118-186 .388
Detroit Lions 111-193 .365
Cleveland Browns 93-210-1 .307


was posted to reddit a year ago.
 

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And to think...we've done that without a single first round draft pick that was a WR :devilish::cry:
 

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Sanu was released by SF.

GB could at least bring him in for a look. They've brought in 4 or 5 kickers for some reason so why not?


The 49ers are desperate for wideouts, and they couldn't find a spot for Sanu.

I'm guessing he's done.
 

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With that offense and a weak division; I still think they are a team to watch out for. Don't want to be right on that. McCarthy inherited a lot at dallas and I don't think whatever happens there that it is reflection of his time in Green Bay. That is history.

I don't know that he'll get as long of a leash as Garrett did in Dallas.....I think Jerruh is getting a bit antsy if things don't turn around soon.
 

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